S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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Kitty Pryde1		#4701	[-]
Posts: 3992 (05/09/08 3:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Another thing that strikes me as odd about Parvati. Look at the confessional thread. The lowest ranking winner in terms of overall number of confessionals is Vecepia with 38. With one episode left, Parvati would need an overall 16 confessionals in the next episode just to TIE Vecepia. This brings me to another point. While Parvati may have had high visibility at times, a lot of her negativity (and she HAS/ been negative) has been outwardly expressed. I mean, Brian was an ass, but he had a lot of negativity in his confessionals. Todd was a bitch but a lot of HIS negativity came from confessionals. In terms of confessionals that are supposed to make us doubt, Cirie has a lot of that, just like Todd did last season.
guatemala fanfic		#4702	[-]
Posts: 3201 (05/09/08 3:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Another thing that strikes me as odd about Parvati. Look at the confessional thread. The lowest ranking winner in terms of overall number of confessionals is Vecepia with 38. With one episode left, Parvati would need an overall 16 confessionals in the next episode just to TIE Vecepia. This brings me to another point. While Parvati may have had high visibility at times, a lot of her negativity (and she HAS/ been negative) has been outwardly expressed. I mean, Brian was an ass, but he had a lot of negativity in his confessionals. Todd was a bitch but a lot of HIS negativity came from confessionals. In terms of confessionals that are supposed to make us doubt, Cirie has a lot of that, just like Todd did last season. I was thinking about the confessionals too and it's weird because it's pretty much like last season. Todd had 40 or 50 something (like Cirie this season) and then everyone else just had in the 20s (like Parvati and Amanda), and Parvati's count seems really low for her to be the winner. She's 20 behind Cirie, but I guess that's not necessarily Edgic. This season has been low on confessionals, I believe...
AllMenAreIslands		#4703	[-]
Posts: 23698 (05/09/08 3:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Actually, much of Parvati's negativity HAS been in confessionals. She's been kind, and straightforward with people to their faces. Also, let's bear in mind that this was a 20 person season. Compare only with other 20 person seasons (I think there was maybe one other.) It's not a huge difference, but it's some, when there are 4 other people in the cast. It's true that there have been a couple of quiet players, but there have also been a number of episodes revolving around a single player who was leaving the game for medical reasons of one kind or another. So the number of opportunities for meaningful confessionals is again reduced. I'm still worried about Cirie - she's very high viz compared to everyone else in the entire game, but perhaps given her exemplary gameplay, that's the route MP wanted to take this time. Feature the winner heavily, having set it up that such high visibility usually means the person does not win. If Cirie won, what guidelines would need a tweakin'?
GrenadeJumper85		#4704	[-]
Posts: 4686 (05/09/08 4:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	About the high visibility - didn't Todd have that too. I can't think of a single episode where Todd fell under the radar, or didn't have a significant amount of face time. Todd completely DEMOLISHED everyone of his castmates last season in the visibility department If we're comparing edits of the past couple of winners, Cirie is the only one this season that is even close to them. The thing that brings up warnings signs in Parvati's edit, was the edit episode one, then completely falling off the radar until the merge.
cindidindi76		#4705	[-]
Posts: 10454 (05/09/08 4:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Francois40 wrote: Can the idol be used at F4? If it can, and Parvati is booted because she didn't bother to look for it while she had the chance, THEN she can be labeled stupid or cocky. For the moment, she seems to be correct in thinking she's safe. F5 was it; someone said that this was the last time it could have been played. Jeff Probst said it at the RC, this was the last TC it could be used. So clearly, not looking for it didn't hurt her any.
craig		#4706	[-]
Posts: 13048 (05/09/08 4:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati was good in ep.3-4 too. She was MOR3\CP4 (borderline) in ep.3 and had a good scene with Eliza ep.4 when they didn't go to TC. Parvati talks a lot outside of confessionals. I don't think they rely on them as much as they once did. The editing has been more democratic than in Cook Islands, where there were many more Alexis and Mary type characters. If you told me the bare bones events of last episode, I'd predict Parv would have a quiet episode. She goes to exile, doesn't find the idol, and is not close with Erik (only met at merge) so doesn't have the leverage to manipulate him. Amanda manipulated Erik and went on reward. Cirie manipulated Nat back at camp. There's wasn't a big role for Parv, and after 5 straight CP episodes with 3-4 Vis why bother inventing one? Erik's Story Arx Erik was the only man to get the better of a women this season (Ami's boot), and ended up being the guy most thoroughl outwitted. Erik wanted to be like Ozzy - he got to have a S13 IC run and get blindsided like in S16. Cirie being the driving force in his boot was foreshadowed in ep.7, when Cirie was making fun of him and Ozzy, Last Edited By: craig 05/09/08 4:27 PM. Edited 1 times.
SFC		#4707	[-]
Posts: 311 (05/09/08 4:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The only thing keeping me back on 100% Parv Pick is the Low confessional Numbers. She has had 22, in Cook Islands she had 3 more at this point. Even Amber and Danni had roughly 5-10 more confessionals than her at this point
NickF227		#4708	[-]
Posts: 2572 (05/09/08 4:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Okay, I think I'm gonna try this: Erik: OTTM4 Amanda: CPM4 Cirie: MORN4 Natalie: CPM3 Parvarti: UTR2
gretchensucks		#4709	[-]
Posts: 499 (05/09/08 5:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	catfishbarb wrote: gretchensucks wrote: When I was talking about Parvati's not looking for the idol edit, I was talking about the edit, not the content. The way is was portrayed was the classic setup for a fall in the end. The sunning herself, the music, it was very Ozzy-esque with the cockiness portrayal. Survivor loves to bring people like that down. If they wanted to present the fact that she didn't need to look for the idol, they could have presented it in a more neutral way than they did. It was cute, and I found it funny...but I've seen them use edits like that before and it isn't a good sighn for Parvati's chances IMO. I thought is was similar to something Richard H or Brian H would have said, even Jenna M. Again...not the content of what she said, but the way it was portrayed. They editing made her look dumb, not manipulative as they would have portrayed Brian or Richard. They music, shots, etc were not typical winner style.
Jedijake		#4710	[-]
Posts: 5132 (05/09/08 5:38 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just don't get it. I must be missing something huge. What's the hoopla with Parvati? At this point in the season, how is she getting a "perfect winner's edit"? By what merit is she getting that much of a better edit than Cirie or, since the merge, Amanda? What am I missing? Also, on what merit would/could she win a jury vote against either Amanda or Cirie? Of course we know she could win against Natalie, but is that even up for discussion? Amanda's got the popularity. Cirie's got the brains and the brilliant gameplay PLUS she's offended less people. Between the hints that Parvati is lazy, has betrayed people from the frontline in her close alliances, the way she treated Eliza, talked crap about Ozzy, Jason, and of cousre Erik using the words she used, and the fact that almost everyone in the final 7 plainly said she was the one who THINKS she is controlling the game (meaning she isn't) WHAT on Earth entitles her to a win? We've seen every reason why she should lose and every reason why Amanda and Cirie could win. Strategy? Looking back, has she really been THAT good of a strategist? She made an alliance with Alexis and Natalie. Big freaking deal. That actually goes against her original alliance. Dunno-she's been a decent contender but NEVER a front runner in terms of edgic in my mind. Okay, maybe one week, but that was after giving the due doubt to Cirie. That temporary doubt does not add up to a tenth of the doubt that Parvati's gotten for a LONG time. As stated before, Parvati would need a Clay, Twila, Matt, or Katie to win. She has none of them. She doesn't even have a Stephanie or Danielle (well maybe Natalie, but again-is that even up for discussion?) Meanwhile, with Cirie, you have people being so technical by saying she didn't quite have a first episode or a merge episode required for a win. Huh? Last I checked she wasn't even close to being invisible in either. She wasn't even close to being severely neglected either-just not the most prevelent person in those episodes. And the nice cool down in the merge coupled with the important edits in the boots she was truly involved with says something. To me, that balances the heavy edit she got in several episodes before the merge. She was ALWAYS shown weighing in when she had a hand in voting someone out. As we move into the finale, I'd say Cirie is the hands-down winner pick. If she gets booted before the end, then I would have to go with Amanda as the winner at this point. It was not just one good episode she had but several (if not all) since the merge.
Kitty Pryde1		#4711	[-]
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Jenny du Jour		#4712	[-]
Posts: 902 (05/09/08 5:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm new to this edgic thing but I find it fascinating especially since I'm sick and I have nothing else to do but sit here and read all this. But does anyone else think that Parvati's thing looks a lot like Amanda's from last season? (Sorry for linking I'll take them down if you want) So they start off with like half UTR and 1 CP and a couple of MORs and then they start getting CP toward the end with a UTR thrown in.
Saffron22		#4713	[-]
Posts: 29 (05/09/08 6:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is starting to feel like S11 where everyone's edit is flawed in one way or another. Parvati - UTR for several episodes in a row, borderline INV episode, weak episode this week Amanda - UTR for several early episodes, INV episode Cirie - weak first episode and weak merge episode Natalie - INV episodes I guess Parvati is still the best choice. But I'm not confident about it at all. Last Edited By: Saffron22 05/09/08 6:19 PM. Edited 2 times.
BlakeB717		#4714	[-]
Posts: 898 (05/09/08 6:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm rewatching Episode One. That is really, at the end of the day, the episode that matters. It outlines the player for the season, and introduces any downflaws to the big characters as well.
GretchenIsMyGod		#4715	[-]
Posts: 3088 (05/09/08 6:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have not had Cirie as my pick at all, and only recently has she made number 2 for me, but I've got to say Cirie wins at this point. Parvati will have to face Amanda, Cirie or both at the final TC. I cannot fathom a situation in which she would beat either of these 2. Parvati may fit Edgic guidelines the best, but that doesn't mean I think she's winning. Not bad, Edgic Guidelines, but not good enough. Maybe you can improve your game next time.
gretchensucks		#4716	[-]
Posts: 504 (05/09/08 6:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Saffron22 wrote: This is starting to feel like S11 where everyone's edit is flawed in one way or another. Parvati - UTR for several episodes in a row, borderline INV episode, weak episode this week Amanda - UTR for several early episodes, INV episode Cirie - weak first episode and weak merge episode Natalie - INV episodes I guess Parvati is still the best choice. But I'm not confident about it at all. To be fair, the purposefully had to hide Cirie's strategy through the initial episodes to create the much desired tension within the favorites tribe.
AnneZob		#4717	[-]
Posts: 103 (05/09/08 6:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	jediijake, I have to disagree with you on the fact that Amanda would be the No. 2 pick if Cirie didn't win. Cirie is my No. 1 pick but I have to say that my number two would be Parvati. The problem with Amanda is that her pre-merge edit was just abyssmal. It is only since the merge she has emerged and it just reminds me too much of China where Amanda was the post-merge distraction for Todd. For those who say that Parvati only has so few confessionals because there were 20 people - look at how many confessionals Cirie has been getting (though still in the realm of past winners). Obviously having 20 people haven't stopped them from jacking up Cirie's number of confessionals so obviously it is nothing to do with the number of people. Added to this there are the other things I pointed out before like the complex tribe always staying with Cirie, when she is not directly in the action only giving fluffy comments to Parvati and giving strategy comments to Cirie etc. I've talked about his many times. The most energy and care in editing has gone to Cirie. To me, actually Parvati's edit reads "distraction". Her edit is too inconsistent. She is pulled out when needed and not totally ignored, but given fluffy statements to make when she is not. She is highly visible but they don't give her the actual face time (confessionals) to back up a highly visible winner. If her role is as distraction it also explains why she dropped off so dramatically post-swap. Ozzy took the role of highly visible distraction. Outwardly Parvati looks like a potential winner but they after they haven't bothered to spend the time and energy to provide substance to that edit. To the average viewer she looks less like a potential winner now because of the negativity and surprise, Amanda emerges. The only person that has been consistent through the whole season is Cirie. I have to say that I think people who think Parvati will win are possibly making a similar mistake to those who thought Alexis would win, though to a lot less degree because Parvati's edit has been a lot better than Alexis. They are basing too much on the comment Parvati made in Episode 1 where she talks about switching up her game. My philosophy on editing is this - winner "comments" (and animal imagery) take very little effort on the part of the editors. They can and do throw them around willy nilly and people tend to suffer selective memory in that they remember what Danni said in Episode 1 but they forget the fact that a good deal of the losers had "winner comments" too. What is important is things that take a lot of energy on the part of the editors. I'm not saying that choosing Parvati is based solely on that Episode 1 comment - as I said, Parvati is the 2nd of the remaining 4 that I would choose - but I do wonder if Parvati would be so popular as an edgic pick if it wasn't for that Episode 1 comment. Last Edited By: AnneZob 05/09/08 6:34 PM. Edited 2 times.
getting real		#4718	[-]
Posts: 1195 (05/09/08 6:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quote: "I want to be a man.. I'm an ice-cream boy but I want to be an ice-cream man"!!!! Poor kid. The boy from Hell, Michigan, is going to his personal Hell, metaphorically as well as literally. As a man, methinks. ****** Penultimate episode theory says Amanda, Cirie can't win. Parvati can. Personal, won't-let-it-go biased theory says Parvati and Cirie still can't win. *** Francois, good observation about every juror 'xcept James having an IN/HII link. *** Cirie's vote -brains over brawn -so good. All she has in this game is her brain -she didn't have winsome looks over brawn -she's the best player to ever, ever play this game even if she loses. Totally agree, CL. She also has the social skills to go with her brain. The only person to come close would be Hatch because he had both brains and brawn. Yul also had both but I'd imagine he would always piss off the Parvatis of this world. ******* What wouldn't be funnier than Alexis, or any fan, to go to Final TC and tell Parvati, "I thought we knew every favorite's game. But you changed yours, and you deserve to win." And that is shown as the clinching vote. OTH, I still think Jonathan Prophet's Cassandra's warning to Parvati about Cirie will be the one to remember most at the end - but not necessarily because Cirie wins.
AllMenAreIslands		#4719	[-]
Posts: 23699 (05/09/08 6:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm thinking you're right, Anne. Cirie has received a ton of confessionals and she's gotten CPs throughout the game. Perhaps she is the favorite of the season, even if she doesn't win. She gets the best edit for consolation? Maybe there's a tie, and it's between Amanda and Cirie, with Parvati being the one to receive only one vote. Parvati was the only one of the final 4 to have CP in the opening ep, and perhaps we put too much stock into that guideline.
Jenny du Jour		#4720	[-]
Posts: 906 (05/09/08 6:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What is the penultimate episode theory?

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