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ProbstFan123		#1081	[-]
Posts: 10092 (05/04/08 5:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shouldn't you be out working the corner? You don't want to keep your customers waiting.
crocophile		#1082	[-]
Posts: 9888 (05/04/08 6:23 PM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The HI is supposed to save your neck. She played it brilliantly by showing them she didn't have it when she got home, bringing the right person in, finding the time to secretly looking look for it and playing it with a straight poker face all through TC. Any hint she does, and Parvati or maybe Cirie goes to LL.
urrout		#1083	[-]
Posts: 1615 (05/04/08 6:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Like they said above she played it the way she is supposed to play it. They would have searched her bag so showing them wasn't that big a deal. It didn't matter. She really has had it easy. What would she have done had it been on the island? What would she have done if James stayed in the game and Eric won immunity? She hasn't had to make any tough decisions or moves at all. She did do well to hide it during TC though but guilting Eric like that could end up costing her. There was no reason for it.
birdlady		#1084	[-]
Posts: 1248 (05/04/08 6:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What if clouds can attack the earth?
urrout		#1085	[-]
Posts: 1617 (05/04/08 6:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I know but just curious what she would have done. The only real decision she has had to make in either of her seasons is whether or not to boot Todd and she made the wrong one.
AnomyBC		#1086	[-]
Posts: 4698 (05/04/08 8:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well she made the right decision in voting out James when she did last season. Todd apparently was content at that point to wait till his idols expired and vote him out at Final 4, which would have been incredibly stupid.
shoeless rye		#1087	[-]
Posts: 4979 (05/04/08 8:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: Like they said above she played it the way she is supposed to play it. They would have searched her bag so showing them wasn't that big a deal. It didn't matter. She really has had it easy. What would she have done had it been on the island? What would she have done if James stayed in the game and Eric won immunity? She hasn't had to make any tough decisions or moves at all. She did do well to hide it during TC though but guilting Eric like that could end up costing her. There was no reason for it. Actually they wouldn't have searched her bag right away, meaning they could have figured she might have stashed it. And under that scenario I think they would have closed ranks to Alexis, Natalie and Erik and voted off Parvati or Cirie. If she stopped playing hard, they would have thought something was up and might have spooked into voting another direction. She behaved exactly the way you would have expected her to play if she was desperately trying to save her own ass.
urrout		#1088	[-]
Posts: 1619 (05/04/08 9:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	shoeless rye wrote: Actually they wouldn't have searched her bag right away, meaning they could have figured she might have stashed it. And under that scenario I think they would have closed ranks to Alexis, Natalie and Erik and voted off Parvati or Cirie. If she stopped playing hard, they would have thought something was up and might have spooked into voting another direction. She behaved exactly the way you would have expected her to play if she was desperately trying to save her own ass. I think they would have watched her real close. Eric had already won immunity. If she took a crap they would have went and searched the area. Yes, she did act like she was trying to save her own ass and obviously did a good job of it but I still say her treatment of Eric was bad game play. It was totally unnecessary. What was the purpose of it? A simple Eric wouldn't return the favour would have been enough. Why didn't she mention Cirie? That could have been a big mistake on her part with N/A/E wondering why she wasn't mad at Cirie.
crocophile		#1089	[-]
Posts: 9889 (05/05/08 2:45 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	With Erik, really? She did to Erik exactly what she should have done to Todd in China, toss him back under the bus. Erik probably isn't voting for her, but she probably opened everyone elses eyes. She's obviously learned from her China experience you can't win by trying to be the nice guy. The women formed an alliance and together duped the men they all had it "easy". ETA - Per the Insider it appears Cirie knew Amanda had the HI. Last Edited By: crocophile 05/05/08 2:50 AM. Edited 1 times.
urrout		#1090	[-]
Posts: 1621 (05/05/08 8:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I know but they wanted it to appear like she didn't know it seems so why not attack her like she did Eric?
Trixiego		#1091	[-]
Posts: 14331 (05/05/08 8:12 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: I know but they wanted it to appear like she didn't know it seems so why not attack her like she did Eric? Ah, but we don't know exactly everything that happened at TC - we only know that the editors showed US Amanda attacking Erik. There may have been some mention by Amanda about Cirie to make it look good and the editors didn't show us that. For whatever reason, they wanted it to be shown Amanda calling out Erik; the reason for which may known at the end of the season depending on who wins or who votes for who
GlobalCroc		#1092	[-]
Posts: 444 (05/05/08 8:18 AM) aka crocophile MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I imagine she'd justify as follows: According to her, she had saved Erik's bacon implying that he owed her. He didn't dispute that either. Cirie has been in good standing up to this point. Cirie stated reason was to look out for herself because to do otherwize put her in jeopardy. Erik was in no jeopardy last TC. Her calling out Erik here is pretty much the same as Todd calling out her in China. It's probably the move that made him the winner since she was on the defensive from there on out. As Trix's says we don't know the whole thing, but I imagine she spent most of her 'angst' on Erik. Last Edited By: GlobalCroc 05/05/08 8:23 AM. Edited 2 times.
urrout		#1093	[-]
Posts: 1624 (05/05/08 8:54 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yah you are right we may not have been shown her interaction with Cirie. There is a big difference between doing it at final TC like Todd and doing it when Amanda did it. Wrong time. I hope we get details next episode. I would like to know whose idea it was to play out the exact way it did. Cirie got the most benefit from it, imo. Last Edited By: urrout 05/05/08 9:03 AM. Edited 1 times.
GlobalCroc		#1094	[-]
Posts: 445 (05/05/08 9:14 AM) aka crocophile MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Todd did it first at the F4 TC, then continued on at Final TC. She pretty much had to get the shot in last week since that's when it occured.
dettigersnw22		#1095	[-]
Posts: 55 (05/05/08 9:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What's annoying about Amanda calling out Erik is that she's basically taking credit for him still being there. If you're going to give any post-switch Malakal members credit for saving Erik, Ozzy should get credit. Erik was a goner until he revealed Ami's plan to Ozzy. So Ozzy wanted to take out the threat and Amanda and Cirie followed along. Doesnt sound like Erik owes Amanda that much. He also voted the same way as her in every tribal council to that point, so she has ignored that he has stuck with her and not 'moved onto greener grasses' by switching back and aligning with Natalie and Alexis. (Unless they edited it out) Amanda didnt call out Cirie for not voting with her, for pretty much the exact same reason as Erik....it puts her future game in great jeopardy. Erik may have been safe that time, but he wouldve been by far the biggest target for everyone next time, and it would have been more difficult to beat Amanda in a challenge or in the final vote than the others. She also seems to have completely forgotten Parvati (and Cirie) completely screwing her primary alliance and blindsiding Ozzy without telling her. Now she and Parvati are best buddies.
urrout		#1096	[-]
Posts: 1629 (05/05/08 10:03 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	True, Erik has paid her back several times. Amanda does not seem to realize that she is really just a TC vote proven by last TC. She didn't even get Nat voted out like she wanted. The second her vote wasn't needed she was a target. She could have changed that by giving them any reason to keep her and boot someone else (especially Alexis) but didn't. She just isn't good enough to pull it off but preferred to rely on the HII.
Trixiego		#1097	[-]
Posts: 14334 (05/05/08 10:03 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	survivor cat wrote: Trixiego wrote: Not what is between but using the alphabet what it is showing(don't forget also, VG posted this quite awhile ago so while this clue now may appear to be "old news" it wasn't when it was originally posted) and applying that to the promotion of this season. (VG's clues had layered meanings so some meant multiple things; this particular one below was discussed as one meaning but the one I am talking about was not said; it is actually very simple. So simple that all of us were making it too difficult) I'm going to try one more time: Considering your statement about this being relevant at the time but is old new now... "V" is separating the "A" and the "O" meaning that Amanda and Ozzy get broken up and do not go to the end together. sc - you sound like me and (LISTEN UP scanner) upon my inquiry if I was correct, I was not given a denial or confirmation; only that face value is best. Since at the time this was posted there was conjecture as to WHO would be in the finals, it made sense. There was a lot of talk of Alexis and/or Natalie being at the end so taking it in its simplest form and what I was trying to state regarding the alphabet and the premise of the show simply with respect to the V as being "Anatomy of Victory" (iow what is the structure of victory....) Fans vs. faVorites
GlobalCroc		#1098	[-]
Posts: 447 (05/05/08 11:04 AM) aka crocophile MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Erik wasn't shown desputing Amanada's claims. Whether Amanda's claims are true or not she is being given credit for saving him earlier on. She is shown as having the upper edge here. She is being shown as a physical threat. She is being shown as good social player. That is not to say she is the winner or deserving of winning. These are all significant in someway to her story. Apparently Cirie's reaction/interaction wasn't considered significant.
urrout		#1099	[-]
Posts: 1632 (05/05/08 11:20 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No, but he was justifying his decision saying he has a right to try to win and choose the path that is best for him by taking out his threats and she can't blame him for doing it. His statements made Amanda look ridiculous, imo, because they were dead on. "She is being shown as a physical threat. She is being shown as good social player." which is exactly the reasons for his wanting to boot her yet she doesn't seem to understand that. Are they all just supposed to just roll over and lose for her? She shouldn't make those things so obvious causing her to be target. She was used solely for a vote up until now and has done nothing to save herself when her vote is no longer needed. IOW, A plan B.
Trixiego		#1100	[-]
Posts: 14336 (05/05/08 11:48 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: No, but he was justifying his decision saying he has a right to try to win and choose the path that is best for him by taking out his threats and she can't blame him for doing it. His statements made Amanda look ridiculous, imo, because they were dead on. "She is being shown as a physical threat. She is being shown as good social player." which is exactly the reasons for his wanting to boot her yet she doesn't seem to understand that. Are they all just supposed to just roll over and lose for her? She shouldn't make those things so obvious causing her to be target. She was used solely for a vote up until now and has done nothing to save herself when her vote is no longer needed. IOW, A plan B. The only problem urrout is that (and correct me if I am wrong but when I watched it I saw this) when Amanda "called" Erik out and he gave his explanation and she came back at him again, I believe there was some shots of the jury reacting more to the point that they appeared to agree with what Amanda is saying then this "worried" look from Erik. I'll go back and watch again but if that IS the case, it doesn't matter that logically Erik's statements were correct, it is what they wanted it to appear to be and if the jury's reaction was agreeing with Amanda and Erik was shown looking all like a deer in the headlights, the intent wasn't for Erik to look logical and right but rather someone who, when they need help they'll take it but when it is asked in return they basically are saying sorry, don't think so.

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