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Voting deadline proposal...
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Time for my usual schtick- "I'll post my final winner pick on Sunday night around 10:05 EST."
It's time to dust off the old first episode of the season and rewatch and look at what themes prevailed. -Erik is eager, but Jason had the soundbyte that trumped him regarding the dream of playing Survivor. ERIK HAD AN OPENING CONFESSIONAL Natalie has nothing except the exchange with Eliza. I don't remember any theme with Amanda that wasn't trumped by Parvati in regards to the blossoming of the couples alliance. Cirie is just like us -watching from the couch -and then later doesn't know what will happen at TC, feels vulnerable. At TC, Probst's voiceover of "fire is your life in this game" overlaps with Cirie lighting her torch. -HAD OPENING CONFESSIONAL. Parvati, a more footnote character compared to the legends Ozzy, Yau Man, Fairplay- GETS AN OPENING CONFESSIONAL -and it's all about scope and the need to change. (Burnett has not hit us over the head that she hasn't changed for her words to be ironic.) Jonathan's warnings that she'll go on and cause trouble; Parvati's, "I don't want to get snaked by Eliza" seemed more about long-term than just immediate end of episode tension/drama. Eliza vs Parvati -why??? Why does Parvati say she doesn't want to get snaked by Eliza? Why not a soundbyte of her not trusting Jonathan- which surely existed as footage. Why show Eliza approach Parvati in episode four? Surely, wiley Eliza approached Amanda too- same goes for the merge episode. I've said since the beginning Parvati is either the big winner or big loser facing the jury. The tension is set-up for her to lose- Ozzy's expression at TC from the jury; her panic in not finding James and his being mad at her. The general impression is she's dead meat. The surprise is she wins. If Parvati was to lose, I think we would get more cockiness soundbytes- instead of her thinking it out and hoping things work out -she's shown acknowledging the animosity she's caused. The set-up is just not there to cheer when she gets roasted and loses at the final TC. instead, it's presented as her carefully trying to defuse a bomb. Parvati was a good player in Cook Islands, it just had no bearing on the final outcome. I don't think she's changed her game in reality, because she didn't need to. |
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fat little fingers |
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Yay!
End of season: boo! For a half-ass season, this one's been pretty good. It's had its editing neglect weirdness, like every season. But, the faves came to play which was excellent. |
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If Parvati was to lose, I think we would get more cockiness soundbytes- instead of her thinking it out and hoping things work out -she's shown acknowledging the animosity she's caused. The set-up is just not there to cheer when she gets roasted and loses at the final TC. instead, it's presented as her carefully trying to defuse a bomb.First paragraph - bingo! I do think she changed in two ways - become a more active strategizer, and planned a girlpower endgame. Last time she went with Jonathan over her girlfriend Jenny, and held back while the likes of Adam and Jonathan messed up at the merge. I think Becky's fate taught her the Amber game just won't work. Other stuff is 100% editing spin. Last time they let Jonathan badmouth Raro and portray her as a party girl. They time she loses the F9 RC and gets a comment about how that's the reward she wanted to go on because she's curious about other cultures. This time nNegative comments from Jonathan are left out, but we see him calling her a good social player in ep.1. That trumps all the late-game "Amber is unbeatable" ballyhoo.
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sorry, still going to puke when she wins, craig.
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craig |
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That perfectly fine CL. She wouldn't be the Parv I adore if she wasn't underestimated, slighted, misunderstood. :)
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colleenlover wrote: Hatch, Todd, Brian Heidk, were all incredibly cocky. This is my plan, "this is how I'm going to go about it" in an extremely unemotional type
of way. Vote me out or else, and anyone but me. There was no one that Todd, Hatch, Brian etc wouldn't vote out if it was in their best interests. The
thing with Parvati is they have stressed that she won't vote out Amanda. That could be very wise on her part, or it could be very stupid. But in many
ways it's an emotional thing with Parvati, and it has not been presented as a good strategic decision on her part. All I want to point out is that for
some reason at merge, they had the discussion about why you should bring someone unlikeable to the end. There may be a reason for that discussion.
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craig |
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Parvati, Cirie, and Amanda are all good social players, so whoever loses could tie back to Eliza's line. Parvati did target the likability threat over the
challenge threat when they booted Alexis.
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craig wrote: That's Alexis, not Amanda. What I'm saying is that Amanda could easily perhaps be "Parvarti's Amber" There's some talk that Rob M might have had a shot against J Lewis. And if he had let Amber be voted out by Lex, he probably wouldn't have lost Les'x jury vote and perhaps even Big Tom's. Parvarti was just shown as saying she won't vote out Amanda, and then they stress that Amanda's a jury threat. There could be a reason for that. And it's hard to make the same argument abuot Parvarti seeing as Parvarti will have backstabbed most of the jury. |
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Or Parv could be Amanda's new Todd. And since the audience knows how she bombed in front of the China jury, they have to play up her likeability to keep it interesting. The Ozzy boot got several fans further, and Parv should get credit.Certianly more credit than Amanda. Parv booting Amanda to face Natalie is a dangerous gamble. She would need to bet that Ozzy, James, and Amanda won't be bitter. Very bad bet, especially
since Nat has a great shot at fan votes. Better to write off Ozzy and campaign for Fan votes against Amanda.
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FLF said
Parvati's brush with INV is worth looking at again. It's pretty borderline by my memory, but I'll have to review.Nothing of concern. Remember Yul getting INV votes about the same time in CI? In neither case did they get a majority. That means something. A string of UTR, particularly in a 20 person season, what's the problem? AMAI, I love you, I do. But sea turtles? Imagery? C'mon. Chill. It will all work out in the end. Don't let the big bad post merge section cause heart palpatations! :-) Chaperone, yay from me, and I'd go as far as saying call it unless you get hate mongering responses going forward. Relynn said Hatch, Todd, Brian Heidk, were all incredibly cocky. This is my plan, "this is how I'm going to go about it" in an extremely unemotional type of way. You're missing it, I'm not sure why, but you're missing the main issue. (The minor one is that Todd did come off emotionally, but another day and time.) We saw Hatch think his plans through, from writing the check day one to planning on the jury on day 39. Instead of playing up his deficiencies in his relationships, which were the main reason he lost 3 votes, they focused on how smart and cold he was. Because he won. No insight to Kellie's betrayal of Sue, of the alliance, of anything, other than superficial talk. Todd, Amanda, obvious difference. Todd might have done this, maybe did that, everything that made you consider Todd's actions. What little Amanda said early was usually defining Todd, not her. Here, Parvati's gotten it from day one. She will not be the flirt, even if it seems to appear that way. In the end, her telling James her new plan solidifed that she followed through, she changed her game. We worry, did she overplay, will it work, etc. Everything that makes you consider Parvati's actions. Amanda doesn't get it, Erik, Natalie, or Cirie, in my mind anyway. There isn't anything to justify Amanda over Parvati based on the edit. Maybe as a fan (not me, as much as I dislike Parvati, Amanda is equally ugh to me) but not in any examination of editing content. We saw Parvati's game, and her concerns and the noting of players about her. I expect her to look in peril with one episode to go. Oh yeah. Quick look. One episode to go, each season. Rudy the favorite to the fans, the villain can't win. Colby is America's hero and wins to the end. Haven't seen Africa enough to comment. Sean goes, so Vcecpia is toast against Kathy/Paschal/OhMyHeck. Still waiting to watch Thailand but Brian cuts off an ally with too many deals, right? Jenna is sick, wants out, 3 men against her. Sandra has anyonebutmeitis. Ooh, they stabbed Big Tom, no way Rob and Amber can win. Chris just cut Julie's throat, bastard ain't winning. Tom overplayed Caryn and strongarmed Katie, bastard ain't winning. It's all about Steph. Danni is still outnumbered. Terri or Cirie, right? Yul played up Jonathan's hat, the jury will turn on the Godfather. If Earl gets in the way against Yau-Man, Dreamz and Cassandra will have to deal with him, and hey, Yau-Man's the man. Todd backstabbed too many, complained at the Great Wall, and Amanda's locked it up. A few weaker than others, but the penultimate epsiode has one constant - the real winner never looks to be clear cut in that episode. If Parvati suddenly looks to have it sewn up, uh-oh. But she won't. I hope Amanda repeats last year, to keep some suspense, but if it's Cirie, you know the truth on sunday night. Parvati, Parvati. Michael |
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Complete non Edgic question - if I read right, this says it is my post # 1502. Why does my profile add 7 extra posts in my total count? Where did they come
from? Alternate universe where Alexis wins?
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OnlyTheHunter wrote: But see that's my main issue with Parvarti winning...It's the fact that there hasn't been really any stressed doubt about her...What I mean is
that whenever you have a player dominating and Parv is dominanting, they normally try to even things out by suggesting there is some possible plan a foot to
stop said dominating. For example we saw all the times when Erik and Pei Gee tried to get Denise to flip and later Amanda to flip. In Palau, there was all
stress about the people trying to turn on Tom, trying to get Tom voting out, Katie wanting Tom voted out. Even in Thailand there was all the times Jake and
company talked about how "in control Brian was" Helen's struggle etc.
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SFC wrote: The jury didn't know whose idea the James blindside was. They know who blindsided Alexis. I am not saying that Amanda wins, but just saying their is a difference. |
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Relynn, just an aside: it would be better to edit the quoted material down to a sentence or two rather than keep the entire thing. Just FYI.
Also, half of Ep 12, from Amanda's visit to EI onwards, seemed to me about casting doubt on Parvati's ability to win in the face of Amanda producing the HII at Tribal. There was no doubt as to whom to credit for that blindside. We were shown the "assist" from Parvati, but in the jury's eyes it looks like it was all Amanda. OTH, yes, I know it was just a sea turtle. And it's not like I stand to win a million. |
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Relynn |
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AllMenAreIslands wrote:Yes, they are showing that Amanda is popular with the jury, but they are also casting doubt on the idea of Amanda GETTING to the Finals. Because they are showing that the logical thing is to vote Amanda off. And the Amanda is popular wasn't stressed in relation to Parvarti. That was Amanda's blindside. Amanda did most of the work there.. Now, maybe Amanda listened to Parvarti about who was to go, but in the case of Natalie/alexis being blindsided it mainly had to do with Amanda. Amanda found the idol, she convinced the other she didn't have it etc, Amanda did all the dirty work there. |
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Warrior wrote: But Sandra had an MORP3 in episode 5 too, so it must be important. |
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colleenlover |
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methinks Relynn and craig have an Amanda and Parvati agenda, respectively.
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colleenlover |
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Relynn wroteded-
But see that's my main issue with Parvarti winning...It's the fact that there hasn't been really any stressed doubt about her...What I mean is that whenever you have a player dominating and Parv is dominanting...I see nothing but them trying with doubt -that she has messed up big time. Amanda's merge confessional; Ozzy's look of death from the jury; Parvati's, "I've been looking all over the island for you" to James- the impression is that she is done! |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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There's two ways to install doubt for the winner. The first is that they are in danger of being voted out of the game. The second is that they are in
danger of not getting enough votes in front of the jury. Tom's doubt came primarily from others seeing the threat he posed and plotting to get rid of him
the moment he lost immunity. There was no real effort to suggest he couldn't win a jury vote, and in fact, in that season, the climax was Ian's
decision to step down. (Sure we got to see Katie get creamed, but it was all sort of anti-climactic.) Yul, on the other hand, with his superpowered immunity
was clearly in no danger of being voted out. So instead, his doubt had to be created with respect to the jury, which the show did by making his pandering look
obvious. It was a bit weak, but they did have the luxury of an opponent who seemed like he could win so a little doubt was all that was necessary.
Parvati isn't getting much doubt about being voted out. This is true. However, there's too many other targets for her to be a realistic boot at this point. Besides, everyone saw that she betrayed her alliance with Ozzy and James, and now she's helped to dump Alexis as well. Most of the remaining players may even be looking at her as the goat. We are getting tons of doubt that she can win in front of the jury. We got to see her diss Eliza at her boot. We got to see Ozzy's anger and then his reaction to the news that it was Parvati that flipped on him. We got to see James' confessionals where he expressed his anger about what Parvati did. That's portrayed as three votes she cannot get - that's significant doubt, especially when you add in that Amanda seems unbeatable at the moment. The surprise comes in that despite all this, she wins, maybe even directly against Amanda (though that seems very unlikely). Amanda had doubt for this last episode certainly, but the editors have not been building in doubt for her all alone. She previously wondered whether she should trust Parvati, but that was before Ozzy's blindside and before this last episode where Parvati stayed true to her. In other words, those words have already had their payoff. She's certainly not getting jury doubt, and with the majority (including Cirie) seized back, she doesn't appear to be in immediate danger of being voted out either. She currently has no doubt, which is a really bad position to be in edit-wise if you want to actually win. |
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