Is Mark Burnett deliberatly trying to ruin Survivor?

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PJMichaelangelo		#21	[-]
Posts: 82 (04/02/08 9:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	dettigersnw22 wrote: I imagine watching this show without reading spoiler information would make it far more entertaining for me. Gee, you think? Those who know wrestling terminology will understand when I say that this board is filled with smarks. Smarks are people who have to know everything going on behind the curtain, who can go on for hours about how much better things were in the good old days, who can't understand why the guys with phenomenal workrate are stuck in the midcard while the big, lumbering hulks get shot after shot at the title. You know why that is? Because smarks make up a very small portion of the audience. Most of the people who watch the show never visit message boards, never go to CBS.com to view the insider footage, and could care less about endgame theory. They watch because they get absorbed in the personalities. They're the Kathys of the world, who never realize that, yes, it fucking rains more than the 30 seconds you saw on TV. These are the people who have never read MB's book, and can go on and on about how undeserving Brian was as a winner because of how boring he was. If MB catered to the Sucks audience, the show would have never made it to Vanuatu. And you know why he could give two fucks about our opinion? Because he knows that, no matter what he throws up on the small screen, we'll tune in. I've read countless people on here complain about how the show's gone to hell in a handbasket since ASS, but they know every detail about Exile Island and China. Know what that means? It means that, no matter how much the product pisses you off, you're still watching. MB's gotta come up with shit to keep the housefrau in Pocoima glued to the tube, not you, because he knows that no matter how much you whine, you're still his little crack ho that'll slob a knob to keep getting your fix, no matter how much you complain.
XtremeInnovator420		#22	[-]
Posts: 1055 (04/02/08 9:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As a wrestling fan, I know and agree (well, partly at least) with what you're saying. It's very easy for us to criticize the show as people who just watch it, but we really don't know anywhere close to all of what goes on there, and I'd only really want to know after getting there. On the other hand, if someone like Jenna or Todd were to post here complaining about a contestant's reaction to something, it would hold more merit since they each lasted the whole 39 days.
ptcruisn56		#23	[-]
Posts: 4260 (04/02/08 9:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PJMichaelangelo wrote: dettigersnw22 wrote: I imagine watching this show without reading spoiler information would make it far more entertaining for me. Gee, you think? Those who know wrestling terminology will understand when I say that this board is filled with smarks. Smarks are people who have to know everything going on behind the curtain, who can go on for hours about how much better things were in the good old days, who can't understand why the guys with phenomenal workrate are stuck in the midcard while the big, lumbering hulks get shot after shot at the title. You know why that is? Because smarks make up a very small portion of the audience. Most of the people who watch the show never visit message boards, never go to CBS.com to view the insider footage, and could care less about endgame theory. They watch because they get absorbed in the personalities. They're the Kathys of the world, who never realize that, yes, it fucking rains more than the 30 seconds you saw on TV. These are the people who have never read MB's book, and can go on and on about how undeserving Brian was as a winner because of how boring he was. If MB catered to the Sucks audience, the show would have never made it to Vanuatu. And you know why he could give two fucks about our opinion? Because he knows that, no matter what he throws up on the small screen, we'll tune in. I've read countless people on here complain about how the show's gone to hell in a handbasket since ASS, but they know every detail about Exile Island and China. Know what that means? It means that, no matter how much the product pisses you off, you're still watching. MB's gotta come up with shit to keep the housefrau in Pocoima glued to the tube, not you, because he knows that no matter how much you whine, you're still his little crack ho that'll slob a knob to keep getting your fix, no matter how much you complain. Come on, I don't read spoilers anymore, but you can tell there is a quality drop to it. I enjoy the show a lot. I loved China and I really like Micronesia. I enjoyed all the seasons. I wouldn't watch it if I don't. But I come to this board to discuss it and nitpick it. That is the whole point, this board would be awful if everyone was like "I love Osten and quitters make the show great!" And unfortunately for you I guess you forget what this website is all about...it is called Survivor Sucks. And look a little lower...people complain about other shows as well. And nitpick them. This board is known for that. Yea I'm still watching it because I enjoy it, but I also enjoy to say what I dislike about it. And you know what people complained about the show before Vanuatu and before Thailand so it isn't anything new.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#24	[-]
Posts: 3125 (04/03/08 7:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PJMichaelangelo wrote: dettigersnw22 wrote: I imagine watching this show without reading spoiler information would make it far more entertaining for me. Gee, you think? Those who know wrestling terminology will understand when I say that this board is filled with smarks. Smarks are people who have to know everything going on behind the curtain, who can go on for hours about how much better things were in the good old days, who can't understand why the guys with phenomenal workrate are stuck in the midcard while the big, lumbering hulks get shot after shot at the title. You know why that is? Because smarks make up a very small portion of the audience. Most of the people who watch the show never visit message boards, never go to CBS.com to view the insider footage, and could care less about endgame theory. They watch because they get absorbed in the personalities. They're the Kathys of the world, who never realize that, yes, it fucking rains more than the 30 seconds you saw on TV. These are the people who have never read MB's book, and can go on and on about how undeserving Brian was as a winner because of how boring he was. If MB catered to the Sucks audience, the show would have never made it to Vanuatu. And you know why he could give two fucks about our opinion? Because he knows that, no matter what he throws up on the small screen, we'll tune in. I've read countless people on here complain about how the show's gone to hell in a handbasket since ASS, but they know every detail about Exile Island and China. Know what that means? It means that, no matter how much the product pisses you off, you're still watching. MB's gotta come up with shit to keep the housefrau in Pocoima glued to the tube, not you, because he knows that no matter how much you whine, you're still his little crack ho that'll slob a knob to keep getting your fix, no matter how much you complain. Yeah, but the average viewer could care less whos on their screen,as long as they are entertaining. I could see your point if your talking about the end of sweason 2,where people realized that the show wasn't primarily about survival but about so much more. Thats why there was such a big drop off in viewers for Africa, because the whiny bitches can't see that the show is a mirror on politics, not a real life Robinson Crusoe or Castaway. Personally, I have no problem with challenge dominators like Ozzy,Tom or Terry, because they all have personalities and are fun to watch(at least in my opinion), what I have a problem with is designing the show around the challenges. The average viewer has "evolved"(or devolved, depending on your pov), from thinking that the show is about surviving on some forsaken island or in some beautiful hellhole to purely about winning challanges. Not even playing to win the game. The casual viewer thinks Survivor should be renamed "Challenge monster". We can do better then that,can't we? Also, I hate how everyone comnplains about mactors. I say that every single contestent we've had is worthy of being on the show. You may not like them or carew for them, but every single castaway is worthy of being on the show, and that includes every single numbnuts and quitter there ever was. These people aren't there to entertain you or heavens forbid enlighten you. When people say that "normal people" should be on the show, I feel somewhat embarressed for them. At least from my limited experiences with "plastic" people and phonys, they essentially aren't that much different then the schmos you meet at the supermarket,at least on a human level. Both "normal people" and "mactors" are equally as capable of being fascinating characters on the show, and of being good players.
XtremeInnovator420		#25	[-]
Posts: 1057 (04/03/08 9:24 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ashlee from Palau was worthy of being on the show? What did she do to stay longer aside from have giant tits? Hell, didn't she want to leave on like, Day 2?
melicatsmom		#26	[-]
Posts: 356 (04/03/08 10:12 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also, I hate how everyone comnplains about mactors. I say that every single contestent we've had is worthy of being on the show. You may not like them or carew for them, but every single castaway is worthy of being on the show, and that includes every single numbnuts and quitter there ever was. These people aren't there to entertain you or heavens forbid enlighten you. When people say that "normal people" should be on the show, I feel somewhat embarressed for them. At least from my limited experiences with "plastic" people and phonys, they essentially aren't that much different then the schmos you meet at the supermarket,at least on a human level. Both "normal people" and "mactors" are equally as capable of being fascinating characters on the show, and of being good players. That's not the point I was getting at with 'mactors'. In fact if you'd read what I said you would've understood I gave credit to at least two players--one a mactor, one not--who were specifically recruited to join Survivor instead of a straight 'normal' application and ended up being fantastic. But the problem with 'mactors' as a group is that the normal truck driver or fireman or secretary is watching the show and seeing someone like Adam from Cook Islands and catching his credit during a confessional and seeing 'Copier Salesman' and it's clear the dude is trying to make a living as a model or hopes the appearance on Survivor will lead to appearnces on soaps or movies or whatever, and suddenly there's a disconnect in Middle America because that copier salesman is not really a copier salesman at all. They're pretending to be copier salesmen or business consultants or waitresses when the audience knows we're about two seconds away from seeing their soft-core porn appearance on the Playboy Channel or they're going to be making a 'special guest appearance' either on a CW comedy or at the Pink Pony down the street. And I don't know if the 'pretending we have a real-world job' is the idea of the mactors themselves or the idea of the producers, but either way I think there would be some more credibility at this point if I looked at Ashlee/Craig/Skye/Sunset/Lexi/James, etc. and I saw the credit 'Model, Actor' at the bottom of the screen instead of what we see now. Hell, at least Penner was honest enough to have his title read 'Actor, writer, TV producer, Los Angeles'. Maybe that's one of the reasons he became so popular.
Kitty Pryde1		#27	[-]
Posts: 3460 (04/03/08 10:21 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Who can forget "Mechanical Bull Operator"?
XtremeInnovator420		#28	[-]
Posts: 1058 (04/03/08 10:36 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also, remember that 75% of mactors happen to be "Bartenders". I never would've known that before Survivor.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#29	[-]
Posts: 3126 (04/03/08 10:38 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I knew exactly what you meant MM.I was taking the next step and saying anyone with a physical or mentel problem can be on the show.And the producers put in their pseudo job title,not the castaways
XtremeInnovator420		#30	[-]
Posts: 1059 (04/03/08 10:47 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You might have a point with the job description thing. I remember reading that Chris from Vanuatu was upset with his job description. But I'd definitely agree that the people who do like the mental evaluations and whatever, look for people who are either really easily angered, or just paranoid to the point of insanity. I guess for some people, their best bet to get on is that their entire family thinks that they're literally out of their mind.
melicatsmom		#31	[-]
Posts: 357 (04/03/08 11:00 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But I'd definitely agree that the people who do like the mental evaluations and whatever, look for people who are either really easily angered, or just paranoid to the point of insanity. I guess for some people, their best bet to get on is that their entire family thinks that they're literally out of their mind. Damn if that's the case maybe I should apply.
SenseiKreese		#32	[-]
Posts: 2128 (04/03/08 11:31 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah Chris told me that in an interview. He said he was upset that the show portrayed him as a "construction worker" because in real life he doesn't work in the trenches at all. He's a roving site inspector. Yes he works for a construction company, but he's really more the equivalent of a site manager. His job and Twila's job are nothing alike. He thinks the show only portrayed him that way because they wanted him to look more blue collar (because that was the storyline). If you'll notice, Chris never says he needs the money like Twila does at the end. Twila keeps talking like she is practically on food stamps, and Chris doesn't even make any mention of needing money at all. There's a hint.
panurge46		#33	[-]
Posts: 949 (04/05/08 10:44 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"Is Mark Burnett deliberatly trying to ruin Survivor?" No, he's telling you to shut the hell up with your constant complaints! 32 posts to this thread! Such a huge petition against him that it must have Burnett shaking in his boots. You see, this season is all about what he thinks of petty complainers. You can't complain about mactors anymore when you see what superfans like Chet and Kathy can do! You can't complain about poor strategy anymore when you see perfect on-line Survivor game moves made by Mikey and Joel fall to waste. You can't complain about not seeing enough survival when you see dumbass Jason who "had a dream of living on a deserted island" make such a fool of himself. No, Burnett is telling us how he likes his fans: 1- Enthusiastic like Alexis. 2- Adoring like Erik. 3- Silent like Natalie.
FranklinBluth		#34	[-]
Posts: 1395 (04/05/08 10:49 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	when you see perfect on-line Survivor game moves made by Mikey and Joel fall to waste. And what would those moves be? Keeping weaker challenge players around, even in online games, isn't a good way to win. I'll give them credit for at least being interesting though. I kinda wish Joel was still around.
panurge46		#35	[-]
Posts: 950 (04/05/08 1:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FranklinBluth wrote: And what would those moves be? Keeping weaker challenge players around, even in online games, isn't a good way to win. I'll give them credit for at least being interesting though. I kinda wish Joel was still around. We have a winner for missing the point and focusing on a little detail. If you need an explanation, I was referring to Mikey's move, where he targeted Chet and Tracy, and Joel's move against Mary. None of those where among the stronger challenge players and Kathy was immune. Those highly secretive, deceptive moves were called too complex, they divided the tribe even more than it was and were defined as playing a long game instead of the short one which should always be getting to the merge with a united tribe, being Koror. Mikey and Joel's moves were typical of on-line games and they were proven bad in the real context where players have to live together. Tracy made the move to get rid of the strong Mikey. I could have included it here because it was largely applauded by her fans even if it killed the Fans' tribe.
Kitty Pryde1		#36	[-]
Posts: 3510 (04/05/08 1:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It killed her tribe, which she was never even accepted into. It wasn't a bad move for Tracy at all, it was a bad move for the people who went along with it.
XtremeInnovator420		#37	[-]
Posts: 1066 (04/05/08 1:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Agreed that Tracy's move was bad for almost everyone who went with it (obviously good for herself, Kathy, and Chet), however I still think Mikey's move made sense and would've been a good one. Although, I do think it would've made more sense for him to simply suggest voting Chet off and leaving it at that.
panurge46		#38	[-]
Posts: 951 (04/05/08 2:03 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sorry FB, I see there's more competition than I thought for missing the point. Last Edited By: panurge46 04/05/08 2:06 PM. Edited 1 times.
FranklinBluth		#39	[-]
Posts: 1398 (04/05/08 2:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Panurge, I got your overall point. I was just honing in on that one specific sentence. I agree with what you're saying in general.
Survivor Boy		#40	[-]
Posts: 4887 (04/05/08 3:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah....

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