Loopholes in Challenge Rules

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beatles20147		#21	[-]
Posts: 11476 (03/24/08 10:07 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In the ASS challenge that Ethan was blamed (or rather, took the blame) for losing for Mogo Mogo, he and Boston Rob had to go out and get the paddles from the middle of the jungle. Instead of untying them right there, Rob just brought them as is back to the tribe. I can't remember whether it was spelled out in the rules that the runner had to untie them where they found them though.
chad6		#22	[-]
Posts: 1330 (03/24/08 10:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Odeist wrote: Not really a loophole, but I'm reminded of the F5 plank challenge in PI when Darrah was able to reach down into her tubes and retrieve her keys faster because of her tiny, emaciated fingers. The same way a physical challenge favors a man or the final immunity challenge in Guatemala favored a tall person. I'm sure theres more...
grodney		#23	[-]
Posts: 388 (03/25/08 8:30 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Odeist wrote: Not really a loophole, but I'm reminded of the F5 plank challenge in PI when Darrah was able to reach down into her tubes and retrieve her keys faster because of her tiny, emaciated fingers. Oh I think that's definitely a loophole. That is, I don't think it was intended that they be able to do that at all. And I thought Colby did dump some sand in his bucket during the fire-making? No? Oh, and I watched the Aras/Terry thing last night on Youtube. Jeff definitely does not say (one way or the other) on-air whether you can hit multiple stations when fixing your errors. If you stretch, you could call his instructions ambiguous, as he says you can go back out and "fix your errors", plural. But the argument would be whether that plural implies something that overrides the initial instruction that you must return after each station. Now, we all know that they take a LONG TIME to go over all the challenge rules and what-not, and we only see a tiny fraction, so it's truly unkown what was really said/clarified. And unless there are multiple interviews saying that Jeff specifically said you can hit more than one, I'm calling it a great loophole find by Aras.
Francois40		#24	[-]
Posts: 2051 (03/25/08 8:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The same way a physical challenge favors a man or the final immunity challenge in Guatemala favored a tall person. I'm sure theres more... Um, you mean like the Final IC in Exile Island where they had to balance on progressively smaller floats to where Aras and Terry weren't even above water, meanwhile, former gymnast Danielle stood there easily?
XtremeInnovator420		#25	[-]
Posts: 1032 (03/25/08 9:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mhm. There's also the fact that Terry's platform was affected by the waves much more than Aras's was. Aras' platform had the waves already broken by both Terry and Danielle's platforms by the time they reached his, so I'd imagine he had a much easier time dealing with it than Terry did. The producers kind of shot themselves in the foot with their intended Terry win on that one.
Lake Like The Ocean		#26	[-]
Posts: 458 (03/25/08 10:36 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Just looking at the final challenge for EI, you knew it was Danielle's to win. I wanted Terry to win that season... almost weeped when I saw the F3 challenge. Just glad Aras beat her in the final 2. Side note: Remember the RC on the previous day? Jeff said the reward would help with the next immunity challenge... and the reward was a heavy meal, if I remember correctly. How is a reward that makes you heavier going to be an advantage in a challenge that favors somebody light with a small frame?
chad6		#27	[-]
Posts: 1336 (03/25/08 3:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	XtremeInnovator420 wrote: Mhm. There's also the fact that Terry's platform was affected by the waves much more than Aras's was. Aras' platform had the waves already broken by both Terry and Danielle's platforms by the time they reached his, so I'd imagine he had a much easier time dealing with it than Terry did. The producers kind of shot themselves in the foot with their intended Terry win on that one. I didn't notice the waves. I was really surprised the produces had that challenge for the final three. I was really expecting them to have something they know Terry would win.
Quiddity		#28	[-]
Posts: 2004 (03/25/08 4:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Francois40 wrote: The same way a physical challenge favors a man or the final immunity challenge in Guatemala favored a tall person. I'm sure theres more... Um, you mean like the Final IC in Exile Island where they had to balance on progressively smaller floats to where Aras and Terry weren't even above water, meanwhile, former gymnast Danielle stood there easily? And the balancing on tiny blocks Final IC in Amazon as well. But I got no problem with either when you consider how many challenges are tilted towards men. It was definately a refreshing change to see a women-centric challenge at the end of EI after the prior 6 had all been tilted towards a man winning them. Final IC in Vanuatu and Fiji certainly favored younger stronger men too. :P ETA: I was talking about the prior 6 immunities in EI, not the prior 6 Final ICs. Sorry for the confusion! Last Edited By: Quiddity 03/25/08 4:29 PM. Edited 1 times.
Kitty Pryde1		#29	[-]
Posts: 3370 (03/25/08 4:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Borneo: Pure Endurance Australia: Trivia Africa: Pure Endurance Marquesas: Pure Endurance Thailand: Pure Endurance Amazon: Tilted Toward Players With Lower Body Weights Pearl Islands: Pure Endurance All-Stars: Pure Endurance Vanuatu: Endurance And Arm Strength Palau: Pure Endurance Guatemala: Pure Endurance Exile Island: Balance And Low Body Weight Cook Islands: Pure Endurance Fiji: Upper Body Strength China: Balance And Strategy Two challenges have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards women, two have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards men.
kenc333		#30	[-]
Posts: 1027 (03/25/08 5:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Borneo: Pure Endurance Australia: Trivia Africa: Pure Endurance Marquesas: Pure Endurance Thailand: Pure Endurance Amazon: Tilted Toward Players With Lower Body Weights Pearl Islands: Pure Endurance All-Stars: Pure Endurance Vanuatu: Endurance And Arm Strength Palau: Pure Endurance Guatemala: Pure Endurance Exile Island: Balance And Low Body Weight Cook Islands: Pure Endurance Fiji: Upper Body Strength China: Balance And Strategy Two challenges have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards women, two have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards men. Cook Islands involved a lot of balance...and Guatemala's originally involved balance, but became back/leg strength. Amazon's also involved arm endurance as holding the headdress over their heads for 10 minutes would hurt a lot.
solesurvivor01		#31	[-]
Posts: 972 (03/25/08 6:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't know if this counts as a loophole, but in the very first challenge of PI, Sandra/Christa/Rupert talked on the commentary about how they were ahead and wanted the Morgans to help clear the path, so that caused a hold up in the race. Apparently Jeff got mad at the Drakes too, which is pretty hypocritical seeing as he said that whoever was ahead controlled how fast it would go. Still, I don't think production intended great stalling.
chad6		#32	[-]
Posts: 1338 (03/25/08 6:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Borneo: Pure Endurance Australia: Trivia Africa: Pure Endurance Marquesas: Pure Endurance Thailand: Pure Endurance Amazon: Tilted Toward Players With Lower Body Weights Pearl Islands: Pure Endurance All-Stars: Pure Endurance Vanuatu: Endurance And Arm Strength Palau: Pure Endurance Guatemala: Pure Endurance and Tilted Toward Tallest Player Exile Island: Balance And Low Body Weight Cook Islands: Pure Endurance Fiji: Upper Body Strength China: Balance And Strategy Two challenges have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards women, two have been somewhat unfairly tilted towards men. Fixed.
XtremeInnovator420		#33	[-]
Posts: 1034 (03/25/08 7:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Agreed.
Mr X819		#34	[-]
Posts: 12 (03/25/08 9:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The PI challenge was favored towards those with low body weight, or as Lil would say, those who do "squats."
Thailandsurvivor		#35	[-]
Posts: 354 (03/25/08 10:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mr X819 wrote: The PI challenge was favored towards those with low body weight, or as Lil would say, those who do "squats." I think Jon weighed the least out of those 3.
Mr X819		#36	[-]
Posts: 13 (03/26/08 7:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Mr X819 wrote: The PI challenge was favored towards those with low body weight, or as Lil would say, those who do "squats." I think Jon weighed the least out of those 3. Oh my bad. I meant those who have a lower center of gravity, which kinda favors women. It was the same challenge that Kathy won at the F10 in Marquesas.
PrettyGoodYear1988		#37	[-]
Posts: 831 (03/26/08 8:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I always felt that Aitu cheated during the Ep. 8 IC of Cook Islands. They were supposed to use the target + cannonball mechanism to release their puzzle pieces. Instead they just dropped the cannonballs right through the hole manually. Still, it was stupid for Raro to not copy their strategy.
Francois40		#38	[-]
Posts: 2052 (03/26/08 11:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh my bad. I meant those who have a lower center of gravity, which kinda favors women. Correct, but wasn't Lill taller than Sandra (thus higher CoG)? ANY balance challenge favors lower centers of gravity, but this one, with the waves making the platforms unstable, also required leg strength (as do most "endurance" challenges).
XtremeInnovator420		#39	[-]
Posts: 1037 (03/26/08 12:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	When I saw that challenge I remember thinking "some surfing dude would kick ass at this challenge". And then 8 seasons later, Aaron shows up in China and they don't even have a challenge similar to that at all, lol.
IluvGoddessCirie		#40	[-]
Posts: 180 (03/26/08 1:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would say that only Borneo's 'Hand on Idol' was pure endurance. For Africa/Mar/All Stars the players had to lean foward, putting their wieght on their hands and be balanced. Ethan and Kathy's eliminations from that challenge were both due to losing their balance. Cook Islands was just as much about balance (in the later stages) as it was about endurance. Van/Fiji were tilted towards stronger men. Panama's was very much balance. In Guatemala's final challenge, they didn't actually tell them they could lean against the post did they? I mean Jeff didn't say and they just seemed to stumble upon doing that.

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