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JaMalle |
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This was a great thread. Too bad most of it was deleted.
Loyalist(s)- Bruce, Shane Goat(s)- Courtney Schemer(s)- Terry, Cirie, Aras, Danielle. I think Bruce/Shane gets burned for being loyal to just the Casayas, even though he asked for his promise to the Casaya 4 to be withdrawn. Craig, I'm hoping to get your opinion on this matter. |
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why was it deleted?
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Re: Loyalists, Schemers, and Goats (Strategy and Ethics) | ||
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It feel victim to the Unknown Poster hacker, and\or the measures Ezboard took to deal with it.
Terry isn't a classic schemer, rather he thinks players should be cut from his team based on challenge performance rather than friendship, etc. He takes a coldly managerial attitude. Cirie might have been a loyalist to Melinda and Ruth Marie, but is very much the gamer with everyone on Casaya. They in turn are all better friends with someone other than her (DDL and Court for example). Danielle showed Loyalist instincts in turning down Terry's deal, and keepin Bruce (whom she respected) over Bob Dawg. Keeping Loyalist Outsider Bruce over Schemer Outsider Bob Dawg was a brilliant move. Aras, I don't really know what's up with that dude. He's a Yoga master, an athlete, and an MBA, so it's hard to say how he thinks. Courtney and Shane have been edited as potential goats, to hard to say if that's reality or just editing. |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
Re: Loyalists, Schemers, and Goats (Strategy and Ethics) | ||
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The Loyalist / Schemer divide is only half the equation - the other is in regard to leadership, whether taking control or avoiding it. This results in four broad categories:
Chief - Loyalist Leader. They count on building a loyal team around them where they count on winning because they deserve it the most (at least in their own minds). Tom is the only Chief to have ever won. The only other one to get close was Lex. (Note that since they tend to associate the team with themselves, loyalty to the team is best associated with loyalty to them.) Follower - Loyalist Follower. They count on fitting in with the group or alliance and tend to stick with that alliance, sometimes even in losing situations. Since they put so much stock in loyalty, they are often very angered by the betrayals of others, real or perceived. Winning Followers - Ethan, Jenna, Sandra(?), Amber. Mastermind - Schemer Leader. They control and manipulate the tribe to set up their best opportunities for winning. Unlike with a chief, the tribe is just a means to the end. Winning Masterminds - Rich, Tina(?), Brian, Chris(?). Opportunist - Schemer Follower. They avoid direct control, preferring to remain out of the spotlight, but they are always looking for their self-interest and thus are willing to betray trust if necessary. Winning Opportunists - Tina(?), Vecepia, Sandra(?), Chris(?). Further notes on those with ?. Sandra was a player whose instincts were to be loyal despite her famous willingness to vote out anyone as long as it wasn't her. Tina began as an opportunist, but when control was given to her, she didn't let go of it and finished the game as a mastermind. Chris is the opposite, beginning as a mastermind on the men's tribe, but switching to opportunist mode once he lost his power base. I'm having difficulty placing Danni, perhaps because we weren't given much evidence. I'm leaning toward an opportunist with loyalist tendencies and subtle control ambitions. She doesn't really fit the follower mold since she was a driving force in both early Nakum and in post-switch Yaxha, but she also didn't cling to power like a chief or mastermind and didn't really seek an obvious role. Opportunist probably fits best. On to this season - Terry is a chief. He tried to build and lead his tribe to victory, but it is all done openly without much if any manipulation. But since like most chiefs, he sees the team's goal as being his victory, it is hardly surprising that he allowed his teammates to sacrifice themselves ahead of him. Dan was a follower. Loyalist to the extreme. Austin was a follower, albeit with some opportunist inclinations. In the end, he repudiated his opportunist opportunities. Nick was a follower, from what we could tell. Ruth Marie was a follower as well. Sally also came across as a follower, but that may be because she wasn't given a good opportunity to capitalize on. Misty was more of an opportunist. Unfortunately, for her, she was recognized as such and that's partly what led to her boot. Tina was likely an opportunist, but she didn't really stick around long enough to find out (though not revealing the oyster stock sounds like a very opportunist type move). Melinda seems to have been a follower type. Bobby was definitely an opportunist, but he wasn't very good at it. Shane's a chief. He's the one who tried to establish an alliance off the bat and has been the biggest cheerleader for a united Casaya. His swearing fixation also fits the loyalty theme. Aras is likely a frustrated mastermind, who can't quite get the control of the alliance he craves. Courtney is an opportunist, definitely willing to let others lead unless it doesn't fit her plans. Danielle is either an opportunist or a follower, but I lean toward the former at present. We should learn more before the series is over. Cirie is definitely an opportunist - perhaps the new poster child for what an opportunist is. Bruce is most likely a frustrated chief. He wanted to lead, but no one would really follow, and they didn't fear him enough to remove him either. As a result, he's either reluctantly accepted a follower's role, or he's on the lookout for an opportunity (probably moreso the former). |
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JaMalle |
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I'd say Sandra was an loyalist follower pre-Christa boot. After that point, she became a full-time opportunist. She never stayed loyal to anyone person and she let them know this. From one TC voting against Lil to the next TC voting with her against another threat proves this.
I'd agree on the Danni thing. But she was VERY similar to Chris. She starts off as a mastermind schemer: aligning with the strong Nakum girls pre-switch; voting Blake/Brian off; recruiting the strongest men as allies post-switch; given the power to choose Amy as an ally. Then she slowly but surely lost all power post merge, being forced to go into oppurtunistic mode. But it was strange, because the only person she was loyal to was Rafe. Danni- Schemer leader pre-Merge, schemer follower post-merge. Danielle is most defintely an opportunistic leader, if that's possible. 10 minutes before TC, she decides she wants Bob Dawg gone, and poof, he's gone. She also had the power to sway Bruce to switch to La Mina5, and get the HII. though, she had no definate guarantee of trust between Terry, and her position in Casaya is good right now. |
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Quote:Nope. She clearly admitted that if she won the last IC, she was getting rid of Rafe no matter what (promise or no promise) Judd, Cindy and Lydia were Steph's puppets, Steph was Rafe's puppet and Rafe became Danni's puppet. Which just makes Danni's win more impressive now that I think about it. She clearly identified who was controlling whom in New Nakum and toppled that whole alliance by placing herself on top of the manipulation chain. It was very similar to how Tina took control of the game in the Outback. I'm still convinced that if it weren't for the fact that Guatemala was the "Steph show" they would've shown us more of Danni's gameplay and she'd be considered a brilliant player by most people. But no, they decided to focus on Steph so much that it made Danni look like she came out of nowhere and won by a fluke. |
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