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 Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2075 (01/05/08 10:59 PM) Registered user |
BeaconBright wrote: Are you suggesting he should have keep Nakomis? |
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 268 (01/05/08 11:16 PM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: I don't think Nakomis was much of a threat. Chilltown on the other hand most definitely was. Would things have been different for him had gone for CT? I don't know. I guess we'll never know. It wouldn't have kept the bigger threat in the game but I'm not sure anyone thought CT was a bigger threat than FOUR sovs, especially since everyone thought CT was in their own alliance. |
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Posts: 1311 (01/05/08 11:57 PM) |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: I DO!!!!!!!!! duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhh
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Sardonically Irreverent |
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Posts: 11943 (01/06/08 2:35 AM) Registered user |
The Jets were the white ones, right? I haven't seen West Side Story in months.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2078 (01/06/08 9:05 AM) Registered user |
No,Danielle gave the game to CT. I dont care what Kaysar thinks. If she had booted George, the SOVS most likely would target Marcy next. Then CT. Dani had
nothing to fear from Kaysar. Nakomis was a huge threat to win HOH every single time. Your argument makes no sense
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The SovereignOne |
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Posts: 454 (01/06/08 10:36 AM) Registered user |
ChillTown was not a threat at that point in Week 2! They werent trying to win HOH and Will has admitted to the fact that he wouldnt have minded being voted out
before jury. Boogie didnt get his HOH until Week 6 which proves they were not a good choice to target early on, there were bigger fish to catch. Kaysar
did have a strategy on BBAS, and he made it very clear from day one - attack and target the floaters. He saw the writing on the wall long
before anyone else did. He realized that the floater almost always weezles there way into the F3. He saw it on 6 and he didnt want to have a repeat of history.
If Nakomis didnt go Week 2, she most likely would have skated her way right to the F4, same thing with Diane. And as I have said before, he was absolutley
right with his judgment! Examples - Chicken George = Final 5, won an HOH, and screwed over everyone's game - Erika = Final 2, won several compeitions down
the stretch, and although doing practically nothing throughout the season had a seat in the F2. Kaysar made two mistakes on AS, 1) He fell off the Spider Web
in Week 5 and 2) He didnt play POV (although there is no guarentee he would have won) in that same week. Besides from that, he was right on the money with his
line of thinking and if Danielle doesnt swear on her children's lives to Howie on the Web, he keeps playing.
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 269 (01/06/08 10:45 AM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:How does my argument not make any sense? And how was Nakomis any bigger of a threat than anyone else, especially CT? 'Cause she could win HOH every time? Yeah, so could any of them! I used to think she was brilliant. Then I learned here that the five-finger plan wasn't even her concept. So she had nothing. Sov One, the final three on BB6 were not floaters. And you know what argument has NEVER made sense to me? That the winner of the game was never a threat. Just think about that one for a second. |
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The SovereignOne |
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Posts: 455 (01/06/08 11:39 AM) Registered user |
BeaconBright wrote:Maggie and Janey no, Ivette yes. outside of her final HOH win (which came down to the most rediculous question in the history of reality tv), she won one other HOH (that was thrown to her by maggie) and one POV with only 4 ppl left. Outside of that all she did the whole season was run her mouth and make claims she couldnt back up. And your right the winner of the game is absolutley a threat, and that was Kaysar's point! Floaters are extremley dangerous and need to be taken out early or they will hurt you in the end game. That was his goal. |
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 273 (01/06/08 12:24 PM) Registered user |
The SovereignOne wrote: Chilltown won. That's who he wouldn't take out. Thank you for proving my point.
You wish you were as cool as Evel Dick!
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2080 (01/06/08 12:39 PM) Registered user |
BB,the game is more nuanced then you give credit for. If Kaysar knocked out Boogie,wouldnt that just be giving power to the floaters and or James? Nakomis won
alot of HOHs on bb5,and was firmly against the sovs on all stars. She was more of a threat then chilltown. Btw, the bb8ers couldnt split up the Donatos because
the show was rigged
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The SovereignOne |
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Posts: 456 (01/06/08 12:41 PM) Registered user |
BeaconBright wrote: Yes, ChillTown won, the heavy hitters... because nakomis, diane, and marcellas werent around once the jury point hit, it allowed the people who were actually playing the game in a strategic sense to make there moves. Kaysar and The Sovs were setting it up so that it came down to them, dani, and CT. Seven smart and strong players batteling it out in the end. And again, CT was not a threat until Week 6 when Boogie won HOH, that fact cant be disputed, because they had no real power before then. Besides, lets say Kaysar does target Will and Boogie in Week 2 and one of them go, then you know very well that a Nakomis or Diane could have gone on to win the game. Its all relative to how they played the overall game, Boogie didnt win AS because Kaysar didnt put him up Week 2, he won because he played an outstanding game from start to finish and was one of the 3 ppl in that house deserving of the win. |
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 274 (01/06/08 8:42 PM) Registered user |
Ya know, I actually don't fault Kaysar that much for not going after CT. He thought he could use them. He was wrong, but he tried, I guess. I just wish he
hadn't been such a jerk to James when he wanted to do it, when James was the only Sov willing to do the dirty work. Well Howie would have taken out CT too.
But sadly, he never got an HOH.
I'll never agree with you that Nakomis was a bigger threat than CT. They played two seasons and won them BOTH. How far did Nak get in either season? It's true that if CT were gone, someone else would have won. That's the only logical outcome. But you can always say 'what if'. The bottom line is that yes, Boogie did play a better game than anyone. I don't get the nuances of BB? How about this for nuance - it has little to do with how many comps you win. It has to do with how well you play the other HGs. CT didn't win a comp early on because they didn't need to. They had everyone else in the house doing their dirty work for them. As for giving credit, give it where it's due - to CT. Kaysar didn't take them out and they won. No one else took them out either. Did any of the All Stars even watch season two? GRAVE mistake to leave CT in the game. And you can argue that all you want, but the outcome says it all on its own.
You wish you were as cool as Evel Dick!
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2085 (01/07/08 1:57 PM) Registered user |
Of course I think Will is the best player ever,hes my screenname for crying out loud! And Boogie played a respectful game game as well,he won didnt he? But you
never responded to my postulate,that Danielle made a big mistake booting Kaysar week 5, that she should have booted George instead
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Posts: 14921 (01/07/08 2:19 PM) BB Moderator |
The Jets were the white ones, right? I haven't seen West Side Story in months. 
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 277 (01/07/08 4:57 PM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: I don't really see how its a mistake. I like Kaysar a lot. So I always had hope he'd take his head out of his ass and play the game and show everyone that the third time is the charm! Maybe she just had the same faith in him that I did so she got rid of him while she could! lol
You wish you were as cool as Evel Dick!
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2086 (01/07/08 5:07 PM) Registered user |
No,she thought Kaysar was targeting her next. But that wouldnt be sensible as Marcellus is more of a wildcard and that it would alienate James.
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 280 (01/07/08 7:20 PM) Registered user |
Maybe someone should ask Kaysar who he was going to target next had he gotten HOH that week instead of Dani? Other than that, who the hell knows? I also wish
Dani had gone farther. I used to have such HUGE respect for her!
You wish you were as cool as Evel Dick!
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lavonne |
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Posts: 181 (01/08/08 6:42 AM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: Kaysar didn't give a crap about alienating James. He told James in week 2 that "This is my HOH, and I will do what I want, when you are HOH, you can do what you want" as they discussed nominations.....or should I say, as James was discussing nominating CT and Kaysar was having none of it....the bonehead! The whole damn cast was in bed with CT....that is the reason they both made it to the final 4 and Boogie won. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 2091 (01/08/08 5:50 PM) Registered user |
Then all the more the reason to target floaters, as Will wont even try for HOH and Boogie only won after most of his competition left. If Ka ysar boots Boogie
week 2,we would all be calling him a dumbass for being outwitted by a Texan,and if the floaters dominated, Chilltowns done too,its not as if Will has Jedi
powers you know
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BeaconBright |
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Posts: 285 (01/08/08 10:25 PM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: Oh ye of little faith in you own hero! And again, Boogie didn't win comps early on because he didn't need to.
You wish you were as cool as Evel Dick!
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