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JoeMadChina		#3701	[-]
Posts: 10 (04/29/08 10:27 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So,Amanda makes final 3/2 is all clear,whether she wins or not,she holds the record to make to the final in back to back seasons,and be the one who stayed longest time in the game ever,also never be voted out. Yeah,it is amazing,but she is boring to everyone,so I don't know people should be proud of her or not. Maybe she chokes again in the final tribe council may not be a bad thing,to me,Parvati or Cirie is the one who deserves more.
GrenadeJumper85		#3702	[-]
Posts: 4492 (04/29/08 10:36 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Even though she is mild, low-key, and quite often boring, getting to day thirty-nine two seasons in a row is quite a feat. I'll give her that.
survivorready		#3703	[-]
Posts: 179 (04/29/08 11:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, for one, I don't think Amanda will get to the finals this season. It is going to be Parvati and Cirie. Might be one of the greatest Final two ever? Two strategic people who started playing the game from the very begining. Amanda is a low key player, but she aint a bad player. There is nothing wrong with laying low for the begining part of the game. Not everyone in the game can play hardcore and be leaders from the very begining. Like Probst has said, Amanda is very good at making alliances. She has done that two seasons in a row. And she is a hard worker around camp. And I also think that Amanda's survivor skills are way better than many of the women we have seen in recent years. If you notice she always seems to be working around camp, doesn't whine about how bad it is, and is pretty good at the challenges. AND she did do the right thing by alligning with the girls after Ozzy's boot. She knows that there is no way she can win against James/Erik/Jason. People can argue that Amanda can still win becase Danni had somewhwat the same edit. And they didn't even show Danni orchestrating Blake's exit, even though people said she was the one who did it. But this season it is between Cirie and Parvati. And Parvati is going to get ripped by Eliza, Ozzy, and James because they are bitter and she will loose to Cirie. That's my call. Also: James will most probably return for the Jury tahn not return at all becuase for the ponderosa videos for Jason, they don't show Jason or the others going to TC. They did it for Ozzy and Eliza. This is most probably because James is with them and they cannot show it. And isn't Alexis shown having her ankles wrapped in cloth in one of the photos at the next RC? Last Edited By: survivorready 04/29/08 11:41 AM. Edited 1 times.
birdlady		#3704	[-]
Posts: 1219 (04/29/08 12:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James will most probably return for the Jury tahn not return at all becuase for the ponderosa videos for Jason, they don't show Jason or the others going to TC. They did it for Ozzy and Eliza. This is most probably because James is with them and they cannot show it. I don't think we've seen enough episodes of Ponderosa to know that there is a formula, that they always finish up with the jury members off to tribal council. But that is an interesting point. If James leaves in the middle of the round, is he on the jury for that round's tribal council? I guess it makes sense that he would be, although it seems like he's jumping ahead somehow. (What have they done in the past when someone left because of injury at this stage of the game?) Or, if he really is infected enough to leave the game, and so needs some immediate intensive treatment, maybe he isn't at this tribal council. Maybe that's where the bootsheet's inital uncertainty about him being on the jury came from.
GrenadeJumper85		#3705	[-]
Posts: 4502 (04/29/08 1:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(What have they done in the past when someone left because of injury at this stage of the game?) When they removed Bruce back during Exile Island, they just didn't have a Tribal Council that episode. But he was back three days later for the Tribal Council where Courtney was booted.
chsdz		#3706	[-]
Posts: 3 (04/29/08 1:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cirie had to make moves from the start of the game and therefore is a 'good player' only because she needed to, and she knew she had to. her back was against the wall from the start because she was clearly one of the weaker ones in challenges. generaly, people who suck at challenges have a chance to shine when it comes to making decisions and making alliances and deciding who to vote off, early in the game, because they are that desperate. so i wouldn't give her that much credit for making moves from the start. of course, that's not to say everyone is as capable and strategic as cirie is. just want to point out the reason why amanda is boring and bland. because she is not a threat, likeable enough (maybe because she doesn't ever speak to people outside her alliance and so doesn't get to offend people - which is good and bad), decent in challenges, and therefore knows that being quiet and going with the flow is the way to stay in the game. she found herself in a good alliance from the start. she wasn't ever targeted. why should she be unboring and make moves redundantly? Isn't it good to be utr. obviously if she doesn't make any moves the next 1 or 2 episodes from now, she doesn't deserve to win, but she still gets some credit for saving her ass from being voted out even when she's obviously in the minority, ever since they girls banded together to vote off her strongest allie, ozzy. so we'll see. parvati is playing well. the only thing is, she's using her feminine wiles to get into alliances. and obviously it doesn't pay to look so slutty on tv. but she'd deserve a win. i believe she'll perform well when she faces the jury. she has very good social skills.
chapera rocks		#3707	[-]
Posts: 8836 (04/29/08 2:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She knows that there is no way she can win against James/Erik/Jason. Huh? Antisocial James, follower Erik, and hated Jason? Amanda would have won easy had she gotten the boys to vote with her this past episode. Ozzy votes for her for sure. And she has a huge shot at getting votes from Eliza, Parvati, Cirie, and Jason based on gameplay.
Kirblar		#3708	[-]
Posts: 6200 (04/29/08 2:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, James/Erik/Jason all had GOAT written on their foreheads. Ozzy didn't due to the "celebrity" factor.
Carezy		#3709	[-]
Posts: 8 (04/29/08 2:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If James could make it to the tribal council after he's evacuated to sit on the jury, wouldn't he just say that he could forfit in the IC and meet up with the rest of the players if he makes it in time. That way, he still has a chance (even though small) of staying in the game. If he misses the first TC after his's evacuated, then i can understand him going straight to the jury... If it's debatable, maybe they just do the IC with the chance he could return, but if he doesn't, they have to boot someone anyway. In Bruce's season, maybe it was too close to the challenge and they knew he wouldn't have made it for the tribal council?! I dunno. Just trying to make sense of it all.
birdlady		#3710	[-]
Posts: 1220 (04/29/08 2:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Probst's preview goes out of its way to make the point that if someone is removed for medical reasons, that is solely the medical staff's decision. I was thinking that was to make clear that big masculine male James didn't quit, and to fill time so Probst wouldn't have to actually talk about the women who are winning his little game, but what it should mean is that a medevac takes place regardless of production or strategy.
GrenadeJumper85		#3711	[-]
Posts: 4503 (04/29/08 3:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, James/Erik/Jason all had GOAT written on their foreheads. I'd have to disagree on James/Erik being goats. Jason was a definite goat, but I think going to the end against James would be suicide. He may be a blubbering, illiterate fool, but he's charming, funny, endearing, AND relatable, and Erik would probably win by default for being the nice guy.
Heliox		#3712	[-]
Posts: 579 (04/29/08 3:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cirie had to make moves from the start of the game and therefore is a 'good player' only because she needed to, and she knew she had to... The interesting thing is that the physically strong players tend to be safe through to the merge because the tribes need them for winning challenges. So yes the less physically weaker players have to start their social game from day 1 and play hard to get to the merge. Whereas the physically strong will usually make it to the merge, then the focus goes to voting out these physical IC threats. And for some that is when the physically weaker players can stop having to play as strong a game. The thing is that Cirie has not let up from day 1, she has been playing as STRONG as she can and has not been sitting back to let things happen once the merge came. She is still controlling many of the moves and alliances. If Ozzy and the other physically strong players had been thinking 'strongly' from day 1 they would still be in the game now. Cirie NEVER takes her head out of the game and for that she is arguably one the strongest players ever on Survivor. Parvati has been strong in her social game and has an advantage of youth and physical strength. I would love to see Parvati (I can not believe I am saying that) and Cirie in the finals, be it F2 which I think it will be, or an F3. Last Edited By: Heliox 04/29/08 3:18 PM. Edited 1 times.
craig		#3713	[-]
Posts: 12961 (04/29/08 3:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati could backstab Natalie at F4 Alexis is beloved by the Fan jurors and Eliza. Taking her out behind Parv's back won't win Amanda votes, but will help solve Parv's Double Pickle.
gretchensucks		#3714	[-]
Posts: 403 (04/29/08 3:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Parvati could backstab Natalie at F4 Alexis is beloved by the Fan jurors and Eliza. Taking her out behind Parv's back won't win Amanda votes, but will help solve Parv's Double Pickle. That doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't solve anything. We'll have to see how it goes down...but this looks like wishful thinking to me.
Zonker		#3715	[-]
Posts: 736 (04/29/08 3:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No matter which side of the fence you sit, it is all wishful thinking at this point.
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor		#3716	[-]
Posts: 5486 (04/29/08 4:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Amanda really can't receive much credit if she makes it to the F3...she's attractive, a very athletic female, and dull enough to be easy to win against. On paper, she'd at least make the jury in any season and the F3 always if her tribe has the majority. In other words, her god-given ass-ets are really what get her far...the rest of the time she sits around and fails to make key game moves because she doesn't really need to. Nobody in the history of this show has ever been given the free pass that she has.
Relynn		#3717	[-]
Posts: 360 (04/29/08 4:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	survivorready wrote: Well, for one, I don't think Amanda will get to the finals this season. It is going to be Parvati and Cirie. Might be one of the greatest Final two ever? Two strategic people who started playing the game from the very begining. Amanda is a low key player, but she aint a bad player. There is nothing wrong with laying low for the begining part of the game. Not everyone in the game can play hardcore and be leaders from the very begining. Like Probst has said, Amanda is very good at making alliances. She has done that two seasons in a row. And she is a hard worker around camp. And I also think that Amanda's survivor skills are way better than many of the women we have seen in recent years. If you notice she always seems to be working around camp, doesn't whine about how bad it is, and is pretty good at the challenges. AND she did do the right thing by alligning with the girls after Ozzy's boot. She knows that there is no way she can win against James/Erik/Jason. People can argue that Amanda can still win becase Danni had somewhwat the same edit. And they didn't even show Danni orchestrating Blake's exit, even though people said she was the one who did it. But this season it is between Cirie and Parvati. And Parvati is going to get ripped by Eliza, Ozzy, and James because they are bitter and she will loose to Cirie. That's my call. Also: James will most probably return for the Jury tahn not return at all becuase for the ponderosa videos for Jason, they don't show Jason or the others going to TC. They did it for Ozzy and Eliza. This is most probably because James is with them and they cannot show it. And isn't Alexis shown having her ankles wrapped in cloth in one of the photos at the next RC? But who says laying low for awhile and letting others think they are in charge is a bad strategy... Even Cirie said "Anybody but me." and I think smart players are ones who know that there are times when you follow and timse when you lead. For example, part of Amanda/Todd's strategy was to let Aaron think he was in charge. They planned on letting him think he was in charge and then dump him before the Final 3. If you listen when Amanda was talking to Cirie before merge, she made a comment, just let Ozzy think he's in charge. When you think about it, this type of play is smart because it let's you listen, get a feel for who you are playing with, and then you know when to make your move. Plus, it keeps the target off our back! There is a time in the game where it's a good idea to lay low, and a time when it's a good idea to take charge. For example, Rob C didn't really control the game for the entire time in Amazon. For a long time he was a follower. He was Fifth in his alliance with the men, and then Fourth in Alex's alliance, and he followed until Final 7, when he made a move to ensure he controlled the game. When you think about it, that type of playing is just plain SMART. By the time others realized Rob was in control, those in his alliance needed him too much. Nobody wanted to face Jenna/Heidi at the end. The thing about Amanda is just because she lays low at times, doesn't necessarily mean she's content to let fate happen to her. I think the jury would respect her taking out Alexis. Not necessarily because they don't like Alexis they do. (lots of people liked Ozzy too) But becasue how can you not respect siomeone like Amanda saying. I'm sorry but I just refuse to put my fate into Pavarti's hands. I felt like I had to limit Pavarti's actions. And when you think about it, if she makes this argument to the jury, it migth get Alexis/Natalie thinking. Why exactly did we trust Pavarti? We knew that she was lying to others, why did we trust that she'd choose us over Cirie/Amanda etc. This type of thing illustrates why Amanda is a better player than the Alexis, Natalie, Denise types. Amanda really can't receive much credit if she makes it to the F3...she's attractive, a very athletic female, and dull enough to be easy to win against. On paper, she'd at least make the jury in any season and the F3 always if her tribe has the majority. In other words, her god-given ass-ets are really what get her far...the rest of the time she sits around and fails to make key game moves because she doesn't really need to. Nobody in the history of this show has ever been given the free pass that she has. Right because convincing Todd/Courtney that NOW was the right time to backstab James wasn't a game move that wasn't a game move at all. Quite frankly one could argue that same for Todd. Todd didn't really make that many game moves either. Not really. His tribe was in the majority, he had a majority alliance within that tribal majority (Courtney/Todd/Amanda) and that was that. And the thing is Amanda did play an important role in that alliance of Todd/Courtney/Amanda because Amanda won the key immunties. Without her, one of Todd/Courtney would not have been in the finals because Denise and Pei Gee were clearly better at challenges. Last Edited By: Relynn 04/29/08 4:19 PM. Edited 1 times.
chsdz		#3718	[-]
Posts: 4 (04/29/08 4:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	my favorites have been voted out already, so i don't have any strong preference. but i have to rebut your point on amanda being lucky and sailing through. she did orchestrate the james boot in china, which imo, it the reason why todd won. had james not been voted out that week, he'd have sat pretty in the f4 and would have probably won the ic. in the final 3, no one would have beat james, and amanda knew that. and if she makes it to the f3, she definitely had to work hard to get there, because right now it seems like she's the 5th wheel in the all girl alliance. somehow, i think james is very irritable this season. he's constantly unhappy and pulling a long face. and really doesn't know how to play the game at all. he expects people to be loyal, he expects people to be straight up. i actually think that if ever he made it f3 this season, he wouldn't get many jury votes. (in china he would have though, based on the betrayals and who was on the jury) and i think eric might not necessarily get votes either, because he's the fan who tried so hard to mingle with the favorites, but failed. and amanda reminded cirie and parvati in the episode ami was voted out, that eric pushed her head under water (or something like that), so i don't think people will forget how aggressive eric can be, beneath his nice and friendly exterior. i think cirie is the one person who will get a lot of votes. and parvati, i'm guessing, would get nat's and alex's vote. i think the botha them are her dogs. they seem to worship her. its like the cool girl taking in the fans under her wings. like i said, i think its because she's really good at socialising and she knows how to become a likeable person. key word: become... which i think takes a lot of skill. hopefully the cirie parvati amanda f3 pan out because i think the three of them are the most deserving.
survivorready		#3719	[-]
Posts: 180 (04/29/08 4:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: Yeah, James/Erik/Jason all had GOAT written on their foreheads. Ozzy didn't due to the "celebrity" factor. James and Erik would win hands down over Amanda. Alexi, Natalie, Jason, and Eliza would vote for them. Jason might win or might not win. Depends on how he perfoms at the final TC.
craig		#3720	[-]
Posts: 12962 (04/29/08 4:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's sad for game but based on recent history, the chicks have good reason to be paranoid about facing a dick in F3.

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