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GrenadeJumper85		#41	[-]
Posts: 4688 (05/09/08 7:36 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm sorry Trixi, I wasn't trying to be an asshole to you. I'm just frustrated.
azcanadienne		#42	[-]
Posts: 2354 (05/09/08 7:56 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	about what? the fact that we haven't been handed the winner on a silver platter this season? Congrats EPMB - this group of fans got played too!!!
erickman		#43	[-]
Posts: 19966 (05/09/08 8:03 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	azcanadienne wrote: about what? the fact that we haven't been handed the winner on a silver platter this season? Congrats EPMB - this group of fans got played too!!! i don't know i think we were handed the winner from ep 1 eliza told us. we just did not like it like tdt left us.
shoeless rye		#44	[-]
Posts: 5003 (05/09/08 8:03 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A F3 is easy enough to remedy as you have the finalist receiving the one vote (in the 3-3-1 tie scenario) removed and then have a re-vote. If you have a F2 with eight jurors, if you get a 4-4 tie there is no remedy if all votes are entrenched. Now if you assume F2 was planned, and accept that they had the jury start at F10 to hide his fact, because starting the jury at F9 would have tipped everybody off, there needs to be a in-game tie situation remedy. There has to be a vote negator somewhere/somehow - an F2 reward challenge? Or the F3 reward with the scenario that should the holder be voted out at F3 tribal, they give it to one of the finalists (not knowing what they are giving as it is to be opened at the final tribal). Now Parvati would easily use it to negate Ozzy's vote - and maybe Ozzy's over the top vitriol comes back to bite him with this. It would be trickier with Amanda, but it would depend on if you need to eliminate a vote before or after the juror questions.
starrlet00		#45	[-]
Posts: 7 (05/09/08 8:18 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just saw a comercial which said that "Don't miss 3 Tribal Councils" among other things. So I would assume that means there is a final 2 just like many are reporting.
Jedijake		#46	[-]
Posts: 5139 (05/09/08 8:21 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with Sunsawed that Parvati does not have a leg to stand on for a win against anyone other than Natalie. Even then it's still close. The producers have been playing the edits carefully. Parvati needs a Clay, Matt, Twila, or Katie to win. She has none of those. They've held out on Cirie, editing her carefully by showing us every move but also not putting her in the driver's seat since the merge. She's a mix of Chris, Sandra, Earl, and a little bit of Vee. The winning emphasis is on Parvati or Amanda. Then WHY show us as much of Cirie's strategy as they have and not even mention her possibly being voted out? Here's what I see happening. FINAL 4: Amanda wins the final 4 reward AND immunity hands-down. Natalie is voted off. The talk is to get rid of Cirie. Cirie pulls out another play and turns things against Natalie. Boot: Natalie FINAL 3: Surprise! All the talk of who is going to the final 3 suddenly makes the final 3 jaws drop when Probst tells them it's a final 2. Cirie's the first one to drop out of the challenge. Cirie had already planted seeds into Parvati's head about not facing Amanda in the finals. Something happens in the challenge and Amanda panics or loses concentration after she worries. Parvati wins immunity. Cirie plants more seeds into Parvati's head. We finally see who is really running and has been running the show. Parvati does the unspeakable and votes out her best friend. The mistrust that Amanda had against Parvati comes to fruition. *Boot: Amanda* FINAL 2: Cirie and Parvati Parvati spends the entire time trying to apologize to everyone and push blame onto Cirie who is glad to take credit for making all the moves. Parvati melts down. Cirie, the ER nurse, does fine under pressure. Winner: CIRIE Four things tell me this is the case (1) Jonathan tells us in his Episode 3 voting confessional that Parvati is being played by Cirie and it will be her kiss of death. (2) Amanda's distrust for Parvati has to mean something. Parvati voted out Ozzy. That distrust will come FULLY into play at the end. Why put them both in the finals? This is more than the "Todd is a little devious" from China. (3) Most of the jury members voted that Parvati was the one most likely to be under the false illusion that she is running the game. Translation: She isn't. Then who is? (4) Cirie's voting confessional during last episode's tribal council says it all. Something like "mama said you can some battles with muscles but don't mess with the brain". I know I'm paraphrasing because I am too lazy and tired to get the real quote. Still, it says a lot. BUT...if Cirie is voted out then everything changes. My vote then goes to Amanda for the win.
Jacare15		#47	[-]
Posts: 1118 (05/09/08 8:23 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(1) Jonathan tells us in his Episode 3 voting confessional that Parvati is being played by Cirie and it will be her kiss of death. Lol, Jedi, but then someone can argue that was foreshadowing that Parvati does not get slaughtered by Cirie. There is a side to everything.
azcanadienne		#48	[-]
Posts: 2355 (05/09/08 8:43 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	erickman wrote: i don't know i think we were handed the winner from ep 1 eliza told us. we just did not like it like tdt left us. I hope so, e-man - I reeeeeeeeeeally hope so (if it can't be Cirie) But what I meant was that for whatever reason, the leaks coming out of Palau (this time) were not like the leaks that have been pouring out of the past several seasons. If there's still some debate as to whether we've got an F3 or an F2...EPMB's got us playing again too
Jedijake		#49	[-]
Posts: 5141 (05/09/08 8:49 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But Jonathan is the prophet of Survivor, isn't he? lol Dunno-I just don't see a darn thing that merits Parvati to win. She played well, but not that great. Push come to shove, Amanda's more popular and Cirie's just too damn smart and strategic to shove credit away from herself. Maybe arrogance and the lack of close, personal bonds does Cirie in, but I'm thinking we should have seen more of that emphasized throughout. There's just something that doesn't feel right about Parvati winning. Something just doesn't gel if she's up against Amanda, Cirie, or both. It doesn't seem to work. Maybe I am just missing something big time.
Jacare15		#50	[-]
Posts: 1119 (05/09/08 9:02 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you're not the fan of the person who wins, you definitely won't feel good about it. :-p
Kirblar		#51	[-]
Posts: 6260 (05/09/08 9:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The big thing I'm getting from the editing and the probable F2- Amanda is our 2nd place finisher. There's no way Ozzy/James don't vote for her, so whoever is sitting accross from her at the end is our winner. Either Cirie or Parvati is our winner, and I'm leaning Cirie, based on the overall editing and what we're seeing from the Jurors. I think it plays out something like this Eliza- Cirie - She saved her ass. Ozzy- Amanda - Pussywhipped. Jason - Parvati - He was on her swapped tribe, and gives her credit for the Ozzy backstab James - Amanda - Seen her make the F3 twice Alexis - Amanda - Because she's Scunt 2.0 and will eat up Amanda's doe-eyed bullshit. Erik - Cirie - One of the people that saved him over Ami, who isn't named Amanda. Natalie - Cirie - Uberbitch will not like Amanda's doe-eyed bullshit, and will not vote for Parvati, who Boston Rob'd her. That leaves Cirie, who let her vent. Then, the 3-3-1 vote is revealed, and Parvati is ejected. Leaving a F2, and a revote. Jason switches to Cirie (because she voted out Ozzy as well, he's being VERY coy with his answer in interviews as he voted for "the person who got Ozzy out") And we get the best winner, since, well, Todd.
Schadenfreude		#52	[-]
Posts: 772 (05/09/08 9:51 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Natalie, I feel, is immaterial at this point. She wins the final IC, she gets a vote from Alexis. Period. The three faves women, though, let's hash that out... Assuming a final three (which may or may not be a valid assumption to make...) I feel like on the surface, it's Amanda's game to lose. She has two votes in her pocket for sure: Ozzy and James. We've been beaten over the head with "Amanda can't lose, nobody can beat Amanda, everyone loves Amanda." That, combined with the fact that we KNOW that she was unimpressive against the jury in China, makes me think, conversely, that Amanda may not win. If Amanda can't even beat freakin' Courtney in a jury vote... I suspect that Cirie and Parv can give her a run for her money in that department. I have heard rumors that Amanda figured out that she didn't win China because she didn't see any other winners on the favorites tribe and she didn't think she'd beat Todd anyhow. The question is this: Amanda has two guaranteed votes in her pocket. Can she seal the deal by vastly improving the jury performance that was a major weakness last time? James and Ozzy are not enough for her to win, and I'm not at all convinced that many of the fans or Eliza would be on her side. Now, we look at Cirie. On paper, Amanda seems like the more formidable opponent, but I do feel Cirie's edit feels more of a winning edit to me. Why? She's been seen very strategically since day one, whereas pre-merge Amanda was in the background more, and she's simultaneously always involved with her finger on the pulse of the game but not seen as a target. They've held out on Cirie, editing her carefully by showing us every move but also not putting her in the driver's seat since the merge. She's a mix of Chris, Sandra, Earl, and a little bit of Vee. The winning emphasis is on Parvati or Amanda. Then WHY show us as much of Cirie's strategy as they have and not even mention her possibly being voted out? I also have to think she'd be much stronger than Amanda in a final jury performance. Finally, I feel that she's probably going to get a lot of the fan votes... Alexis seemed hurt by Parv and Amanda, and Jason seemed to like her best as well. I also think Eliza would be on her side. Although it goes against intuition, I somehow feel Cirie's going to pull off an upset over Amanda in a close vote and win it all. Cirie's edit just fits better to me than Amanda's for the first female winner in quite some time... it would be SO easy to have given Amanda an over-the-top heroine edit since day one. She's the vague love interest of Ozzy! She's a mastermind! Instead, though, up until the last two episodes, we've seen Cirie and Parv strategizing instead. I feel Amanda is a last-minute red herring to distract us from Cirie. I must say that even though Parv's edit is intriguing, I fail to see where she'd get the votes she needed to win. Parvati... she's played a heck of a game, but compared to Cirie and Amanda, she doesn't have the friends on the jury. Nobody save from possibly Natalie is going to rank her as the person they were really cheering for. I think she's going to get the blame and vitriol rather than the credit and the votes. In a final two situation: the question is whether Parvati would stick with Amanda or take her chances against Cirie? Cirie would definitely take Parv... she's not stupid.
Kirblar		#53	[-]
Posts: 6262 (05/09/08 10:00 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The only way we get a F3 IC is if one of the Jurors cannot serve. After having 3 VERY good winners using the F3 (which does what it's supposed to do), there's no way they'll be going back to an F3IC-F2 vote unless they have to. It would go against everything Jef's publicly stated for over a year.
azcanadienne		#54	[-]
Posts: 2356 (05/09/08 10:57 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	According to your post date... 05/09/37 .....the finale was over 25 years ago. Can't you just tell us who won?
Orangeena	So Amanda's gonna have a nervous breakdown? Can't wait!	#55	[-]
Posts: 1297 (05/09/08 11:29 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, Probst is going around saying Amanda MAY have a nervour breakdown? On camera? I can barely wait til Mother's Day. Seriously, this is the vibe I'm getting from everything that the unthinkable happens and one of the Final Three can't cope, and has to get carried away...and the Final Three of Cirie, Parvati, and Amanda suddenly becomes just Cirie and Parv and Cirie WINS! Of course! Being an emergency room nurse REALLY prepares you for doing well on Survivor! PERFECT TRAINING handling people in crisis after crisis after crisis....So this is what the SEEBS clue for the Finale and Jeff are FRANKLY saying. Amanda once again crumbles before the jury. She can't take TWO seasons in a row with only three weeks off and she just snaps! Love it! Thank you for spoiling your own (great) season for us, Jeff! Cirieously, I haven't missed ONE episode! This season ROCKED!
Kirblar		#56	[-]
Posts: 6264 (05/10/08 12:03 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Amanda broke down before her last FTC. Dunno if it's misdirection or not. As much as people hated on the F3- 3/4 of the last seasons have had us without a 100% obvious winner. Last Edited By: Kirblar 05/10/08 12:09 AM. Edited 1 times.
Jacare15		#57	[-]
Posts: 1122 (05/10/08 12:10 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You don't think Aras, Yul, Earl and Todd were obvious winners? I think they all have been from episode one. :shrug:
sunsawed		#58	[-]
Posts: 7986 (05/10/08 1:27 AM) MESS SPECtrometer Emeritus More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't see how Parvarti wins after this episode. Amanda, Cirie and Natalie played their HEARTS OUT, taking down the inevitable Juggernaut that was Erik while Parv sat on her ASS on Exile Island, working on her TAN. Parvarti could have WON this thing, simply by getting that Immunity Idol. If she had done that, she could ALLOW everyone else to vote for her. She votes Erik. Erik GOES. Everybody else gets to save face and she gets to look just as HEROIC as Amanda "fooling" the whole tribe. (Even though they were all just playing along, knowing only Parv's vote would count.) It would have been the PERFECT plan, just like Natalie rigging the Jason vote so that if Jason played the HII, James would have gone. What WORRIES me is how Jeffy treated Amanda in the Survivor China Finale. She was Persona non Grata, with Jeffie not asking her ANYTHING AT ALL, even though she played a great game and arguably should have won. "Fans" vs "Faves' was shot between the taping and airing of Survivor China. So Jeffy knew the presumptive results. Treating Amanda like SHT made sense, seeing how she blew a million bucks that season. But if Amanda did BETTER and lost by being voted out, Jeffy should have had more RESPECT for her, getting Final Four two seasons in a row. Either Jeffy has the best POKER FACE in all of Television or Amanda must F up ROYALLY in the F4, blowing not ONE million dollars, but TWO million dollars, losing to NATALIE by "Biting the Apple" in an F3 final or losing to Parvarti in an F2, another Morasco Fiasco. A PARV/AMANDA F2??? Obviously Amanda has Ozzy and James's votes in hand. And Eliza, who Parvarti targeted from DAY ONE as being a betraying BITCH, while Parv proved HERSELF to be exactly THE SAME. But Amanda has to Screw Cirie and Natalie in order to GET to the F2, with Natalie's BFF, Alexis voting the SAME. It all boils down to the two biggest DUMBSHTS in Survivor History, Jason and Erik. Erik may vote against Amanda out of SPITE, for calling him out on his Bull Crap. That leaves Dog-Boy, the stupidest Survivor EVER to make the call. SHIT!!! But you'd think Jeffy would have LAVISHED all over Amanda if "Fans V Favorites" had turned out the "WRONG" way, like he kissed MATT'S ass in the Amazon Finale.
sunflower101		#59	[-]
Posts: 1338 (05/10/08 1:54 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Coachocd wrote: I loved the final four of both S1 and S2. In both cases I believed the four best players became the final 4 with the right person winning. I've haven't been so happy about any final four in any season of Survivor since. Every single one of these women have made game moves which make them worthy to be the winner. If I could, I'd give each one of them a million. NATALIE: The mostly male editors probably kept her under wraps because they didn't like her personality. Instead, they spent the first 2/3 of the season having an undeserved mancrush on uber-athletic, but way-overrated-as-far-as-the-game-goes Ozzy. The editors behaved liked fans, focusing on who they liked. I like Natalie's dark side, but then I have two cats myself, so I appreciate it. Her playing Jason and executing the move against Eric were both brilliant. While Alexis was more likeable to the masses and therefore got all the pre-jury confessionals, Natalie by far has been the best of the fan players. She is the one hope of a fan winning. Even if she makes the final 2 or 3, I don't think she will win, unless there is a final 3 and two of the favorites split their votes and she comes up the middle. Unlike the belief that StephaME already had her chance and the belief that the outcasts didn't deserve a second one, these fans seem to be a little star struck of the favorites and of the 3 fans on the jury, only Alexis would be inclined to vote for her. But kudos for a wonderful job done. AMANDA: Here is the biggest jury threat. Not only did she not directly betray Ozzy and James, the fans who man crushed Ozzy will admire her performance in challenges and her not directly betraying anyone who didn't betray her first. Her twirling the HII like it was a string of pearls when presenting it at TC was a wonderful moment. If she makes the final 2 or 3, she will win. She may resent HOW Ozzy was booted, and she may have dated him afterward, but it was the best thing that could have happened to her because it got her head and her ass 100% into the game playing on "her" behalf instead of "his" or "their" behalf. PARVATI: She could win against Natalie, but I don't think she'll win against Amanda or Cirie. She backstabbed nearly everyone on the jury. Granted these jurors aren't the brain trust and it may blow over. However, she got rid of Ozzy at the exact perfect moment and did great strategic moves throughout the game. I don't think either Ozzy or James would vote for her, especially as all of her likely opponents can also point to strategic moves they did. However, she played the game far better than I expected this season and is fully deserving of winning if she does. CIRIE: Here is the person I am rooting for who I believe played the best overall game this season. From engineering Yau Man's boot because it was the best one in HER interest, as opposed to her alliance's, she set the tone for this season. Unlike Parvati, she didn't have the level of trust that would lead to her being seen as a betrayer. Unless there is someone who feels she is undesering because she isn't a challenge stud, and thes mancrush-on-Ozzy jurors could believe that, they wouldn't mind admitting to being outwitted by her. If she can articulate just how strategic she has been with the same finesse she just played Eric on the beach, she will win. I'm voting for her to win the $100,000. My fear is that she will end up in the great Survivor tradition of Lex, Kathy, RobC. of being the best overall player of the season, but falling at the final IC. But go Cirie! I have no idea who is going to win this, but I think the four of them deserve a SAG Ensemble Award for how they played Eric this episode and at tribal council. I wish I could give them a bonus prize. Amanda has the best chance to win, unless Parv realizes that Amanda IS her biggest threat to winning the game. However, Amanda and Natalie will fight to the finish in that endurance final IC. This is not a vote, but in my current reasoning, my head tells me that Amanda will win, my heart tells me that Cirie will in and my gut tells me that somehow Parvati will squeak this out -- so watch Natalie win. It's fine. I'm totally happy with any four of these wonderful players winning -- the most deserving final four since S1 and S2. But go Cirie! Well according to the interviews Ozzy gave after his boot Amanda/He are still dating. He made some comments about how Parvati betrayed both James/Amanda. So it will be interesting after the finale to get Amanda's take on this. I am curious about who she considered her primary alliance.
sunflower101		#60	[-]
Posts: 1339 (05/10/08 2:08 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: If it's Parvat vs Amanda, it's a dead heat based on game logic and jury vote specuation. But Parvati is miles ahead based on edgic, especially ep.1-4 editing where Parv was solid and Amanda was her shadow. Parvati vs Amanda Themes (Fans\Girls vs Couples\Boys) Amanda story didn't start until ep.5 Interesting that Amanda had the confessional about her "little 4 clique" Suddenly that become HER alliance more than Parv (after editing showed us Parv building it). That theme was continuted at the merge with Amanda not liking the fan interlopers. Sure enough, Alexis\Nat help vote off her boyfriend and later threaten Amanda herself. Amanda is all about the Couples alliance and keeping her clique together. She uses the idol to destroy the fans' chance to take over the game. Parvati, on the other hand, is multi-alliance girl. She's Eliza's go-to girl in ep.4. Parv promises Natalie F4 and does the cauldron dance with Alexis. Meanwhile her relationship with Ozzy was downplayed early, and her making out in ep.2 was downplayed relative to Amanda. Parv is all about gameplay and girlpower. Amanda disses the fans collectively in ep.6, but Parv befriends the fangirls. Looks like Parv may lose the Ozzy\James votes at final TC, but win on the basis of Fan or Girlpower votes. If that's the storyline, whatever anti-Couple editing there was (ep.2) could ironically be seen as favouring Parvati if she's facing Amanda. Amanda and Cirie have been more in-your-face in doing dirty work against the fans, so Parv avoids blame plus wins credit for booting Ozzy. The more Ozzy is a Twatwaffle at Final TC, the more attention is focused on his boot as the move of the game. Jason said in an interview that he'd vote for the person who got Ozzy out, which makes sense since he was all about beating Ozzy. Yeah but Amanda could get the Erik vote based on his man crush of Ozzy. Parvati wasn't the only one behind the Ozzy boot. Cire was behind that too.If it is Cire/Parvati Jason's vote could go to Cire. Remember Jason was aligned with Eliza and she seems like a Cire vote. I do think the final 2 is Parvati/Amanda but there is always the chance that Amanda is taken out for the jury votes.

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