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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Chris may have been handfed the plan, but it wouldn't have worked without him, since Eliza would never listen to Twila or Scout.
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Oowatanite wrote: If Jenna or Rupert had any sense in them they could have used ShiiAnn the way Tom and Ian used Caryn at the F6 in Pulau tried to strongarm Romber into voting out Tom or even strongarming Tom to vote out Romber. If they stick to a F3 deal with her they take the risk of her winning the final immunity and the game but it gives them a much better chance to make the end than their deal with Romber did. Even Twila and Scout in Vanuatu were better off making the move they did. The off chance the final immunity was not a physical one so they could upset Chris was a better option than being at the mercy of LeAnn and Ami in which neither of them likely even make F3. Pagonging is only a smart strategy if you are at the top of the pecking order and have solid control over the votes. |
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Zesty66 |
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Chris won because of his charm. You must be doing something right if you are in the final 5 and every person there trusts you. Julie said in the
post-show interviews that Chris just had a natural charm that made you want to believe and trust him. IMO, he dosen't get enough credit and would most
likely be in my top 3 winners. Danni was also a great winner and accomplished something similar to Chris, except I think she does get credit.
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chapera rocks |
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Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Right, but I don't really consider not alienating someone brilliant gameplay. That's the mistake Scout/Twila made, but Chris didn't. Pulling someone in who'd be voted out otherwise really isn't that amazing, IMO. |
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Edinboro |
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chapera rocks wrote: Yes it is, because look how it turned out. |
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0 hail mary 0 |
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I still think Danni is one of the luckiest winners ever. Her making it out alive was all Rafe's stupidity. She didn't even do anything
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Oowatanite |
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But see, the fact that it was such a terrible move to keep Danni/Chris is a reason that I think they deserved to win
I mean, Danni totally played Rafe. She played the post-merge situation perfect, to a tee. She laid low at first, saw the alliances, and knew where the cracks were. She then ripped them open and put herself in a great position to win. Sure, she was at the mercy of Rafe, but she still got him to do what she wanted, and considering she really didn't have any other cards, she played that one perfectly.
Chris, I don't give as much credit because Twila and Scout hand fed him the plan and he just went along. But after Leann got taken out, he played a stellar, incredible game... he was just pretty lucky to be put in that situation
If Jenna or Rupert had any sense in them they could have used ShiiAnn the way Tom and Ian used Caryn at the F6 in Pulau tried to strongarm Romber into voting out Tom or even strongarming Tom to vote out Romber. If they stick to a F3 deal with her they take the risk of her winning the final immunity and the game but it gives them a much better chance to make the end than their deal with Romber did.
Pagonging is only a smart strategy if you are at the top of the pecking order and have solid control over the votes
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daggers44 |
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Skupin is one of my all time faves.
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YemaGrl1988 |
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Vecepia at 166?
*As I make a new list and put Romber last* EDIT: Congrats you got 1200 :) |
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Edinboro |
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You people are such f***** losers..If you win the game , you deserve it..hands down.
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kenc333 |
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Edinboro wrote: I agree with your opinion but not with your wording =P
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chapera rocks |
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Yes it is, because look how it turned out.I think Chris played brilliantly after he survived final 7. But the move at final 7 was not anything impressive on his part. So what if he got Eliza to vote with them? Anyone who didn't piss her off would have been able to do that. Chris was just sitting back and Twila/Scunt hand fed him the plan. Yes, and getting rid of Judd was absolutely retarded. But Danni played Rafe. She got Lydia and herself to let Judd incriminate himself and stretched what he said to make it look like Judd was threatening both Rafe and Steph's positions. It was brilliant the way she played it, IMO. Just thinking about it, Rafe was a pretty good player. A pretty good player isn't going to make dumb move after dumb move without someone playing him. Danni played him and got him to do things he shouldn't have done. Exactly, I 100% agree. Anyone who didn't piss off Eliza could have gotten Eliza's vote. Chris didn't do anything special. He just put the last piece of the puzzle in, and he was handed the piece. I still think he played an amazing game after that though.
Yay thanks <3 |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Oowatanite wrote: Normally it would make sense in a non all star season to try and get Tom to vote with them at F5 but he had a very solid out of game friendship with Rob so
if he was gonna go with one side it would most likely been Romber. I could at least see from Jennas prespective not wanting to make any move at 5 or 6 but
since she treated people badly as Rob did and could have lost to nearly anyone in F2. Tom and Rupert though could have risked losing jury votes by at least
attempting some big moves at F6. Of course ShiiAnn or Kathy could have won if they snuck to the end that doesn't mean it's a bad risk to use their vote
for 1 round or two to better position yourself in the game
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Oowatanite wrote:So Denise and even James for example did the right thing by not flipping and going with P G and Erik ? So Gregg was better waiting until F5 in Pulau instead of siding with the girls to vote off Tom at F7? Letting Stephanie advance one more round would have clearly just handed her the game. Not siding with Alex at F7 clearly paid off in the end for Stacey,Boo,Cassandra and Dreamz In the end not flipping with the Pagongs surely paid off for Dr Sean and Kelly |
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Oowatanite |
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GnarlsInCharge wrote: Not siding with Alex at F7 clearly paid off in the end for Stacey,Boo,Cassandra and Dreamz. In the end not flipping with the Pagongs surely paid off for Dr Sean and Kelly. What's your point here ? That all of these players lost because they didn't flip to the stragglers ? Where's Yau-man in your example ? Where's Sue and Rudy ? Where's Colby ? Where's RobM ? Where's Clay ? Where's Ozzy ? You're right, though. Flipping to the stragglers really works out. Ask Twila and Scout and Steph and Rafe and Lydia. OOPS !!!! Wait a minute. They lost in the end. To the very straggler they "used". Hmmmmmmmmmm.......... So Denise and even James for example did the right thing by not flipping and going with PG and Erik ? If Denise flips to Erik and/or PG, she loses in the finale to either one of them. Her best bet would be F5 where she would join up with PG and Amanda, for example, and boot Todd and then Courtney. But both she and Amanda end up losing to PG in the F3. Great for PG, but lousy for the betrayers from FL. And there was no need for James to flip, since he had the security (he thought) of the two HIIs. So Gregg was better waiting until F5 in Pulau instead of siding with the girls to vote off Tom at F7? Letting Stephanie advance one more round would have clearly just handed her the game. Gregg's original plan was Gregg/Jenn/Coby/Janu overthrowing TIK at F7, after booting Steph and Caryn. Coby's implosion at F9 screwed Gregg's plan up. Why should Gregg keep Steph around ? She would more likely be used by TIK to boot GJ. The right call was to get rid of the wild card Steph. Gregg had the agreement with Katie and Jenn to boot Tom or Ian at F5 after Caryn gets booted at F6. Only Katie's weakness in the face of Ian's directive caused Gregg's blindside. The four girls should have booted Tom at F7, leaving Gregg's hands blood-free, but, as Katie aptly put it, "Caryn SUCKS". |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Oowatanite wrote: Why was getting rid of Steph the right call for anyone other than Tom considering everyone was paranoid she could slide to the end? If Katie-Jenn-Gregg would have voted off Tom at F7 they could have easily done damage control with Ian and if not team up with Steph 1 more round to get Caryn out since Ian ended up winning immunity at F6. The only way that backfires is if Steph herself goes on a immunity run for 3 straight rounds run which is unlikely considering how the individual challenges were geared towards the males that season. |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Oowatanite wrote:My point was some people are in immovable 4th or 5th place positions within their tribe and their chances to manuever themselves up the pecking order looked slim they would have been better off flipping with the minority tribe at some time. And Denise did try to try to get Amanda to flip and she was having none of it. Better for her to take the small chance she would have at beating Phei Gee in a final vote instead of a guranteed 4th . Using Danni's vote to take out people who were close to Steph was a good move by Rafe but like everyone has said before his only problem was not taking her out at F4 because he was worried about a Kim Johnson like final challenge win by Lydia. As for Scout had she not flipped with Chris at F7 she would have finished in 5th place so even in retrospect her making the move she did and hoping their was an off chance her or Twila could win the final challenge is better than sticking with the women and being in the 0 percent chance of even making F3 . |
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chapera rocks |
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Answers + Next batch
Willard Smith - B) That he's half Black. I still don't see it. Danielle DiLorenzo - A) Shane vs. Danielle 1: About work -- what a hilarious exchange Dirk Been - D) Angry Vecepia Towery - C) She was black and there hadn't been a black winner yet Mitchell Olson - True Kel Gleason - C) Amused Travis Sampson - True Diane Ogden - B) Diane, though D was a close second Michael Skupin - B) Confused... wtf with returning players?? Since no one seems interested, I'll just skip the questions from here on out.
159. Peter Harkey (Survivor Marquesas) I hated Peter when I first watched Marquesas. I thought he was a jerk for the way he handled the voting situation, not to mention he was a so weird, especially with all the holes talk. Plus, my fave, Gina, didn't like him. But rewatching the season, he was a great character for a first boot and was far more developed then many people who make it to the end game in recent seasons. I appreciate him as a character and I think his quirks are entertaining, so he makes it this high.
158. Patricia Jackson (Survivor Marquesas) I actually liked Mama. I thought she was a riot to watch. She was pretty funny with her barking orders, and the tool tree scene was pretty hilarious. In the first episode, I felt bad for her, and I was rooting for her to get out of the poor situation in the tribe that she was in. Plus, she hooked up with Gina and Hunter's alliance. <3 Unfortunately, I really don't want to put her much higher than this. Her bossy side was a bit much at times as well.
157. Todd Herzog (Survivor China) This was the winner who I originally had at #193. During China, I thought Todd was a cocky asshole and I really detested him because he thought he was so much better than everyone else. But to be honest, he kind of was. Strategically at least. He kicked a lot of ass, and he backed all his talk up with action. Even his "questionable" moves like giving James the idol and voting out JR over James had reasonable explanations. The only weakness was that Amanda pretty much decided how far he'd go in the game towards the end, but she misjudged that he was hated by the jury. But he was totally at her mercy, and he didn't even know it.
156. Lillian Morris (Survivor Pearl Islands) I really liked Lill at first. I thought she was a sweet woman, and it was too bad she was outcasted at Morgan. Though she kind of asked for it when she ratted out the person who was trying to help her game. But I digress. When she came back, I absolutely loathed her. She whined, she cried over petty retarded shit, she complained, she had NO mind of her own... she kept asking Burton and Jon to tell her exactly what to do and say etc. And then she had the audacity to question Sandra's ability to think for herself. But she did get treated pretty poorly. I <3 Sandra, but kicking sand in Lill's face? Not cool. The only reason Lill makes it this high is because by the end of the season, she wised up and started playing the game for herself. And her final TC speech where she called everyone out on their self-righteous bullshit was amazing. <3
155. Chad Crittenden (Survivor Vanuatu)
154. Nick Stanbury (Survivor Panama Exile Island) Nick was kind of boring, but he makes it this high because he was a pretty genuine guy, and he was part of the La Mina alliance which I was rooting for pretty hard core. <3 La Mina + Cirie. But yeah, mostly up here by association.
153. Brook Geraghty (Survivor Vanuatu) I was a big fan of Brook during Vanuatu, and seeing his audition tape made me like him even more. He really had a lot of heart for the game, and I think if the young guys hadn't been stupid enough to turn down Sarge, he would have done really well in the game. The chips just didn't fall right. Probably would have done better if it weren't gender divided to. But his post-show mediawhoreness puts him a lot lower than he would have been.
152. Katie Gallagher (Survivor Palau) Katie would probably be about 100 spots lower if I didn't love her post show, because her commentary on those DVD's were absolutely hilarious. She's a really, really funny gal, and I wish she had been as funny on the show. But instead, she was lazy, bitchy, rude, obnoxious and just plain pathetic. I really did not enjoy her in Palau at all, but her post show hilarity brings her up 100 notches.
151. Brady Finta (Survivor Vanuatu) In the opening episode, I really liked Brady. He was nice, smart, and seemed like a good guy who would do really well. I had him pegged in the final 4 pre-show, I believe. But he kind of floundered with the young guys and pretty much was a sitting duck. Though he was kind of boring for several episodes, which puts him low. But what brings him up was his tenacity to stay in the game and try very hard to provide etc. He had potential, and in any other season, he probably would have done really well.
150. Stacey Stillman (Survivor Borneo) For someone who almost brought down my favourite show, she should probably be a lot lower, but I liked Stacey on the show. I sided with her in the whole Rudy conflict, because I did think Rudy was being an ass, opening things he wasn't supposed to be opening etc. But Stacey was kind of a bitch, and she did sue the show, so she's lower than I would have put her. But I thought she was an interesting character, kind of wish she made it further. |
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chapera rocks |
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astroline |
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This is the best fucking list ever. I can't believe Kim Mullen is in both the top 10 (9, actually) for her season and in the top 150 overall. <3
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