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S16 Episode 11 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

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craig		#61	[-]
Posts: 12909 (04/24/08 8:03 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that tonight Amanda told us who the final 2 are: Cirie and Parvati. All of the negativity of Cirie's plan went towards Parvati and not one person (except Amanda) was mad at Cirie. Cirie being largely ignored in the blowback on the vote suggests she won't be facing the jury. Her fans are reduced to hoping she can win in the Amanda role from S15, as Parvati lite. After what Natalie did, she's hardly a look to get Fan votes so why wouldn't Parvati bring her? Can't see Amanda getting votes from the Black Widow Brigade if she makes it to the end, nor from Eliza.
Relynn		#62	[-]
Posts: 255 (04/24/08 8:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: I think that tonight Amanda told us who the final 2 are: Cirie and Parvati. All of the negativity of Cirie's plan went towards Parvati and not one person (except Amanda) was mad at Cirie. Cirie being largely ignored in the blowback on the vote suggests she won't be facing the jury. Her fans are reduced to hoping she can win in the Amanda role from S15, as Parvati lite. After what Natalie did, she's hardly a look to get Fan votes so why wouldn't Parvati bring her? Can't see Amanda getting votes from the Black Widow Brigade if she makes it to the end, nor from Eliza. Yep, it might hurt Amanda...Pavarti had all that time to bound with Alexis/Natalie...Who knows though...Is it me or did it look in the previews Amanda gets the HI.
Orangeena	One of the best followed by one of the worst	#63	[-]
Posts: 1269 (04/24/08 8:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This was one of the vilest episodes of Survivor I've ever seen. I almost did not post here tonight it was soooo upsetting. Natalie is a HORROR. As a fellow GLBT person,I was ashamed of what she was saying...shudders JP was nervous in his YouTube-ish promo this week, I thought and I can see why. I can also see why he was emphasizing James, Perverty and Amanda and saying Ozzy over and over and over again... I could just hear the sound of dials switching off this episode and turning to "Ugly Betty" en masse as I watched it. YUCK! They really held Natalie in check UNTIL tonight and then when they let her loose she makes soooo many negative comments that you end up just hating her and hating the show and feeling awfully sorry for poor dumbo Jason. This season that started so fantasically with so much promise just took a huge dive into the toilet...UNLESS with her 50,000 negative confessionals tonight, they are just setting Natalie up for a huge, quick fall. Though it's obvious Eric goes next....Or maybe does he? Eric now becomes our last, best hope and he'll try to work SOMEthing with Amanda who's clearly on the out-side of the Chocolate Alliance... Parvati POINTEDLY, I thought, did not chose her to share her cake with... However, the won thing that saves all this for me, is the excitement Jeff evinced before the season started. Like he was VERY happy with the outcome. Which could mean, that a good gal, or guy, if it's Eric, wins. So it could still be Cirie who triumphs because she STILL hasn't pissed off anybody on the jury!God! This episode, after the FRANCHISE ALL-TIME GREAT episode of last week was just DISGUSTING! Why do I even watch this shit anymore? A question that is being asked all over the USA tonight.
Ramona Balboa		#64	[-]
Posts: 2381 (04/24/08 8:27 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thank you, Mme Pezident. The pbp is deeply appreciated. It's the meeting silly season for me. It's fresh air to come here and find backstabbing, blindsides, and all you great people.
tullfan2		#65	[-]
Posts: 2596 (04/24/08 8:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati POINTEDLY, I thought, did not chose her to share her cake with... It was Natalie that won the cake.
azcanadienne		#66	[-]
Posts: 2316 (04/24/08 8:54 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Holy crap - how does someone go from 100% invisible for ten episodes, to 100% vile and evil in one episode? That's a hell of a story arc, but not in a good way!!!!
I LUV TIJUANA		#67	[-]
Posts: 8920 (04/24/08 9:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, maybe Natalie gets a surprise boot in the coming episodes. I say she goes out fifth or worse. And regarding the Idol: It's Amanda. Same color bracelet.
klwor		#68	[-]
Posts: 1028 (04/24/08 9:43 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: Amanda was the top woman in the immunity challenge. I wouldn't be surprised if she ran off a few immunities late. So James totally 100% knew what was happening, and couldn't get Jason and Erik with him to take out one of the women on the bounce? It's not that he couldn't get Jason and Erik to work with him, it's that he didn't even try!! Way to go, James. You forgot all about the Outwit and Outplay part.
CFmomma		#69	[-]
Posts: 2890 (04/25/08 3:19 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well if James is removed due to injury and Amanda, who is already a challenge threat, finds the HII, she is a lock for F4. She has a really good chance of winning the final IC because of her athleticism and endurance. Mind you, Pervy managed to stand for 6 hours with her arm in the air, so who knows at this point. One thing is certain, barring anymore dunderhead moves, your F3 will be Amanda, Perv and likely Cirie.
MyBoyGus		#70	[-]
Posts: 23 (04/25/08 7:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I had to laugh at James last night saying that Jason isn't dumb enough to not play the idle. James, the cast this year didn't see the end of last years's game. After the bonehead play that James made in China of not playing the idol, how can he call somebody else stupid for doing the same thing?
minerva		#71	[-]
Posts: 4102 (04/25/08 7:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	klwor wrote: birdlady wrote: So James totally 100% knew what was happening, and couldn't get Jason and Erik with him to take out one of the women on the bounce? It's not that he couldn't get Jason and Erik to work with him, it's that he didn't even try!! Way to go, James. You forgot all about the Outwit and Outplay part. That just killed me. He knew exactly what they were planning to do and did nothing with the knowledge. I almost think that was dumber than sitting on 2 immunity idols and not playing them. All James had to do was get Erik with him, go to Jason and spill everything. Get the guys to all vote Poverty, Jason plays the idol, and ding dong the witch is dead. Then work on getting Amanda to flip for the next vote. Even if he couldn't get things with Amanda to work out, he would've been no worse off than before and would've gotten his revenge on Poverty. Dammit, James. Still love the big ole (dumb) teddy bear though. ETA: I now hate that Natalie bitch as much as I do Poverty.
birdlady		#72	[-]
Posts: 1197 (04/25/08 8:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Alexis - Voted For James Natalie - Voted For James Jason - Voted For James Parvati - Voted For Jason Amanda - Voted For Jason Cirie - Voted For Jason Erik - Voted For Jason James - Voted For Parvati This is how Survivor Fever has the votes. There must have been some more to the plan that we didn't see, presumably to control what happened if Jason did play the idol. So the threat to keep James from blabbing to Jason would have been that James was the second choice. Amanda and Erik had to be assigned to vote Jason, since they would be the most likely to team up with James (and Jason) to take out one of the widder ladies. (Even if they do that, the best they get is a tie.) I guess Amanda still thought she was good with Parvati and Cirie? Or she was convinced she couldn't win against any of the men, so she had to take them out regardless or how that leaves her positioned? I can't figure what Erik could have thought he was doing...
minerva		#73	[-]
Posts: 4103 (04/25/08 8:16 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: Alexis - Voted For James Natalie - Voted For James Jason - Voted For James Parvati - Voted For Jason Amanda - Voted For Jason Cirie - Voted For Jason Erik - Voted For Jason James - Voted For Parvati This is how Survivor Fever has the votes. There must have been some more to the plan that we didn't see, presumably to control what happened if Jason did play the idol. So the threat to keep James from blabbing to Jason would have been that James was the second choice. That's why James needed both Erik and Jason. If the 3 of them teamed up and kept their mouths shut about it, they could've voted Poverty and it wouldn't have mattered if the girls threw 2 votes at James as their second choice. Oh well, as they say at the Ponderosa.... Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
crzypunk2004		#74	[-]
Posts: 3297 (04/25/08 8:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	couldn't that be Amanda digging it the last immunity challenge? I have to rewatch the preview.
Coachocd		#75	[-]
Posts: 7108 (04/25/08 8:37 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wow, Orange, it is as if we saw two different episodes. I thought Natalie was great. But whether we like Natalie or not, the fact is she has an interesting personality. I'm not sure why the editors have kept her invisible. She wasn't just the "dog that didn't bark". She was the invisible woman. Ozzy is going for the record as the poorest sport in Survivor history. Reality check. He's not a great player. He can't strategize his way out of his way out of a wet paper bag. He's an amazing athlete, but otherwise completely overrated.
dagny1331		#76	[-]
Posts: 1055 (04/25/08 9:37 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just can't understand why James and Amanda didn't reel in Jason and Erik and vote out Parvati. Where is the benefit to them going with the girl group? What am I missing? Once Parvati was gone, it would have been 4 vs. 3. And Jason, dude--did you not register what was done to Ozzy last week?
SurvivingInLA		#77	[-]
Posts: 63 (04/25/08 11:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I guess the big problem was that Erik hates Jason -- at least by his parting words when voting him out.
Orangeena	That was Amanda digging at the last Immunity Challenge	#78	[-]
Posts: 1270 (04/25/08 12:03 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That was Amanda digging at the last immunity challenge, not a shot of her finding the idol. There was a rumor floating around early on that Cirie(!) finds it. Now, if they showed HER arms and hands finding it, we'd INSTANTLY know it was her. I think her two rainy days alone on Exile the episode before last pre-saged her coming FINDING of the HII on Exile...Now THAT would explain A LOT! And how she gets to the end...She's got Amanda and probably Eric...And she'll try to take out one of the two remaining fan grrrls. But which one? Witch witch is witch? Probably Exlaxiz because she's more likeable and more apt to win an immunity. Cirie for the WIN!!!
Coachocd		#79	[-]
Posts: 7109 (04/25/08 4:06 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivingInLA wrote: I guess the big problem was that Erik hates Jason -- at least by his parting words when voting him out. If that's the case, it is a shame. The cardinal sin of this game is playing and voting emotionally, instead of strategically. The history of Survivor is littered with scores of castaways who fell because they could not put their personal feelings aside, positive or negative, and pursue what was in their best strategic interests. The primary thing that should matter while you are in the game is not who you like or wish you could date after the show, but what's in your mutually beneficial interests whether you personally like the person or not.
Coachocd		#80	[-]
Posts: 7110 (04/25/08 4:15 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It takes a lot of finesse to screw people over and get credit for game play. BB Will did this beautifully. Parvarti is not doing it with finesse and you can't rely on people to be objective that it was just good game play when they got screwed royally They only give credit for gameplay to people they thought were reptiles to begin with. If someone personally trusted you, that leads to someone voting against you if you backstab them. Though why anyone would trust anyone in this game is beyond me. Ozzy was wrong about this too when he said, "you have to trust some people in this game." No, you can't trust anyone. And that is why he was outwitted by Yul and why he finds himself on the jury now.

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