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CSCin3D wrote:

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Once again, the idea that Aras "held Casaya together" is manufactured crap that makes no sense at all.

Yep, it seems to me like the people that defend Aras can only come up with vague, abstract arguments for why they think he's underrated. I never see them give specific examples of anything he did that was the least bit impressive, other than threaten Danielle at the end. You expect me to believe he let Terry win all those immunities? Name one challenge Aras threw and provide some corroboration for it. If he wanted Terry to keep winning, why didn't he eat the burgers like everybody else? Why did he say "My ego has been crushed" at the end, if having Terry beat him in every challenge was part of his strategy? None of it makes any sense to me. We should praise him for "holding Casaya together?" They had a majority at the merge. What were they going to do, flip over to La Mina and be at the bottom of Terry's alliance? That would have made no sense, and Aras lucked out that the girls outmaneuvered him to boot turncoat-in-waiting Bobdawg. He also lucked out that Bruce, whom he had insulted and transparently patronized, had a timely medical emergency just as he was considering defecting (according to him, anyway). The fact that the 6 Casayas voted together for the first three post-merge boots had more to do with a simple numbers game than any real solidarity, or anything that Aras did.

nordicsurvivor wrote:

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Well how about him talking Shane back in the game when he had already decided to quit?!?

What I seem to recall is that Shane had asked them to vote him off, and they weren't going to. He was more like Shawna than Osten. I could be wrong, but I don't remember Shane ever saying he would lay his torch down, so whether he left was entirely up to his alliance.

Well, in his post-game interviews he clearly stated he was losing to keep Terry winning and at the F6 TC he said in front of everyone that he thought he was Casaya's only chance of ever beating Terry ( which implies he has now realized he should keep Terry in the game as long as possible ).

It doesn't imply that at all. He was stating the obvious: that if they voted him out, Terry's chances of winning the rest of the challenges would go up, which they didn't want to happen. I have seen no evidence that Aras actually tried to keep Terry in the game, even though Terry's immunity streak ironically helped him. Throwing challenges would have made no sense, because if Terry was unable to win a challenge, it would have been imperative for Aras to win it instead. Aras had more to lose from Terry's streak being broken than Terry did, and I have a hard time believing he had enough faith in Terry's invincibility to lose on purpose. So I'm sceptical even if Aras claimed to have let Terry win after the fact (you've provided no links to these interviews, so as far as I'm concerned, it's hearsay).

Well, obviously, he had to maintain his "Golden boy" -appearance in front of the jury. Aras, like most of the other winners, knew very well there were gonna be challenges that could possible harm a player's social game if he played it wrong.

If you're just speculating and making random guesses to explain Aras's actions, don't expect to change my mind without any corroborating evidence. You're telling me Aras passed up a meal just to lose a challenge on purpose, thinking the jury would reward him for it? Then why didn't he mention the fact that he participated and Danielle chose to eat? Danielle stupidly brought it up, and unless the footage was excised, Aras made no attempt to use it to his advantage.

And do you think Terry would've voted for Aras if he openly stated "I was losing to you all the time".

Maybe not, but Aras said "My ego has been crushed" to the camera, not to Terry. If he wasn't trying to win, there was no reason for Terry's dominance to crush his ego. If anything, he should have gloated about how his strategy of riding Terry's immunity streak worked perfectly.

Like that hasn't happened before? Even if they didn't flip at the first post-merge TC, there was still the possibility it would happen within the first three tribal council, when it was Aras who would go.

Whether it's happened in the past is irrelevant, since it involved factors and circumstances that didn't necessarily apply to the season we're talking about. The only issue is whether anybody on Casaya was willing to consider that option, and what, if anything, Aras did to deter them. If you can't give specific examples, it's pointless to say something to the effect of "Nobody flipped, so it must have been because of something Aras did, even if we don't know what it was."