So as you all know, there was a spoiler back in early December claiming that Jonny Fairplay, Tracy and Yau-Man were seen on a flight together. Everyone seems
to have assumed from this that they were pre-jury boots, even though the poster (Babalu) never claims the flight was pre-jury. In fact, she says the flight
took place on Dec 6th (around when filming ended), and that the entire cast was on the flight, as well as Jeff Probst. It seems pretty clear that this is
cannot be a pre-jury flight, but it doesn't seem like many people have bothered to actually read Babalu's posts. Now today Babalu made a new post that
seems to confirm that everyone was on the flight. Anyway, for the sake of everyone who's taking this spoiler for granted, I thought I would post all of
Babalu's posts here, as a reference. You'll see from what she says (and when) that the flight he's talking about is almost certainly not a pre-jury
flight:
Babalu - Dec 6th
"Well, apparently Continental Micronesia is the official airline of reality show spoilers because Jeff Probst is on my sister's flight today. I don't have any details because she just left me a voicemail message and because she was sort of shrieking, but I'm guessing the flight was from Guam to Honolulu and that the season has just wrapped."
[Note: According to TDT's calendar, filming ended on Dec 6th, the cast and crew departed on the 7th, and they returned home on the 8th. Also, note that there's a large time difference between the US and Micronesia, so it's conceivable that the flight was on Dec 6th in Micronesia, but that it was already Dec 7th here in the US.]
Babalu - Dec 7th
"My sister got home last night and said that JFP was also on the Probst flight from Guam to Honolulu. When I mentioned the rumors about a 1/2-former contestants/1/2-newbies season, she agreed that seemed likely since, sitting next to JFP on the plane was a buxom blonde named Tracy (unknown if that's her real name or a fake name). Tracy said she'd been one of the survivors and that they were all on this flight. Kat (sister) didn't recognize anyone other than Probst (the only one in first class), JFP, and an "older Asian man," whom we believe to be Yau Man. When she's home for more than a day, I'll have her come over and show her pictures of some of the rumored contestants to see if she can ID anyone else."
[So she clearly says here that the entire cast and Jeff Probst are all on the flight.]
crzypunk2004 - Dec 8th
"The People at sucks are speculating that the people that were spotted on the plane could be the pre-jury boots. So if your sister saw any other all stars, then it could mean that they are gone pre-jury. Also JFP is rumored to leave pre-jury. So hopefully your sister did not see Cirie on that Flight. but they also could have just shuffled the castaways."
[The idea that the people on the flight are pre-jury boots is introduced by a different poster.]
Babalu - Dec 8th
"That could be, crazypunk2004, but my sister got the impression that the whole cast/production crew were on the flight from what Tracy said. I'm also not sure why Probst would be on the flight with only the pre-jury boots or why only part of the group would be coming back to/through Honolulu. I did try to ask Kat about Cirie and Jonathan and anybody from the current season, and she said she didn't recognize anybody like that (but that she's really bad at faces), so you could be right.
ETA: I think it's very likely that anybody returning to the Mainland from Palau would go through Guam, so - while it wouldn't be surprising that the early boots were on Guam, it also wouldn't be surprising that the later boots/Final 3/Probst/crew would also return via Guam."
[So Babalu actually disputes the idea that they're pre-jury boots.]
So then today Babalu posts this:
Babalu - Feb 10th
"It's funny that Tracy's first reaction to about JFP was gagging because they were sitting next to each other on the flight from Guam to Honolulu. Tracy apparently had questions about her frequent flier mileage, and JFP was asking my sister Kathleen, the flight attendant, about it for her. (All the while giving off an aura of "I'm the renowned JFP, you know." My sister pretended like she didn't know who he was.)
I went out to dinner tonight with Kat tonight and asked her if Tracy and JFP seemed chummy. She said she couldn't really tell - JFP was sleeping most of the flight - but that Tracy spent a lot of time talking to a fiftyish man seated in another section of the plane. I wondered if it was Jonathan Penner. She wasn't sure, but then she came over to my house to watch the first episode and confirmed that it was indeed Jonathan.
She also recognized Erik (said he had a guitar on the plane) and - she thinks - Kathy and Joel and maybe Jason.
IF this plane was full of early boots, it makes me sad to think Jonathan is one of them. I'm not sure that's true since Probst was on it, and I still don't get why he'd be flying back before the season wrapped. However, Kat also said that a crew member was flying TO Guam (and then to Palau) a couple of days after the aforementioned flight and seemed surprised that people had left already, so maybe it's true.
ETA: Kat just told me that she was working first-class on the Guam-HNL flight so didn't spend a lot of time in coach. There may very well have been more (all of the?) Survivors on the flight."
So you could argue that it's possible that Jonny Fairplay, Tracy, Yau-Man, Jonathan, Jason, Erik, Kathy and Joel are all pre-jury boots, but based on what's said here and the Dec 6th date, it's overwhelmingly more likely that this flight took place after the filming had already ended.
Thoughts?
[Edited to reflect the fact that Babalu is apparently a female. Sorry about that!]
Update: New Post from Babalu
Babalu - Feb. 12th
" I just posted the following on TWoP and thought I owed you guys an explanation and apology as well:
HA on us (my sister and me)! And apologies to all of you.
Kathy now says that - having seen the first episode and processing it - she's pretty sure it wasn't Jonny Fairplay sitting next to Tracy, after all. She currently thinks (but isn't sure) that it was Chet.
The reason she thought it was JFP (besides the fact that she's abysmal at faces, to which we've previously freely admitted) was that Probst was on the flight, so the flight crew was looking out for other Survivor-type folks and that JFP had been spotted going to Palau by one of her co-workers.
She then proceeded to give stink-eye to poor Chet (or whoever it was). So Chet - if you're reading this and it was you, she apologizes and says that, while she has many gays at work, she'd love it if you'd consider being her main gay.
I don't even know why I'm still posting about this in the Spoiler thread, except that some people (not me) seem to think this flight is somehow related to the boot order.
SO sorry for the misinformation and confusion!"
Babalu - Dec 6th
"Well, apparently Continental Micronesia is the official airline of reality show spoilers because Jeff Probst is on my sister's flight today. I don't have any details because she just left me a voicemail message and because she was sort of shrieking, but I'm guessing the flight was from Guam to Honolulu and that the season has just wrapped."
[Note: According to TDT's calendar, filming ended on Dec 6th, the cast and crew departed on the 7th, and they returned home on the 8th. Also, note that there's a large time difference between the US and Micronesia, so it's conceivable that the flight was on Dec 6th in Micronesia, but that it was already Dec 7th here in the US.]
Babalu - Dec 7th
"My sister got home last night and said that JFP was also on the Probst flight from Guam to Honolulu. When I mentioned the rumors about a 1/2-former contestants/1/2-newbies season, she agreed that seemed likely since, sitting next to JFP on the plane was a buxom blonde named Tracy (unknown if that's her real name or a fake name). Tracy said she'd been one of the survivors and that they were all on this flight. Kat (sister) didn't recognize anyone other than Probst (the only one in first class), JFP, and an "older Asian man," whom we believe to be Yau Man. When she's home for more than a day, I'll have her come over and show her pictures of some of the rumored contestants to see if she can ID anyone else."
[So she clearly says here that the entire cast and Jeff Probst are all on the flight.]
crzypunk2004 - Dec 8th
"The People at sucks are speculating that the people that were spotted on the plane could be the pre-jury boots. So if your sister saw any other all stars, then it could mean that they are gone pre-jury. Also JFP is rumored to leave pre-jury. So hopefully your sister did not see Cirie on that Flight. but they also could have just shuffled the castaways."
[The idea that the people on the flight are pre-jury boots is introduced by a different poster.]
Babalu - Dec 8th
"That could be, crazypunk2004, but my sister got the impression that the whole cast/production crew were on the flight from what Tracy said. I'm also not sure why Probst would be on the flight with only the pre-jury boots or why only part of the group would be coming back to/through Honolulu. I did try to ask Kat about Cirie and Jonathan and anybody from the current season, and she said she didn't recognize anybody like that (but that she's really bad at faces), so you could be right.
ETA: I think it's very likely that anybody returning to the Mainland from Palau would go through Guam, so - while it wouldn't be surprising that the early boots were on Guam, it also wouldn't be surprising that the later boots/Final 3/Probst/crew would also return via Guam."
[So Babalu actually disputes the idea that they're pre-jury boots.]
So then today Babalu posts this:
Babalu - Feb 10th
"It's funny that Tracy's first reaction to about JFP was gagging because they were sitting next to each other on the flight from Guam to Honolulu. Tracy apparently had questions about her frequent flier mileage, and JFP was asking my sister Kathleen, the flight attendant, about it for her. (All the while giving off an aura of "I'm the renowned JFP, you know." My sister pretended like she didn't know who he was.)
I went out to dinner tonight with Kat tonight and asked her if Tracy and JFP seemed chummy. She said she couldn't really tell - JFP was sleeping most of the flight - but that Tracy spent a lot of time talking to a fiftyish man seated in another section of the plane. I wondered if it was Jonathan Penner. She wasn't sure, but then she came over to my house to watch the first episode and confirmed that it was indeed Jonathan.
She also recognized Erik (said he had a guitar on the plane) and - she thinks - Kathy and Joel and maybe Jason.
IF this plane was full of early boots, it makes me sad to think Jonathan is one of them. I'm not sure that's true since Probst was on it, and I still don't get why he'd be flying back before the season wrapped. However, Kat also said that a crew member was flying TO Guam (and then to Palau) a couple of days after the aforementioned flight and seemed surprised that people had left already, so maybe it's true.
ETA: Kat just told me that she was working first-class on the Guam-HNL flight so didn't spend a lot of time in coach. There may very well have been more (all of the?) Survivors on the flight."
So you could argue that it's possible that Jonny Fairplay, Tracy, Yau-Man, Jonathan, Jason, Erik, Kathy and Joel are all pre-jury boots, but based on what's said here and the Dec 6th date, it's overwhelmingly more likely that this flight took place after the filming had already ended.
Thoughts?
[Edited to reflect the fact that Babalu is apparently a female. Sorry about that!]
Update: New Post from Babalu
Babalu - Feb. 12th
" I just posted the following on TWoP and thought I owed you guys an explanation and apology as well:
HA on us (my sister and me)! And apologies to all of you.
Kathy now says that - having seen the first episode and processing it - she's pretty sure it wasn't Jonny Fairplay sitting next to Tracy, after all. She currently thinks (but isn't sure) that it was Chet.
The reason she thought it was JFP (besides the fact that she's abysmal at faces, to which we've previously freely admitted) was that Probst was on the flight, so the flight crew was looking out for other Survivor-type folks and that JFP had been spotted going to Palau by one of her co-workers.
She then proceeded to give stink-eye to poor Chet (or whoever it was). So Chet - if you're reading this and it was you, she apologizes and says that, while she has many gays at work, she'd love it if you'd consider being her main gay.
I don't even know why I'm still posting about this in the Spoiler thread, except that some people (not me) seem to think this flight is somehow related to the boot order.
SO sorry for the misinformation and confusion!"
