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I think Amanda being a "known pair" with Todd was both a distraction and a red herring set up through very effective editing. From what we've heard from the post-show interviews, Courtney was the closest one to Todd.

But this being Edgic, it doesn't matter what the REAL situation was; it matters what we were SHOWN. We were SHOWN Todd and Amanda forming an alliance in the beginning, and powwows between them almost every episode "checking in" with each other. "Known Pair" in Edgic means "...as edited".

However, it sounds like there is a populist movement to ax this guideline, so the above is irrelevant (like most of my ramblings).

This season represents another blown chance for edgic to show why it's more fun than boot spoilers. I'm not saying you couldn't stretch edgic to fit Amanda, but having not been privy to the day to day here, it's hard for me to see how she wins an edgic argument over Todd (of even PG for that matter). To me it's Chris all over again, the edgic screams one player, spoilers say differently and somehow edgic gravitates toward the spoilers, sigh.

I for one avoided the spoilers like the plague, but tentatively considered Amanda because I was on the "anybody but Todd" bandwagon. I still say Peih-Gee's edit was the most tended and manipulated (and of course her MOR differential was prime), but enough people (I don't know whether they were spoiled or not) were plugging for Amanda that I had to keep considering her. I eliminated Todd from the start due to his "in your face"-ness, and partly due to wishful thinking against yet another Brian/Tom/Earl winner who was telegraphed from early on.

The editors are not as concerned about the "surprise". Since the success of Tom's story I think the editors realized that they didn't have to hide the winner as much to have a satisfying resolution for the audience.

I guess the one aspect I'm trying to reach for is that Todd wasn't eliminated as a winner via the merge by tone as much as being too visible and having too much screen time.

Exactly. I still can't quite fathom how his MOR diff was so favorable, as I'd have thought him to be way high in visibility. OTH dissected it thoroughly, however, so I'll go with his assessment. Of course, then there is the whole MOR/CP "which is 4 and which is 3" question where CP is rated "lower" than MOR and thus closer to the middle, and Todd's string of CPs naturally pulled him toward the center. "MOR" as 4 on a scale of 5 isn't really "MOR" at all :)

A distraction is already in the guidelines as a player that is "often OTT". A player who is CP in three straight episodes is not a distraction based on rating, as that player is not OTT.

And here I will say that there is a certain kind of "OTT CP" that is a little of both ratings. Todd is a textbook example. Another name that has been used is "strategic distraction", where someone edit consists of "strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy" all in your face. This usually gets a rating of CP but is its own certain kind of "OTT". Todd was, to many of us, a BIG distraction, but it wasn't in the usual funny/silly/tantrum-throwing ways, rather in scheming and plotting. And that's why he was off my list from the start, despite so many "million dollar quotes". I saw him as being set up for a massive fall.

Of course, since he DID win, it shows that my interpretation of Edgic must not be so spot-on. :-/ Still, I fell "cheated" by the Eds because when Edgic is fun is when someone like Peih-Gee wins, with her mysterious tending and unanswered threads throughout. But, they don't edit the show for Edgic detectives, they edit it for the masses.

OTH's proposals to guideline tweaks:

- add an observation about Edgic finding the winner pre-merge since technically it is only stated in the Overseer's post, not in the guidelines (unless I missed it), feel free to edit, but here's an idea

If this is true, then Winner Picks should stop after that episode.

discussion of Tone changes, potentially adding some type of calculation for "good" and "bad" N and P. A few have expressed a desire to leave Tone alone.

Since Edgic is supposed to be mathematically expressable, I'm not sure how "good" and "bad" N (is there "bad P"?) can be quantified. Not that I disagree that such qualitative Tone exists. to add it to the guildelines, I think we'd have to go back to previous seasons and categorize the N/P as "good or bad" for each previous instance and find trends.

- changing Observation #6 to remove the old #5 and #6 mentions.

Wholeheartedly agreed.

I wanted to also propose giving a better definition of a "distraction", since the term comes up so much. Here's my wording, again, for example only

"Typically the winner is surrounded by "distractions" who keep our focus from the winner. Distractions are players who are often OTT. The winner is typically surrounded by a core group of players where the complexity and strategy is centered. This core group can be a combination of members of more than one, original tribe."

The last comma doesn't belong there :) I don't have the current definition handy, but I liked the part about distractions serving "to pull the focus away from the winner" or whatever; that phrase was the best encaptulation of the concept of distractions when I was first learning about Edgic.

potentially removing the known pair observation, or refining it, and changing "final 2" to a different phrase

As often as this has failed, I don't see a need to keep it at all. All it really does is serve to eliminate two players off the bat, no matter how solid their Edgic is in every other way. And, as we've seen, it doesn't even always work. The backpedalling qualification "unless it can't be avoided e.g. Rob/Amber" only serves to water it down anyway.