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Cassidy666		#481	[-]
Posts: 7230 (03/20/08 8:53 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Got to agree with what Anne has been saying about editing in those last couple of pages. I'm in the Dani was robbed camp too, Oo. ;)
Oowatanite		#482	[-]
Posts: 4925 (03/20/08 8:55 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	midnightproblay wrote: a bunch of gibberish Feel free to stop reading my posts, asshole ! Oh, and ....
Oowatanite		#483	[-]
Posts: 4926 (03/20/08 9:02 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cassidy666 wrote: Got to agree with what Anne has been saying about editing in those last couple of pages. I'm in the Dani was robbed camp too, Oo. ;) Got to agree with what Anne has been saying about editing in those last couple of pages. Nooooooooooo !!!!! I'm in the Dani was robbed camp too, Oo. Thank God !! Dani should have won 4-3 or even 5-Jeric.
Jedijake		#484	[-]
Posts: 4963 (03/20/08 9:18 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowantine-for the record, you are starting to sound like a troll, no offense. Cirie's got all it takes to win in terms of editing. Yeah, she whines and moans sometimes, but it's more in sarcasm and jest than being sincere. We should know that about Cirie at this point. The point is that Cirie's got the perfect edit for a winner and we should know that from the past 5 or 6 of the past 8 seasons by now. If the arguments for any other winner are "well, Danni won while being somewhat invisible, so person X, Y, and Z could win this season", then I think it's pushing a bit to avoid the fact that Cirie will win. Especially when you consider that Amanda and Parvati will betray their men and Parvati will betray Alexis and Natalie. Who will Cirie have betrayed in the jury phase if she stays loyal to her alliance of Amanda and Parvati?
Oowatanite		#485	[-]
Posts: 4927 (03/20/08 9:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: Oowantine-for the record, you are starting to sound like a troll, no offense. Offense taken. So just because I'm not on the Cirie bandwagon, I'm suddenly a troll. Hardly. Oh, and maybe you should stop posting "Cirie wins" in the Edgic thread. They don't like spoiled posters trumpeting winner picks in their thread. No offense.
Jedijake		#486	[-]
Posts: 4967 (03/20/08 9:38 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There are no spoilers that say Cirie wins. There just isn't anyone else that has a shot based on editing. Hey, I respect that people can stick to one person til the end. However, there really isn't anything that supports Alexis winning. I'm just not sure how sincere the support for Alexis really is. It gets redundant to support someone when there is no longer (and hasn't been for a long time) substance other than a "hunch". Maybe troll was not a good word to use. I apologize.
Katy Carney		#487	[-]
Posts: 576 (03/20/08 9:49 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati obviously wins, and it's going to be awesome. All the Cirie fans, the Jonathan fans and that one Alexis fan are going to be spewing their bitterness all over Sucks. The site will probably crash from the epic outrage. <33
Oowatanite		#488	[-]
Posts: 4928 (03/20/08 9:53 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: There are no spoilers that say Cirie wins. There just isn't anyone else that has a shot based on editing. Hey, I respect that people can stick to one person til the end. However, there really isn't anything that supports Alexis winning. I'm just not sure how sincere the support for Alexis really is. It gets redundant to support someone when there is no longer (and hasn't been for a long time) substance other than a "hunch". Maybe troll was not a good word to use. I apologize. Hey, no problem. I accept your apology. I'm sticking to my original winner pick. My gut worked for me with Todd over spoiled Amanda. I gotta trust it again. Believe me, if Alexis ever gets an INV, I'll drop her as my winner pick so fast, that it'll make everyone's head spin. My point about Edgic is that they have asked us spoiled types not to post winner speculation. I have not and will not post any "Alexis wins" stuff in the Edgic thread - rather I'll just post some thoughts about ratings and tones and visibility. I am, however, following OTH's Edgic support of Alexis with great interest. You and I both know that there are no "winner" spoilers out there, but the unspoiled posters in Edgic do not know that or are very suspicious of that. And your "Cirie wins, it's obvious" posts did remind me of ILT's Amanda posts last season.
AnneZob		#489	[-]
Posts: 33 (03/20/08 9:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: Jedijake wrote: There are no spoilers that say Cirie wins. There just isn't anyone else that has a shot based on editing. Hey, I respect that people can stick to one person til the end. However, there really isn't anything that supports Alexis winning. I'm just not sure how sincere the support for Alexis really is. It gets redundant to support someone when there is no longer (and hasn't been for a long time) substance other than a "hunch". Maybe troll was not a good word to use. I apologize. Hey, no problem. I accept your apology. I'm sticking to my original winner pick. My gut worked for me with Todd over spoiled Amanda. I gotta trust it again. Believe me, if Alexis ever gets an INV, I'll drop her as my winner pick so fast, that it'll make everyone's head spin. Well...I supported Todd over Amanda as well despite all the articles on this forum so it's a pity that one of us is going to have to be wrong this time :) Anyway, if we just wait for a few weeks everything will be solved because well, then the Finale will be shown...Still as I said before, if Cirie does win, especially after the Todd/Amanda fiasco, I think it would really discredit the Edgic community here, though not necessarily Edgic itself. Of course if Parvati/Alexis wins I'd have to take a good hard look at my own method of picking winners. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/20/08 10:10 AM. Edited 1 times.
Oowatanite		#490	[-]
Posts: 4929 (03/20/08 10:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob wrote: Oowatanite wrote: I'm sticking to my original winner pick. My gut worked for me with Todd over spoiled Amanda. I gotta trust it again. Believe me, if Alexis ever gets an INV, I'll drop her as my winner pick so fast, that it'll make everyone's head spin. Well...I supported Todd over Amanda as well despite all the articles on this forum so it's a pity that one of us is going to have to be wrong this time :) Anyway, if we just wait for a few weeks everything will be solved because well, then the Finale will be shown...Still as I said before, if Cirie does win, especially after the Todd/Amanda fiasco, I think it would really discredit the Edgic community here, though not necessarily Edgic itself. Of course if Parvati/Alexis wins I'd have to take a good hard look at my own method of picking winners. Hey, things may change in the next few episodes. Natalie could make a big comeback and blow everyone away ! I agree that Edgic screwed up last season. Todd had the best Edgic edit from Episode one. Amanda's edit was quite bad early in the game but her worst point edgically was that Todd had such a good Edgic edit, it overshadowed Amanda and PG and everyone's else's Edgic edit. This season, there was too much "Tracy could win edgically", even though she got that killer early INV. A lot of time and posts were wasted on Tracy's chances. Sad to say, the quality of edgicers has gone down substantially since the good old days. Too many quality Edgic veterans left and there are not enough quality newbies to replace them. And it didn't help that respected pros Warrior and flf jumped on the Amanda bandwagon early and refused to get off as the bandwagon careened toward the cliff. A lot of Amanda's Edgic support was due to the respect edgicers have for Warrior and flf.
Jedijake		#491	[-]
Posts: 4969 (03/20/08 11:39 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You and I both know that there are no "winner" spoilers out there, but the unspoiled posters in Edgic do not know that or are very suspicious of that. And your "Cirie wins, it's obvious" posts did remind me of ILT's Amanda posts last season. True, but the same can be said about anything pointing to an Alexis-win theory too. However, Cirie's edit follows the pattern of several of the last few winners. This season started extremely strong in the editing department. It has fallen through a filter and many who were once strong contenders have fallen off the face of the Earth. And not just become quiet but have all but become completely invisible. It's a shame that the producers cannot make this game more suspenseful. But how many people "speculate" that someone else will win just to avoid the obvious? That happened last season with Amanda. I think that many people stated that Amanda would win to avoid the inevitable that Todd was the clear winner. At this point, unless Cirie kills kittens, so to speak, she is my pick to win hands down. (even if she's a tad bit evil and negative at times)
Oowatanite		#492	[-]
Posts: 4931 (03/20/08 11:49 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: At this point, unless Cirie kills kittens, so to speak, she is my pick to win hands down. (even if she's a tad bit evil and negative at times) [ Oo looks forward to Jedi's new winner pick when Cirie is shown next episode "murdering" the three chickens in a fit of rage after Erik gushes about Ozzy one too many times ]
SurvivorFanGP		#493	[-]
Posts: 5603 (03/20/08 12:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: SurvivorFanGP wrote: Cirie's not any different from than she was in EI. Steph wasn't any different in Guatemala than she was in Palau. Some of the haters act like they're bipolar and go through personality shifts between seasons. Huh ? Cirie's edit is VERY MUCH different than it was in EI. Just like Steph's edit was VERY MUCH different than it was in Palau. And why did Steph get this different (ie more negative) edit in Guatemala ? Because she lost. And she lost BIG-TIME. *Six to One*. I expect that Cirie will suffer the same fate in the F3 of this season. You just proved my point. The EDIT is different, but Stephenie was still the same arrogant, bitchy person that she was in Palau. The contestants (Ian in particular) have even said she acted the same in Palau as what they saw in Guatemala. The point is that through clever editing, you can be portrayed differently, but Steph didn't go through a split-personality phase and just randomly turn into an uber bitch in Guatemala. The edit in Guatemela just put more emphasis on what was already there. The point being Cirie isn't any different, the edit is just putting more emphasis on her snarky side and not the positive things she said in EI. Oh, and Dani sucks. She was a whiney bitch. Dick > dog turd > Dani
Oowatanite		#494	[-]
Posts: 4932 (03/20/08 12:56 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorFanGP wrote: You just proved my point. The EDIT is different, but Stephenie was still the same arrogant, bitchy person that she was in Palau. The contestants (Ian in particular) have even said she acted the same in Palau as what they saw in Guatemala. The point is that through clever editing, you can be portrayed differently, but Steph didn't go through a split-personality phase and just randomly turn into an uber bitch in Guatemala. The edit in Guatemela just put more emphasis on what was already there. The point being Cirie isn't any different, the edit is just putting more emphasis on her snarky side and not the positive things she said in EI. We're talking about the edits Cirie and Steph received, not their real-lfe personalities. Steph received a positive underdog heroine edit in Palau and a bitchy whiny dictator edit in Guatemala. Cirie received a positive underdog heroine edit in EI and a somewhat bitchy whiny dictator edit (so far) in Micronesia. Could Cirie's edit revert back to "positive underdog heroine" again before the season's over ? Yup. Could she win this season ? Yup. But not with her current edit, IMHO.
Trixiego		#495	[-]
Posts: 13935 (03/20/08 1:04 PM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As an aside....... I think the Anatomy of a Victory sign is being overanalyzed personally towards any one person The anatomy of something is the structure of something, two fingers are being held up - sounds more like to me the "anatomy" of a "victory" is the structure surrounding the victory (IOW) TWO people (two fingers) and it will be a final two, not three as we have seen. So, personally, hints towards x-rays and contestant's careers and a "V" to Pavarti may be a bit of overthinking. The fact that VG posted TWO people (women) in her avi BEFORE the season started adds to the two person final.
Kirblar		#496	[-]
Posts: 6075 (03/20/08 1:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If there's 2 people at the end, then we have a 3-3-1 tie that ejects the third place finisher, causing a revote.
Trixiego		#497	[-]
Posts: 13936 (03/20/08 1:30 PM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And the jury amount or dynamics was provided where? Reading that again or perhaps I am reading you wrong, why would there be a 3-3-1 vote for a final two? Last Edited By: Trixiego 03/20/08 1:34 PM. Edited 1 times.
Jedijake		#498	[-]
Posts: 4970 (03/20/08 3:06 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Could Cirie's edit revert back to "positive underdog heroine" again before the season's over ? Yup. Could she win this season ? Yup. But not with her current edit, IMHO. That's where I draw the similarity between Cirie now and Chris in Vanuatu. Chris's edit in Vanuatu in the first half was one of "taking out the strong because I myself am weak" and we hated that. Then, as the others (Ami's group) began to eat each other apart, we slowly rooted for Chris. Was Chris all that different during the merge than he was before the merge? Not much. It's just the dynamics around him changed so he became more favorable. I see the same thing happening to Cirie. Right now she's dictating the boots (but did you notice how most of that tribe is putting blame on Ozzy?). With the new alliance forming that includes Parvati-Alexis-Natalie, I can see the tension surrounding the Parvati-James-Amanda-Ozzy 4-some breaking each other apart and Parvati possibly betraying Alexis/Natalie, thus destroying that trust. So we potentially have: Parvati betraying James Parvati betraying Alexis and Natalie down the line Amanda possibly eventually turning her back against Ozzy Cirie setting all of this up Cirie ONLY has alliances with Amanda and Parvati Result: Parvati and Amanda both burn people they've made alliances with BECAUSE they were controlled by smooth talking Cirie Those burned by Parvati and Amanda have no reason to be upset at Cirie because they were never really aligned with her anyway By doing so, Cirie makes sure she doesn't end up sitting next to underdog, sweet, fans but rather backstabbing pseudo-favs And if those aren't reasons enough for Cirie to win, I don't know what are. Having a final 3 or 4 of people who have hardly had stories before the merge is rediculous. I can understand 1 or 2 non-entities, but not a complete final of non-entities.
DevilChild255		#499	[-]
Posts: 70 (03/20/08 3:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor Fever has Alexis, Amanda, Parv, and Nat all listed under "late game" while Cirie is "Mid-jury-Late game" which indicates the possibility that Ciries is indeed thrown under the bus (BB fan, anybody?) by Amanda and Parvati. I'm not saying that Fever's going to be 100% accurate but they've been accurate so far this season so there's nothing to indicate that it's not a plausible scenario. That said, if the scenario were to play out, I can now easily see why Alexis would win. Amanda and Parvati will have screwed over three people who could be bitter (James, Ozzy, Cirie) while Alexis can argue from the "Last fan standing" viewpoint. She's going to get some respect for that and her fellow fans in the jury will more than likely vote for her too. Then again, that's not my preferred scenario so I sure as hell hope that this isn't the case.
Kirblar		#500	[-]
Posts: 6077 (03/20/08 4:34 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Trixiego wrote: And the jury amount or dynamics was provided where? Reading that again or perhaps I am reading you wrong, why would there be a 3-3-1 vote for a final two? A tie in the F3 for first place creates an F2 when the third person isremoved. (Same way any other tie is handled.)

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