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Althea Xegony		#1041	[-]
Posts: 34 (05/03/08 9:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Since I don't think i've ever seen it, what happens if there is a tie at the final vote? Sorry for not knowing ahead of time, but i've always wondered about it. TY ahead of time
Kirblar		#1042	[-]
Posts: 6229 (05/03/08 9:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The assumption's been that a 3-3-1 or 4-4-1 tie would be handled via a revote, like normal odd-numbered ties, while a 3-3-3 tie would have brought out the firemaking tiebreaker to reduce it to 2 people, who would then face a revote.
cyclehausen		#1043	[-]
Posts: 4304 (05/03/08 10:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Voting after the show airs seems absurd, and a revote would give away too much. I think it would be smart if the jury voted for a "second choice" at the same time that they vote for a winner. Then in the case of a 3-3-1 tie, the "1" voter's second choice vote would break the tie.
Kirblar		#1044	[-]
Posts: 6233 (05/03/08 10:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cyclehausen wrote: Voting after the show airs seems absurd, and a revote would give away too much. I think it would be smart if the jury voted for a "second choice" at the same time that they vote for a winner. Then in the case of a 3-3-1 tie, the "1" voter's second choice vote would break the tie. It'd be too complicated. Revealing the tied vote at Final Tribal, eliminating the 3rd place finisher, and having a revote would be much easier to explain to the audience and edit.
crocophile		#1045	[-]
Posts: 9885 (05/04/08 4:24 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: Caption when you hover is: "They wouldn't. Would they?" I guess it means they wouldn't give away the final 2 in a preseason promo, would they? Is this image new on SP? I just got into the whole clue thing, so... Not only this, but the link has a good witch and a bad witch. They would... They (CBS) also had this cute little shot at the merge. Last Edited By: crocophile 05/04/08 4:30 AM. Edited 2 times.
crocophile		#1046	[-]
Posts: 9886 (05/04/08 4:34 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BTW Trixiego figures things out because she is wicked smart. And she knows what KISS means. Sometimes an X-ray is just an X-ray go figure, and a V just stands for Victory. And two things mean [gasp]two things[/gasp] Last Edited By: crocophile 05/04/08 4:40 AM. Edited 2 times.
sunflower100		#1047	[-]
Posts: 2864 (05/04/08 4:55 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	jessiiiek wrote: trixiego ~ are you saying amanda wins is waht the clues mean? why would he do that after making the doe eyed faces for everyone to figure out? kind of sucky of the jury to play favorites. and what does ozzy's jury rant mean? how do you know that? and the sean reference i guess you mean sean replaces james on the jury? so if not the nurse, cirie then just one winner? the boot between fairplay and yau? mary wins? This is just a guess. I really have no clue what any of this means. If some clue is pointing to Amanda/Ozzy, then Amanda is in the final 2, and Ozzy might try to work the jury for her to win. Amanda's got 2 votes already (ozzy/james).
tvfunspotter		#1048	[-]
Posts: 14 (05/04/08 5:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't help but see the implication of 'Oz' in the clues. It seems to me that they used the witches of Wicked because they are significant...they both lived in Oz...Parvati was great friends with Ozzy and now Amanda is dating Ozzy. It's Glinda though, that gets to stay in Oz. Also, Ozzy said in his interviews that he didn't want to 'jinx' anyone and I think that's a dead-giveaway that Amanda is on the verge of a possible win.
kishuu		#1049	[-]
Posts: 6 (05/04/08 8:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think Jason will vote for Parv like you said. He practically knows zero about what was going on at camp when he was around but he knows things better when he's at the jury. I think his vote can be either for Cirie, Parv or Amanda. Natalie seems like the bitter type, and yeah, with the previews, she showed she was. Ultimately, if there were a final three, Cirie would get the bitter vote of Natalie (hello, Parvati and Amanda screwed her gameplan over), Alexis voted according to who she felt answered her questions best and all based on her post-show interview. Erik will probably throw something like a number question cause his vote is up in the air as well. Ozzy and James ultimately, look like they have given their votes to Amanda. James basically dislikes most of the girls I think? Eliza will probably be like Alexis, but she'll be more critical and such. I believe that the votes go in a way that Cirie receives 1 vote, and the rest are between Parvati and Amanda, the suppossed two witches. And Ozzy is the swing vote due to the constant mention of Oz. but that's probably false.
Kathy Fan 2		#1050	[-]
Posts: 4601 (05/04/08 8:03 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am dead set against an Amanda win. You can argue circumstance for both of them. Parvati was saved by the Penner boot (supposedly) and Amanda was DEFINTELY saved by the HII. Whether or not Parvati got lucky by Penner's med-evac is pure speculation because we never know what would have happened. We do know that Amanda got incredibly lucky that Alexis was moronic enough to send her to exile. Not only that, but Amanda (seemingly) would haven't of turned on Ozzy so early in the game. Perhaps the only real chance to turn on him...and Parvati did. Parvati fucking PLAYED. Against Amanda, I hope Parvati crushes her. It would ruin the entire season for me if a cautious player like Amanda won.
Relynn		#1051	[-]
Posts: 460 (05/04/08 10:12 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I am dead set against an Amanda win. You can argue circumstance for both of them. Parvati was saved by the Penner boot (supposedly) and Amanda was DEFINTELY saved by the HII. Whether or not Parvati got lucky by Penner's med-evac is pure speculation because we never know what would have happened. We do know that Amanda got incredibly lucky that Alexis was moronic enough to send her to exile. Not only that, but Amanda (seemingly) would haven't of turned on Ozzy so early in the game. Perhaps the only real chance to turn on him...and Parvati did. Parvati fucking PLAYED. Against Amanda, I hope Parvati crushes her. It would ruin the entire season for me if a cautious player like Amanda won. So Parv would have been the first person gone if Fairplay hadn't quit, and would have lost if Jonathon hadn't quit. That's a lot more luck for Parv than it is for Amanda. Besides the HI idol isn't that easy to find. If it was Ami, Cirie, Kathy, etc would have all found the thing. And it's not like Amanda hasn't had bad luck. If James hadn't been medical evacuated, he could have won that immunity, and they would have voted out Erik. And there was no way if James had been in the game, that he would have agreed to vote out his girl Amanda. Besides, she could have easily told everyone that she had the HI and they wouldn't have voted for her, but someone else. Heck, she might have done that if she hadn't gotten the HI. That's like saying that Yul and company didn't win because they wouldn't have won with the HI. Besides, if Parv takes Amanda to the end, it's Parv's own damn fault if she loses.. You don't play a backstabbing game, and then give the jury an option to vote for someone like Amanda whose screwed basically nobody over. That's the Surivor rule book. And there's nothing wrong with playing a cautious game either. If Amanda survives she'll have survived with a huge target on her back, and it would probably take some kind of playing to convince Cirie/Parv that they should be true to her. Last Edited By: Relynn 05/04/08 10:18 AM. Edited 1 times.
Katy Carney		#1052	[-]
Posts: 1048 (05/04/08 10:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I am dead set against an Amanda win. You can argue circumstance for both of them. Parvati was saved by the Penner boot (supposedly) and Amanda was DEFINTELY saved by the HII. Whether or not Parvati got lucky by Penner's med-evac is pure speculation because we never know what would have happened. We do know that Amanda got incredibly lucky that Alexis was moronic enough to send her to exile. Not only that, but Amanda (seemingly) would haven't of turned on Ozzy so early in the game. Perhaps the only real chance to turn on him...and Parvati did. Parvati fucking PLAYED. Against Amanda, I hope Parvati crushes her. It would ruin the entire season for me if a cautious player like Amanda won. x I like Amanda alright. She seems normal and relatively sweet, but her using the HII when she thought she was going to get voted off is not that impressive to me. It's common sense. She only has a shot at winning because of the game Parvati played. If it was up to Amanda she'd be sandwiched between Ozzy and James getting zero votes like Becky.
urrout		#1053	[-]
Posts: 1605 (05/04/08 10:30 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Relynn wrote: Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I am dead set against an Amanda win. You can argue circumstance for both of them. Parvati was saved by the Penner boot (supposedly) and Amanda was DEFINTELY saved by the HII. Whether or not Parvati got lucky by Penner's med-evac is pure speculation because we never know what would have happened. We do know that Amanda got incredibly lucky that Alexis was moronic enough to send her to exile. Not only that, but Amanda (seemingly) would haven't of turned on Ozzy so early in the game. Perhaps the only real chance to turn on him...and Parvati did. Parvati fucking PLAYED. Against Amanda, I hope Parvati crushes her. It would ruin the entire season for me if a cautious player like Amanda won. So Parv would have been the first person gone if Fairplay hadn't quit, and would have lost if Jonathon hadn't quit. That's a lot more luck for Parv than it is for Amanda. Besides the HI idol isn't that easy to find. If it was Ami, Cirie, Kathy, etc would have all found the thing. And it's not like Amanda hasn't had bad luck. If James hadn't been medical evacuated, he could have won that immunity, and they would have voted out Erik. And there was no way if James had been in the game, that he would have agreed to vote out his girl Amanda. Besides, she could have easily told everyone that she had the HI and they wouldn't have voted for her, but someone else. Heck, she might have done that if she hadn't gotten the HI. That is speculation. We didn't know if Parvati or Eliza would be going but we do know Cirie chose A/P's side so Parvati would not have been booted first. We also don't know who would have gone if they had went to TC after the switch but we do know Alexis and Nat chose Parvati over Eliza. They may have booted James to get rid of a post-merge threat. If the fans had came out on top post-merge, Amanda would have been the target before Parvati because she is a bigger threat. Amanda would have been in the same position when James had been booted instead of evacuated. It was just sped up. If James had stayed around too long, she would have been moved up the boot list. I don't think Cirie and Parvati would leave both James and Amanda in the game to take each other. James probably would have been unbeatable. Amanda couldn't just tell them she had the idol or she would have lost one of her alliance for sure. And she would have had to play it anyway to be safe so no help there for next TC. The idol seems to be always easy to find once they have a couple of clues. Is this the first time they have gotten all clues together?
Relynn		#1054	[-]
Posts: 462 (05/04/08 10:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: Relynn wrote: Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I am dead set against an Amanda win. You can argue circumstance for both of them. Parvati was saved by the Penner boot (supposedly) and Amanda was DEFINTELY saved by the HII. Whether or not Parvati got lucky by Penner's med-evac is pure speculation because we never know what would have happened. We do know that Amanda got incredibly lucky that Alexis was moronic enough to send her to exile. Not only that, but Amanda (seemingly) would haven't of turned on Ozzy so early in the game. Perhaps the only real chance to turn on him...and Parvati did. Parvati fucking PLAYED. Against Amanda, I hope Parvati crushes her. It would ruin the entire season for me if a cautious player like Amanda won. So Parv would have been the first person gone if Fairplay hadn't quit, and would have lost if Jonathon hadn't quit. That's a lot more luck for Parv than it is for Amanda. Besides the HI idol isn't that easy to find. If it was Ami, Cirie, Kathy, etc would have all found the thing. And it's not like Amanda hasn't had bad luck. If James hadn't been medical evacuated, he could have won that immunity, and they would have voted out Erik. And there was no way if James had been in the game, that he would have agreed to vote out his girl Amanda. Besides, she could have easily told everyone that she had the HI and they wouldn't have voted for her, but someone else. Heck, she might have done that if she hadn't gotten the HI. That is speculation. We didn't know if Parvati or Eliza would be going but we do know Cirie chose A/P's side so Parvati would not have been booted first. We also don't know who would have gone if they had went to TC after the switch but we do know Alexis and Nat chose Parvati over Eliza. They may have booted James to get rid of a post-merge threat. If the fans had came out on top post-merge, Amanda would have been the target before Parvati because she is a bigger threat. Amanda would have been in the same position when James had been booted instead of evacuated. It was just sped up. If James had stayed around too long, she would have been moved up the boot list. I don't think Cirie and Parvati would leave both James and Amanda in the game to take each other. James probably would have been unbeatable. Amanda couldn't just tell them she had the idol or she would have lost one of her alliance for sure. And she would have had to play it anyway to be safe so no help there for next TC. The idol seems to be always easy to find once they have a couple of clues. Is this the first time they have gotten all clues together? But it's getting all the clues that is hard. Jonny Fairplay was going to vote for Parv, he said that in his interviews. And Cirie according to her blog was with the other alliance at first, until she felt Yau man screwed her.
urrout		#1055	[-]
Posts: 1607 (05/04/08 10:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Then I guess Cirie is the only one who had made it this far on her own. And she has had to play the game to do it, not just tag along.
Katy Carney		#1056	[-]
Posts: 1049 (05/04/08 11:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie was about to get blindsided when Chet quit, and she also benefitted from Jonathan's departure in the game. Everyone has been lucky.
urrout		#1057	[-]
Posts: 1608 (05/04/08 11:09 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't remember that but if you say so. I remember Ozzy and Chet being the targets. Jonathan is just speculation. There would have been at least 3 bigger targets before Cirie.
Oowatanite		#1058	[-]
Posts: 5154 (05/04/08 11:14 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: Then I guess Cirie is the only one who had made it this far on her own. And she has had to play the game to do it, not just tag along. Cirie made it this far for the same reason Sandra did in PI. Get in a majority alliance in the early game (tribal stage) and then after the merge, coast to the endgame as a non-threat. It's really that simple.
GrenadeJumper85		#1059	[-]
Posts: 4583 (05/04/08 11:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And that is the beauty of Cirie's game. She's able to glide through under the guise of a "non-threat" when shes probably one of the biggest threats right up there with Ozzy. It's still funny, that sixteen seasons in and people still underestimate the players like Cirie.
urrout		#1060	[-]
Posts: 1609 (05/04/08 12:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: And that is the beauty of Cirie's game. She's able to glide through under the guise of a "non-threat" when shes probably one of the biggest threats right up there with Ozzy. It's still funny, that sixteen seasons in and people still underestimate the players like Cirie. I would hardly say Cirie is gliding to the end game The girl is playing hard. She is making moves herself (and everyone knows it) while Sandra mostly just sided with the majority.

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