The Pimping Of American Idol

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cardswin5		#21	[-]
Posts: 221 (04/16/08 3:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	what really fucking pissed me off was that the very first week Archie went first and was boring I thought people would possibly forget about him but NO! Simon fucking prevented that by referring to him as the best in the competition three people after he's already gone! If he wins I'm done with this show.
Starzburst05		#22	[-]
Posts: 1499 (04/16/08 3:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: Very true. But I think the judges love David Cook more, so they are trying desperately to pimp him out to the max. I seriously hope one of them gets cut before the finale so there is not a completely dull and predictable all-David finale. I think they may want Archuleta to leave right before the finale, like Melinda, since this season he seems to be Melinda (only she was a much better performer) and David Cook is the Jordin (only Jordin was a much less consistent performer, and more annoying). Then Jason (who has a good fan base but he'll never be able to do one of those crappy winner songs), or Syesha, or whoever, would lose to David Cook without a real fight. I almost hope the show is stuck with Archuleta and his stage father as the winner, instead of who they want. That would be what they get for how poorly this season has been structured. Haha, me too. Nothing is worse than letting TPTB get what they want. I think Devil Child was their original choice but now that DC has become so popular, they're hoping he wins it all. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I don't even hate Porkchop that much anymore because he is no longer TCO. Now all my hatred is geared toward DC and his wannabe rock shit.
ProbstFan123		#23	[-]
Posts: 9351 (04/16/08 3:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think David Cook has been The Chosen One all along. They're just being smarter about it this season. Archuleta is the decoy Chosen One.
seaguy		#24	[-]
Posts: 10236 (04/16/08 4:08 PM) AI Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Starzburst05 wrote: Haha, me too. Nothing is worse than letting TPTB get what they want. I think Devil Child was their original choice but now that DC has become so popular, they're hoping he wins it all. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I don't even hate Porkchop that much anymore because he is no longer TCO. Now all my hatred is geared toward DC and his wannabe rock shit. I know people hate him because he's the front runner, but I'm still trying to figure out what "wannabe" rock shit you are talking about over and over. He's never presented himself as anything but that. He was a rock singer before the show and will be after the show. Where is the "wannabe" thing. And what could he do to make you think otherwise? Come on, gimme some reasoning here, bitch. :)
SurvivorFanGP		#25	[-]
Posts: 6987 (04/16/08 4:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	seaguy wrote: Starzburst05 wrote: Haha, me too. Nothing is worse than letting TPTB get what they want. I think Devil Child was their original choice but now that DC has become so popular, they're hoping he wins it all. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I don't even hate Porkchop that much anymore because he is no longer TCO. Now all my hatred is geared toward DC and his wannabe rock shit. I know people hate him because he's the front runner, but I'm still trying to figure out what "wannabe" rock shit you are talking about over and over. He's never presented himself as anything but that. He was a rock singer before the show and will be after the show. Where is the "wannabe" thing. And what could he do to make you think otherwise? Come on, gimme some reasoning here, bitch. :) Probably the fact that he's on American Idol, for crying out loud. I don't think he's "wanna be rock", but it's hard to take a grunge performer seriously on this kind of show. DC isn't anything original either, there's dozens of rock/grunge artists out their already on the radio and selling tons of albums, it does bring up a concern with how marketable DC can be, seeing as how he isn't anything new. Then again, neither was Carrie, but Country fans are devoted to their artists, grunge/rock is a different story.
seaguy		#26	[-]
Posts: 10238 (04/16/08 4:47 PM) AI Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorFanGP wrote: seaguy wrote: Starzburst05 wrote: Haha, me too. Nothing is worse than letting TPTB get what they want. I think Devil Child was their original choice but now that DC has become so popular, they're hoping he wins it all. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I don't even hate Porkchop that much anymore because he is no longer TCO. Now all my hatred is geared toward DC and his wannabe rock shit. I know people hate him because he's the front runner, but I'm still trying to figure out what "wannabe" rock shit you are talking about over and over. He's never presented himself as anything but that. He was a rock singer before the show and will be after the show. Where is the "wannabe" thing. And what could he do to make you think otherwise? Come on, gimme some reasoning here, bitch. :) Probably the fact that he's on American Idol, for crying out loud. I don't think he's "wanna be rock", but it's hard to take a grunge performer seriously on this kind of show. DC isn't anything original either, there's dozens of rock/grunge artists out their already on the radio and selling tons of albums, it does bring up a concern with how marketable DC can be, seeing as how he isn't anything new. Then again, neither was Carrie, but Country fans are devoted to their artists, grunge/rock is a different story. I didn't say a thing about being "original", I'm talking about wannabe rocker. I suppose maybe it's because he's on AI, but hey that's a great step in the door. I just think he's a rock singer, and I don't think he can do anything but that. So I am just curious about the wannabe thing.
SurvivorFanGP		#27	[-]
Posts: 6994 (04/16/08 4:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I personally believe he's rock -- there isn't anything painfully obvious about him being a poser like say, Robbie. Thank goodness they didn't peg Robbie as the authentic one and Cook as the one being a poser.
seaguy		#28	[-]
Posts: 10240 (04/16/08 5:00 PM) AI Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought about that the other day...I really think the show wanted Robbie or Michael Johns to be their "rock star" this year. Didn't happen that way. I never for a minute believed Cookie was ever TCO. I think only after his first couple performances, and seeing his popularity grow, he became one of TCO (I still think Archtard is TCO)
James Barber		#29	[-]
Posts: 11327 (04/16/08 5:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think David Cook has been The Chosen One all along. They're just being smarter about it this season. Archuleta is the decoy Chosen One. It's a replay of Melinda/Jordin, only Melinda is better than Archuleta and Cook is better than Jordin. The only good thing I can say about Jordin is she mixed it up, while Cook (and everyone else this season except Carly and maybe Kristy) does the same thing every single week. There are a lot of reasons not to like Archuleta, but when I hear people say they hate him because the show favors him, I just shake my head, because I think Cook has been their choice from the getgo. If you remember his audition, they made a big deal about him auditioning because of Daughtry. They know enough to realize it's almost impossible to win if you are the frontrunner from early on. If you're a blonde country singer, maybe, but if you're a rocker, no. That's the same reason I don't think they wanted Michael to win, because they showcased him early and labeled him a frontrunner. They know how to get the winner they want. Now I just wonder if they can figure out how to get the winner they want without draining the season of any entertainment value whatsoever, or without doing serious damage to the winner's chances of actually being a big success. When they go on and on and on about David Cook being original or give him a standing ovation, they are almost begging people to not care about the winner. That's what happened with Jordin. She's done alright, but not anywhere close to what the show tried to hype her up as being.
DominiqueChic		#30	[-]
Posts: 426 (04/16/08 5:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	David Cook MURDERED one of my all time favorite songs and the judges still creamed themselves. I just wanted to destroy something after that travesty scene. HE is the one being pimped. David Archuleta is just cute.
ILovegreeneyes		#31	[-]
Posts: 4517 (04/16/08 5:28 PM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	so what, now the contestants are supposed to reinvent the fucking wheel? there are only so many genres of music to step into...DC happens to fall into the grunge rock side but he's not fucking Nirvana for crying out loud... he'd have no problem getting played on top 40, Hot AC and even some country rock stations.... I certainly don't think he's TCO...not when they are giving pork chop a tongue bath every fucking week for basically singing the same song over and over. DC takes songs that aren't traditionally rock and turns them on their head...granted he got inspiration from others who had done it before with Hello, Eleanor Rigby and Billie Jean but I've looked all over the net for a version of Always Be My Baby that matched his and there isn't one...that was totally original and pretty fucking amazing! What pisses me off is the way the judges slam Carly and Syesha even when they give great vocal performances...they always find something to hit them with.... it's so obvious they want a guy to win this year.... it's annoying as fuck even if DC is my favorite.
James Barber		#32	[-]
Posts: 11330 (04/16/08 5:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	so what, now the contestants are supposed to reinvent the fucking wheel? Not at all. It would just be nice if the judges would not try to claim somebody is reinventing the wheel, unless their idea of reinventing the wheel is making the same wheel pretty much every week. I think Cook is very talented and I'm sure he will have a good career when he wins, but he's not what the show hypes him to be. That's nothing against him. He's not saying, "I'm original." It's the stigma the judges and producers put on him. . I certainly don't think he's TCO...not when they are giving pork chop a tongue bath every fucking week for basically singing the same song over and over They have given Cook as much praise, or more praise, with the added bonus of telling people how original he is, while telling people how predictable Archuleta is.
Screerider		#33	[-]
Posts: 21424 (04/16/08 5:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, if there's someone who's obviously getting the Lion's Share of the Votes, so must be Insanely Popular, TPTB will instead chose to push a less popular contestant? Because they clearly believe less popular artists sell more than more popular ones?
SurvivorFanGP		#34	[-]
Posts: 7000 (04/16/08 5:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Taylor. Daughtry. One was more popular (for some bizarre-ass reason), but marketability was obviously in the latter's favor. Archtard might be more popular, but him outselling Cook = . Kidz Bop CDs don't sell like they used to.
ILovegreeneyes		#35	[-]
Posts: 4520 (04/16/08 5:46 PM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	when and IF pork chop takes a song (a ballad since that's all he fucking sings) and researches it and finds an alternative arrangement to the original and sings it that way on the show and knocks it out of the park then I'll be impressed. Cookie at least takes the time to find arrangements the are outside the box and variants of what people have heard a million times. That might not be original to YOU but I've been watching this show for 7 seasons and I can't recall any contestant ever creatively impressing me the way Cookie has. Those might not be "his" arrangements but he damn sure introduces me to them cuz I wasn't aware they existed until he did them..... and he does them brilliantly too I might add.
Screerider		#36	[-]
Posts: 21425 (04/16/08 5:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So... they were pimping Daughtry? And it didn't work? So they know pimping doesn't work... but keep trying? And you guys know pimping doesn't work, yet complain they're trying to help along another Daughtry, rather than have another Taylor win? So... you want another Taylor?
ProbstFan123		#37	[-]
Posts: 9354 (04/16/08 5:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They're pimping Cook without making it obvious he's the frontrunner. Praising Archuleta gives Cook the appearance of an underdog. They learned their lessons well from season 5.
seaguy		#38	[-]
Posts: 10244 (04/16/08 5:52 PM) AI Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ILovegreeneyes wrote: Cookie at least takes the time to find arrangements the are outside the box and variants of what people have heard a million times. That might not be original to YOU but I've been watching this show for 7 seasons and I can't recall any contestant ever creatively impressing me the way Cookie has. Those might not be "his" arrangements but he damn sure introduces me to them cuz I wasn't aware they existed until he did them..... and he does them brilliantly too I might add. I am in agreeance with this. And this thread gives me a headache.
Gregoire		#39	[-]
Posts: 27536 (04/16/08 5:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If this show didn't have a select number of 'chosen ones', all the winners would be like Clay Aiken and Taylor Hicks. They need winners that are going to fortify the franchise, and they dont trust America to choose them wisely, and frankly neither do I. On top of it, they have an arrangement with SonyBMG to plop down millions of dollars to sell an album. This show isn't pure like Dancing WIth The Stars, where there is no money-losing after effect. Its prestige may diminish, but its not like the winner gets a million dollar dance contract with Alvin Ailey Dance Troupe. I also think people confuse 'pimping' with 'monopolizing on popularity'. If David Archuleta is a popular contestant, why wouldn't they put him last -- so that viewers will stay tuned until the end? There is some definite favoritism and 'chosen one' mentality, but people jump to it at every given occasion whenever they disagree with something. I think the original chosen ones were Carly and Michael, frankly, just based on extra-Idol information, such as buzz factor, press coverage and early show story-time.
James Barber		#40	[-]
Posts: 11331 (04/16/08 5:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, if there's someone who's obviously getting the Lion's Share of the Votes, so must be Insanely Popular, TPTB will instead chose to push a less popular contestant? That's what happened with Clay and Ruben. when and IF pork chop takes a song (a ballad since that's all he fucking sings) and researches it and finds an alternative arrangement to the original and sings it that way on the show and knocks it out of the park then I'll be impressed. I'm not impressed by Archuleta either. I just don't think it's brilliant or original to take a cheesy pop song and turn it into a rock song, and according to the judges, it is. That doesn't mean I don't think Cook has talent, it just means they are hyping him in a way I think rings false. It becomes, "Are they praising him because they like him, or just because he is doing this gimmick again?" They are selling him as a gimmick, not as an artist. I also don't get how this is going to help Cook's career after the show. He's not going to release a CD full of rock covers of "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" and "I'm Too Sexy". The show is selling him on what he won't be doing when this is over with. Last Edited By: James Barber 04/16/08 5:56 PM. Edited 1 times.

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