S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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SFC		#3661	[-]
Posts: 272 (04/18/08 12:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Some thoughts about Cirie. In the Recap there was a confessional from Cirie that I don't remember from last week, it was about the faves rejoining. Cirie also made a comment saying she knew Ozzy had the Idol, wasn't she out of the loop?
gretchensucks		#3662	[-]
Posts: 289 (04/18/08 12:36 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Since most people seem to agree it's either Cirie or Parvati... This might be an appropriate time to remind everyone of the prophetic words of Jonathan Christ from the Yau boot episode. "Parvati, you're letting Cirie lead you like a lamb to the slaughter. I feel bad for you!" (or something to that effect) Jonathan did not leave the game looking bitter or negative, his edit came out making him actually look like he'd regrouped and regained his footing (even if he hadn't physically. I think those words meant something...like when Cirie said "I haven't figured out how I'm going to dismantle the couples yet...but I'm going to try" in the second episode. Look what just happened. Anyway...just reminders.
Green Coffee		#3663	[-]
Posts: 63 (04/18/08 12:55 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: 7. I hope this thread doesn't turn into a Cirie fan thread and/or a Parvati hate thread. But it might be too late for that. Might? I think this thread is far beyond that level. From an outsider's perspective, this thread seems less about analyzing the edit this season and more about cheerleading "your pick." There is all of this "This is a bad idea on their part in the game so they clearly can't win" or "I didn't like that comment. The editors would have dropped it if they wanted me to like them." Some people seem to very easily be letting the editors yank them around, following every CP spike as if it's indicative of future CPs and winner success (see Tracy), and the like. If James had a CPP5 next episode, at least one person would probably make some ridiculous convoluted argument about him being the winner. In edgic, where many believe its the forest, not the trees, that count, many people are getting tied up in the moment. Instead of objectively viewing each episode or the season as a whole, some of the Parvati and Cirie supporters are doing this the wrong way. The way I see it, you should watch the episodes and let them guide who you pick to win. What we have are people who have clearly decided that one or the other wins and there is no other possible scenario. Instead of fitting a winner to the editing, some people are trying to fit the editing to their winner. If that's the way edgic is supposed to work, people should just pick a preseason favorite and get their spin on. Apparently once you pull the trigger and pick someone, you don't need to keep participating because you need not incorporate new evidence objectively anymore. Your job becomes interpreting new evidence in a way that is favorable to your position. One additional thing I noticed: Parvati was, in my opinion, portrayed to the audience as the big decision-maker in this boot. She is the last to vote and the music made a dramatic change as she wrote the name and came back. Why did this happen only for Parvati? If it is meant to just indicate overall tension, why didn't it come in after the votes or during all of them? I think its because a message is being sent about Parvati's role, here. Now, this could be spun either way. A) Parvati is the mastermind and they are giving us another strategic, N toned winner. The editors want us to think that she is the shot caller and pivotal player in this game, when in reality, Cirie was shown as initiating the "Let's boot Ozzy" plan. B) Parvati is making a big mistake, overplaying her hand, and becoming TOO big of a strategic distraction, leaving the slightly less pivotal looking Cirie as the winner. Which is it? Well depending on who you've already chosen as your winner, I guess it depends. Ok, one last thing: the way I see it, if Parvati is being edited as Guatamala Steph, why should that be a tool to explain a Cirie win? Danni didn't give the editors much to work with, while Cirie presumably did. Just based on this season, it would NOT be difficult to edit a story to explain why Cirie won (hell, plenty of people here think exactly that). So why give Parvati all of the attention in an attempt to explain why she loses? They didn't do that with other F3 losers (some came off negative but I don't remember hearing a lot about how "China is the story of how Courtney loses"). Thus, I think that if Parvati loses, it will be because someone else has a better winner's edit - not because she has a great loser's edit. I can see absolutely no reason from the editor's perspective to give Parvati (one of the lesser-known favorites) some elaborate story to explain why she loses when one of the most popular survivors of all time, Cirie, plays an excellent strategic game (so far) and takes the win. Therefore, if we are to believe that Parvati's edit is merely an elaborate set-up for how and why she loses, allowing another person to win by default, it would HAVE to be someone other than Cirie, I think. However, I cannot see any justification for anyone else left to win (even Alexis). This is why I'm not sold on the "Parvati is so negative that this season is about why she loses" argument, although I think her negativity may be problematic in ways. Sorry. Every month or so I feel like I need to comment, I guess. Thanks.
gretchensucks		#3664	[-]
Posts: 293 (04/18/08 1:27 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ Being the swing vote does not make her the mastermind. I think even an elementary-level viewer can figure out that Cirie was the mastermind behind that vote and Parvati followed orders. The attention she got was because of her self-professed "hot pickle" and nothing more. She was not shown conceiving of the plan. In fact, Cirie was shown gunning for Ozzy for weeks. I don't see how you can legitimately say that Parvati was somehow portrayed in any fashion as the "mastermind." She may very well have been the mastermind (there's no way to know), but it certainly wasn't edited to look like that...it was edited to look like she wasn't.
craig		#3665	[-]
Posts: 12816 (04/18/08 1:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Visibility Natalie - there is something screwy about Warrior's Sentence count for her. First, she picked a team in the RC; second, she initiated the idea of making the promise to Jason if he gives up immunity. She must have said more than 1 sentence there, and I think she spoke elsewhere. Parvati - also said alot during the IC negotiations with Jason, which may not have been counted. She should be a 4 (which she is one senmtence away from on Warrior's chart anyway), and was also very visible in the IC. Parvati - CP4 The P of her will and determination in winning the IC certainly outweighs any N from James' "Amazon Roger at the merge" scene where is is making unnecessary noise while 3 people are trying to sleep. James is just pissed about the girlpower alliance, and is a buffoon in the IC laughing about others screwing up before losing concentration himself. She is protrayed as weighing the game imperative of getting Ozzy out before F5 with feelings of loyalty in a reasonable and Neu way. Nothing villianous there, especially since the editors go out of their way to show Ozzy and James gleeful about snaking Jason. Ozzy's commit about it being a game of outwit is a perfect justification for Parv's move. * Parvati's thoughts and motivations about booting Ozzy are featured in a more CP and detailed way than Cirie, who just wants him out for strategic reasons. Alexis and Nat's role is even more underedited. * Parvati's theme is "the girl who is here to win this time." Her comment about not coming back just to suffer again, and her determination in the IC (when she wasn't in jeopardy) reiforce this. * Parvati's IC win, facilitated by the deal proposed by Natalie, was the catalyst for Ozzy's blindside. Otherwise Jason wins immunity, Ozzmanda probably target Alexis, and Ozzy might be suspicious enough about girl power to use the idol on her. Editors put lots of enphasis on how stiff her arm was. meanwhile Cirie bails first for some candy and Alexis screws up before she can make the deal with Probst.. Last Edited By: craig 04/18/08 1:37 AM. Edited 1 times.
Katy Carney		#3666	[-]
Posts: 849 (04/18/08 1:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gretchensucks wrote: ^ Being the swing vote does not make her the mastermind. I think even an elementary-level viewer can figure out that Cirie was the mastermind behind that vote and Parvati followed orders. The attention she got was because of her self-professed "hot pickle" and nothing more. She was not shown conceiving of the plan. In fact, Cirie was shown gunning for Ozzy for weeks. I don't see how you can legitimately say that Parvati was somehow portrayed in any fashion as the "mastermind." She may very well have been the mastermind (there's no way to know), but it certainly wasn't edited to look like that...it was edited to look like she wasn't. Are you joking? Editing has shown Parvati planning this since the third episode in which she mentioned that she would never win against Ozzy. It was the entire rationale for her endgame alliance with Natalie and Alexis (otherwise known as the alliance that actually voted Ozzy out, the alliance which Cirie has no involvement in). Parvati's mentioned voting Ozzy out because he doesn't fit into her F3 plan like every other episode. Cirie literally did one thing and one thing only, and that was her mentioning that this would be a good time to do it. WOW what a genius. She was the force behind it all! Masterful!
gretchensucks		#3667	[-]
Posts: 295 (04/18/08 1:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: gretchensucks wrote: ^ Being the swing vote does not make her the mastermind. I think even an elementary-level viewer can figure out that Cirie was the mastermind behind that vote and Parvati followed orders. The attention she got was because of her self-professed "hot pickle" and nothing more. She was not shown conceiving of the plan. In fact, Cirie was shown gunning for Ozzy for weeks. I don't see how you can legitimately say that Parvati was somehow portrayed in any fashion as the "mastermind." She may very well have been the mastermind (there's no way to know), but it certainly wasn't edited to look like that...it was edited to look like she wasn't. Are you joking? Editing has shown Parvati planning this since the third episode in which she mentioned that she would never win against Ozzy. It was the entire rationale for her endgame alliance with Natalie and Alexis (otherwise known as the alliance that actually voted Ozzy out, the alliance which Cirie has no involvement in). Parvati's mentioned voting Ozzy out because he doesn't fit into her F3 plan like every other episode. Cirie literally did one thing and one thing only, and that was her mentioning that this would be a good time to do it. WOW what a genius. She was the force behind it all! Masterful! You're extrapolating way too much. We're talking about editing here. She said, once, that she could never beat James in a F3 situation, and Amanda said the same about Ozzy. True. However, it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that there's more than one way to interpret that information. (1) She meant it, or (2) she as trying to get Cirie's vote away from Eliza and crew. Parvati has been shown as being torn between conflicting sides. She's a swing character and has a swing edit. That, in and of itself, does not make her a mastermind...it just puts her in a complicated "pickle." Cirie on the other hand has been portrayed, for weeks, trying to influence people to vote against Ozzy. She was co-horting with Ami. She was planting seeds of doubt in Amanda's mind. She was shown repeatedly saying what a threat Ozzy is. She was obviously set up as the manipulative foil to overconfident/cocky/rude Ozzy from the first time we heard "I haven't figured out how to dismantle the couples yet...but I'm gunna try." If we look at this episode. Cirie is shown at Exile discussing Ozzy having the HII, before anyone else does. She also says his threat level went up "ten fold." Then she says, "I may have to target Ozzy and that idol." After the immunity challenge, immediately they cut to Cirie in the bushes saying "this is the perfect opportunity to flush out the idol." Then they cut to Cirie laying out the entire plan to Parvati, Alexis and Natalie. Cirie is even the one shown as smart enough to say "don't tell Amanda" (which was the smartest part of the whole plan). At tribal, Parvati is portrayed as the swing vote, not the mastermind. She has a conflicted and sad face. Cirie has the mastermind edit, looking at Eliza, smiling, and confident. We have to look at what's shown, not extrapolate. This is edgic. For all I know it was Parvati's plan...but it definitely wasn't portrayed that way. Last Edited By: gretchensucks 04/18/08 1:56 AM. Edited 1 times.
gretchensucks		#3668	[-]
Posts: 296 (04/18/08 2:09 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Alexis - UTR2 (I remember she had a very important confessional and I thought it was important...but I have a bad short term memory, so I'll be more detailed after the second watch.) Cirie - CPN3 (Definitely out in front. She didn't need her Exile shown, but it was. The N comes from the crossing of her fingers.) Can anyone else spot the flaw in this logic?
Jedijake		#3669	[-]
Posts: 5031 (04/18/08 4:23 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie was meant to be negative at the time she crossed her fingers. We were supposed to feel sorry for Jason. Then she was redeemed when she went after Ozzy. She didn't have to cross her fingers but we were meant to feel as though she did the "right thing" after all in booting Ozzy. Parvati, on the other hand, was meant to be shown in two ways this episode: (1) lazy (2) backstabbing
getting real		#3670	[-]
Posts: 1177 (04/18/08 4:43 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There's still no evidence to deviate from the belief that we're seeing two very different group edits: Arrogant, power-corrupted, negative-tending favorites v. clueless fans who stumble to a win in spite of themselves. The journey of Ozzy and Jason in this episode was a microcosm of the entire season: Cocky favorite implodes and fan triumphs despite his utter cluelessness. Jason the fan played no part in how it happened but he still ended up triumphant over his nemesis. Just like Jason the fan was lucky when, instead of being humilated for being fooled by a fake HII, it was instead a favorite who paid the price. This is still a season where the themes are over-reaching and go beyond mere individual edits. This is why these individual edits don't make much sense. And Parvati is still eliminated.
Warrior		#3671	[-]
Posts: 2553 (04/18/08 4:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: 4. From Warrior's chart, I assume that he did not include any of the sentences spoken during the "I guarantee" discussion. In a special case like that, I feel those sentences spoken should be included, as they were not your regular ordinary "Go Parv" kinda comments. I agree Oo, I thought about counting them but didn't...I should have. It moves Alexis up to a weak 2. It moves Parvati up to a weak 4. It may save Natalie from another INV.
craig		#3672	[-]
Posts: 12822 (04/18/08 5:06 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, Parv did one better. There are now TWO people who can't trust her, and one of them, Amanda, is a part of every one of Parv's side deals. From a strategic POV this was not good for her. And even Craig acknowledged it when he wrote, "Parvati needs to boot Erik and Jason before her allies. She has no ties to Erik, and he will feel more betrayed by Ozzy, Amanda, Alexis, and Nat. Based on ep.7, I think Cirie would help her make that happen." Well, she didn't. Now she has two enemies that used to be allies. I once said that Parv's greatest weakness is that she seems to enjoy the unnecessary strategizing. This was a case. Yeah, for us the broadside was an Eliza-like Oh....MY.... GOD. But for her... just seemed too soon. Assuming Ozzy has Amanda, James, and Erik, this probably was Parvati last best chance to stop him. Amanda's love for Ozzy and Erik's puppy-dog loyalty meant Ozzy's boot had to be moved up. Amanda can pout and be pissed, but she has few options but to work with Cirie and Parvati. What they've done is take her away from Ozzy. Parvati wants Amanda for herself. (Remember when Chilltown destroyed the Sovereigns they they could have Janelle?) As long as Alexis\Nat\Cirie are comitted to girlpower, they got 4/8 votes locked. PS: I thought the challenge was the dramatic centre of the episode, with quits or resolve that reveal character and a morally interesting negotiation at the end. So I'm glad Warrior countered it after all. The RC reward was mostly irrelevant to the basic story - Erik was the star, native culture was the focus, and it didn't advance the plot of the episode much. Erik was AWOL from the later strategizing. Last Edited By: craig 04/18/08 5:17 AM. Edited 1 times.
OnlyTheHunter		#3673	[-]
Posts: 1463 (04/18/08 6:39 AM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't get the reward for one thing - all the time on Erik. I loved it, I like the guy. But why only build one character up in that long a scene? Any reason to not throw a little light on the other three? Why do they do this? This happens too often. green coffee said Apparently once you pull the trigger and pick someone, you don't need to keep participating because you need not incorporate new evidence objectively anymore. Your job becomes interpreting new evidence in a way that is favorable to your position. I can actually understand that frustration. I'm still trying to figure it out, my pick be damned. I can see, however, how it all can deter into fandom. Have to step back and not be emotional when playing Edgic, really. And I agree with you about Parvati being the decision maker. Cirie said Ozzy has the idol. However, she neither told us why she's in a better position with him gone nor how it may cost her. With Parvati, she names a timeline when Ozzy would be unbeatable, she knows the risks she's taking and is concerned, she has the weight of the decision on her and we wait to see what she has to do. For instance, since when did Cirie start confiding in Alexis and Natalie? Where did that come from? Why trust them? Where's the confessional where Cirie is worried about the fans, but it's time to trust them to take out Ozzy? That went to Parvati, and Cirie is simply there a la Amanda taking out James last year, because she started it. The editing weight was given to Todd and now Parvati, however, about the importance of the decision. I loved the episode. A rare time they went to vote and I had zero idea what would happen. After 4-1 Jason, I was convinced he was gone. Great job, editors! That's what I want to watch. Michael
dennydoylelives		#3674	[-]
Posts: 2210 (04/18/08 6:42 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Alexis - UTRN1. Sorry, but that little pissiness that she had when she screwed up in the IC was total negativity. She came across as a major poor sport. Add in the finger crossing, and she just comes across as an extremely juvenile little brat. Amanda - UTR2. Part of me is wondering if she's smart enough to realize that maybe Parvati isn't the best, or most reliable, ally for her. Cirie - CP4. She stays in contention. She took no N hit for turning on Ozzy, just the slight childish N for the finger crossing, but that's a small part of a very in depth edit. Erik - MORP4. When they need a break from negativity, they turn to Ozzy's little puppy dog. I wonder if he'll be lost without his owner? If there was anyone left in the game to root for, it would be Erik. James UTRN2. Even though the girls were N for sleeping while he was working, he was being an annoying passive aggressive bitch in that scene too. Jason - OTTM4. Weird rating, but he's a simplified underdog and a simplified moron, (or maybe simply a simpleton.) That's OTT and that's mixed. Natalie - INV1. In the post-merge all she has is being the first of 8 to pipe up and agree to give Jason the guarantee? I mean in 3 days of coverage, not one of the cameramen could sneak in a decent boob shot? So disappointing. Ozzy - OTTN4. His edit this episode can be summed up very easily: he's an arrogant hypocrite. So Jason is naïve because he believed a lie, but "I hate you" if you lie to me? Buh-bye shit smear. The show really won't be losing much by not having him speak for the next few episodes. Parvati - CPN3. Once again, it's not a crippling N. It's an N that can show how she wins or loses. Even though Cirie is my pre-merge pick, (and I'm going to stick with it because I'm stubborn like that), if the last few seasons are any indication, the Parvati show ends in a win for her. Survivor China was basically all about Todd, Survivor Generic Pacific Island was the Earl show, Survivor Yul Island pretty much says it all, Survivor Other Generic Pacific Island could be viewed as the Arass show, and Palau was very much the Tom show. Half-ASS is turning into the Parvati show. One scene that perfectly illustrates both winning and losing arguments for her is the sleeping scene. While EPMB generally doesn't show the winner being the king of the lazy people, (even for Morasca, Cersterweinie and Heidi took a bigger N hit than Jenna), he also took pains to show James being an annoying little bitch. So when it's over, whether she wins or loses, the supporters of whichever she does can point back to that scene and say "see, you should have seen it there." Eliza - OTTPPP2. Love her or hate her, I defy anyone to say she isn't one of the great characters the show has ever had. You know not being able to talk at TC was killing her, but damn were her facial expressions great when the votes were read. There really wasn't much P spread around this episode, with the exception of Erik. It wasn't quite as wholly N as the Yul Island don't feed the lazy people episode when every single cast member was borderline NN, but there was a tinge of N for 8 of the 9 people, even NatalINV.
AnneZob		#3675	[-]
Posts: 69 (04/18/08 7:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Great episode but I have to say I'm not sure why people are shocked at Ozzie's boot. The clues from CBS basically gave it away. Parvati would be forced to betray one of her alliances. Even the people in the Spoiler board were shocked (the spoilers had Ozzie going later). Only a few people, including me, voted for Ozzie to be leaving this episode. Jason was by far the most popular pick. Hell, almost as many people believed Erik would be going as believed Ozzie would be going. Another reason for me voting for Ozzie was because I believe Cirie will win (no there is no spoiler saying Cirie will win, it's actually a minority opinion in the Spoiler section). Cirie will win largely because Parvati will betray her alliance mates and face a bitter jury. The reason why the jury was so bitter to Rob in ASS was because he had friendships with the people he betrayed outside of the game. A similar situation to Parvati. Since I was pretty sure that at some point Parvati would betray Ozzie (who sees her as a sister as Jonathan said in an interview) so when the CBS clue said that Parvati would be forced to betray an alliance I was sure this would be the episode that Ozzie would go (despite the idea that this would be Ozzie's time to go being a very minority opinion even on the spoiler board). Also Ozzie's fall at the hands of Cirie had been long obvious from the editing. Basically if you believe Cirie wins then from that single clue given by CBS and just by paying attention to the editing that Ozzy would be set up for a fall it would have been easy to predict that this would be Ozzy's boot episode. I mean that is how I predicted this would be Ozzy's boot episode (despite the spoilers and the majority opinion having a Jason boot). Also Ozzy's boot episode was edited as I expected for a Cirie win many episodes ago, namely Ozzie being bitter, Cirie as the mastermind and Parvati getting the blame. I think this episode was very good for Cirie's chances of winning. Last Edited By: AnneZob 04/18/08 7:24 AM. Edited 2 times.
scepticA		#3676	[-]
Posts: 1336 (04/18/08 7:19 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Anne Zob, because most of the people on edgic refrain from looking for spoilers we, uh, weren't spoiled. We weren't looking for hints in online discussions, commercials, or tea leaves. A good blindside is good precisely because it comes from left field.
AnneZob		#3677	[-]
Posts: 70 (04/18/08 7:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	scepticA wrote: Anne Zob, because most of the people on edgic refrain from looking for spoilers we, uh, weren't spoiled. We weren't looking for hints in online discussions, commercials, or tea leaves. A good blindside is good precisely because it comes from left field. As I said, the spoilers were completely wrong about this boot anyway so I don't think I'm actually spoiling anyone here. When I made the prediction on the spoiler board that this would be Ozzie's boot episode it was actually against what the spoilers were saying. I just mentioned the spoiler section because it has a boot vote tally to show that people were expecting (and as proof I expected Ozzy to be voted out this episode). The main point of what I'm saying is that a Cirie win would make this episode to be Ozzie's boot episode to be easy to predict, just working backwards. It is how I worked out that this would be Ozzy's boot episode. Also it played out as I expected for a Cirie win. The reason why I think this is significant is because most people are waiting until an episode finishes, look at it and say A and B here shows that X wins which is valid but can be accused of retrofitting after-the-fact to fit a preconceived winner. However this is one of the rare instances in which case you can predict before hand what happens in an episode just from editing and assuming that X win and Y doesn't. The only "spoiler" was the official clue that someone would be forced to betray an alliance (after last episode, obviously Parvati). I think the fact you could predict what happened this episode just by editing and assuming Cirie wins and Parvati loses and the fact that prediction wasn't obvious, went against spoilers etc. is a good sign that the winner is Cirie. Last Edited By: AnneZob 04/18/08 7:44 AM. Edited 4 times.
dennydoylelives		#3678	[-]
Posts: 2211 (04/18/08 7:40 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob, most people on this thread don't want anything to do with spoilers, even in the round about way that you've gone about it, until after the season is complete. So if you could refrain from even bringing up the spoiler board on this thread, that would be appreciated.
TheLurkerSpeaks		#3679	[-]
Posts: 1199 (04/18/08 7:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I haven't read anyone else's comments yet - these are my own impressions of the episode. First, wow! The editors had me - I thought the plan to oust Ozzy had come to naught and that it was a unanimous vote off of Jason right up until that second Ozzy vote popped up. Great job this episode. Ratings: Jason - CPM. He's certainly CP since we got inside his head numerous times. He got to explain his choice to step down, and he was able to graciously congratulate Ozzy via confessional for being fooled by the fake idol. He actually came off pretty likeable in his confessionals. On the other hand, it was clear the editing was presenting his choice in a negative light. (Personally, I applaud him for taking a risk to change the dynamic. Too many players play only to stick around as long as possible instead of changing the circumstances to be favorable for a win. Still, thinking that giving up immunity to obtain treats for everyone else would greatly change the dynamic was a little naive. He was fortunate that his loss coincided with Cirie's desire to oust Ozzy.) Parvati - CP(N). The strategy decision was toneless. She was merely playing the game in that choice, but the conflict involved was played up, and she was portrayed as the swing vote. However, her tiff with James came off a bit negative for both of them. I don't feel strongly about it, however. She certainly did not come off as positive. (Kudos to her as well though for also taking a risk to improve her odds of winning.) Cirie - MOR. She had confessionals, but they were all pretty straightforward. She saw her chance to take out Ozzy, and she pounced. Again, the strategy was toneless in this case, but unlike Parvati, she didn't really contemplate her options. She again was just a catalyst. Erik - OTTP. When you get the reward scene dedicated to you, and it is all fluff about how you are refreshingly naive and innocent, that's OTTP. James - MORN. While he may have had a beef about the girls sleeping in while he worked, the scene made it clear he was trying to annoy them. Plus, his comments about Jason at TC and in his voting confessional came off really harsh (and foolish once the outcome was shown). Amanda - MOR. She was there, but we didn't get much from her at all this episode. Alexis - UTR. The only thing I remember is how pissed she looked when Jeff refused to give her the bribe when she washed out at the immunity challenge. Natalie - MOR. She was more prominent than Alexis this episode though it was mostly by circumstance. For instance, she got to pick the reward team, and she initiated the bargaining with Jason. Ozzy - MORM. He had his doses of arrogance again, particularly in his certainty that Jason was toast when it proved not to be the case. (And he was definitely pissed when he got voted out - he turned around to count votes in an effort to figure out who did him in.) Still, he did have admiring confessionals regarding Erik during the reward though those were clearly more about Erik's edit than his own. I think it is clearer and clearer that Parvati wins this thing. Two jurors - two people she's presented as being the key to their demise. Both James and Amanda have now been shown questioning her motives as well. Meanwhile, Cirie seems likely to assume Ozzy's big threat role, and Alexis goes back to being ignored. (I guess they are waiting until the last minute to push her decoy edit - after this episode, I'm not even sure she's getting enough to be the default winner. Her edit reminds me quite a bit of Danielle rather than Danni at this point.) Erik has lost Ozzy, and that's all his story really had. Likewise, Jason's role in ousting Ozzy may have tied up his story arc. Amanda and James still have Parvati to play off of, but it would seem those relationships could be adversarial going forward and at best filled with tension. Natalie remains just an extra in this drama.
Oowatanite		#3680	[-]
Posts: 5065 (04/18/08 8:26 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cantthinkofaname wrote: I thought her pouty face came off N in the challenge. Can ya blame her though? Besides Jeff is just annoying, and very few castaways had the guts to express any annoyance or frustration. X Probst has this nasty habit of pestering frustrated players, but Alexis, to her credit, did not take the bait.

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