Piss Poor jury performance by Amanda

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Cassidy666		#101	[-]
Posts: 6637 (12/18/07 11:06 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love all this discussion picking apart how badly Amanda screwed up. Amanda should have been actively thinking about how to handle people even while the game was going on and finding out how they thought. It's apparent she didn't take the time to get to know everyone well enough. And then besides not owning her moves and thus not garnering any respect, she had to contend with great jury performances from Courtney and Todd. Fantastic. She got what she deserved.
gab500		#102	[-]
Posts: 991 (12/18/07 11:21 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cassidy666 wrote: I love all this discussion picking apart how badly Amanda screwed up. Amanda should have been actively thinking about how to handle people even while the game was going on and finding out how they thought. It's apparent she didn't take the time to get to know everyone well enough. And then besides not owning her moves and thus not garnering any respect, she had to contend with great jury performances from Courtney and Todd. Fantastic. She got what she deserved. Part of the shock over Amanda's poor FTC performance, I think, is due to MB's deceptive editing. IMO, we were led to believe that Amanda's social game was much better than it really was. For instance, we were carefully shown in numerous episodes how she tried to "buddy up to" and comfort whoever was on the chopping block, like the "good cop" to Todd's "bad cop." She always seemed to be sympathetic, apologetic and sad to see the person go, but acted like her hands were tied because of her alliance's strategy. The PG boot episode where Amanda and PG "bonded" really took this over the top. The real misdirection in the editing was that Todd apparently was well-liked and had a much better social game than we were shown, Amanda wasn't as good at relating to and reading people as we were led to believe, and this wouldn't be another bitter jury voting out of personal revenge but one that respected gameplay.
Mind The Gap1		#103	[-]
Posts: 506 (12/18/07 11:48 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	'm still shocked. In 15 seasons I've never been more shocked about the winner than I am now. Amanda's edit the entire season just screamed winner IMO. Todd had the typical "plays too hard" edit à la StepheME, Boston Rob, Twila etc Wyldawg, I thought the same thing. So many times I have been let down when someone like Amber or Brian wins. The editors actually made it look like Amanda had shown more sympathy, thus getting the votes, but it was refreshing and shocking to see the schemer win, the last time I felt like that was when Richard won.
speedyforme		#104	[-]
Posts: 5931 (12/18/07 12:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with everyone, besides the crappy performance, I am happy PG called out Amanda's BS sad face Also, we were deceived, we were shown Amanda as articulate, calm and friendly and we were shown Todd as scheming and right down antsy in confessionals. Complete opposite to what we saw at FTC. It was fun to watch. This whole beauty pageant and sales and marketing thing NEVER turns out. Danni sucked at her TC, Katie got creamed regardless of her backgrouns, Danielle sucked and now Amanda. Your profession really has NOTHING to do with how you deliver your words...
MediaDude		#105	[-]
Posts: 346 (12/18/07 3:34 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gab500 wrote: Part of the shock over Amanda's poor FTC performance, I think, is due to MB's deceptive editing. IMO, we were led to believe that Amanda's social game was much better than it really was. For instance, we were carefully shown in numerous episodes how she tried to "buddy up to" and comfort whoever was on the chopping block, like the "good cop" to Todd's "bad cop." She always seemed to be sympathetic, apologetic and sad to see the person go, but acted like her hands were tied because of her alliance's strategy. The PG boot episode where Amanda and PG "bonded" really took this over the top. The real misdirection in the editing was that Todd apparently was well-liked and had a much better social game than we were shown, Amanda wasn't as good at relating to and reading people as we were led to believe, and this wouldn't be another bitter jury voting out of personal revenge but one that respected gameplay. The best summary of the season I have read thus far. It was a brilliant editing job and only a few clues along the way that revealed the truth of what was going on. The truth we did not see. Example: When Amanda and Courtney agreed that Todd always "twists stuff" and gets away with it because nothing seems to stick to him. I loved Courtney but she did not deserve more votes than Amanda. That was some fucked up shit.
finishthemoff		#106	[-]
Posts: 7054 (12/18/07 3:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	is Todd a true BB2's Will clone?
MediaDude		#107	[-]
Posts: 347 (12/18/07 3:42 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	finishthemoff wrote: is Todd a true BB2's Will clone? No. Fucking. Way. Todd isn't half the manipulator Will was. The end games were kinda of the same: don't blame me for lying, blame yourself for falling for the lies. The stuff Will accomplished goes beyond any moves Todd pulled in Survivor. You could argue that the typical BB mactor is about as sharp as a tennis ball though thus making Will's job easier? There is only one Dr. Evil and he rules the world.
mundo446		#108	[-]
Posts: 887 (12/18/07 5:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Got to hand to the jury and MB. Least bitter jury ever, and a great editing job that completly fooled me along with pretty much everyone, especially compared to the past few season's obvious winner.
Peteybird		#109	[-]
Posts: 198 (12/18/07 7:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I really liked Amanda throughout the whole show, but I cannot fucking stand people who just answer with "okay" when they are called out on something. she blew it big time at the end because she just could not admit how much she lied. Pity, as she played a very good game.
QualityBobby		#110	[-]
Posts: 3944 (12/18/07 7:16 PM) O.o Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	finishthemoff wrote: is Todd a true BB2's Will clone? Dude.... I think Todd is great and all, and an awesome winner, but let's not compare him to the strategic master of all reality shows, FTO. Dr. Will >>>>> all
The SovereignOne		#111	[-]
Posts: 398 (12/18/07 7:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	finishthemoff wrote: is Todd a true BB2's Will clone? todd was good at what he did, but lets not get carried away here... not nearly as smart or clever, and not even in the ballpark when it comes to entertainment
growsonwalls		#112	[-]
Posts: 2674 (12/18/07 9:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Todd is cool, but Dr. Will will always be the most grandly devious reality show contestant of all time. And the most entertaining. As for Amanda's jury performance, I think a major issue was that she spoke like she had the game in the bag. Smile, act fakely apologetic, remind everyone of what a nice person she was ... This kind of jury performance only works if you actually have the game in the bag, and Amanda did not. Todd and Courtney on the other hand spoke like they were going to fight and earn every jury vote, and the jury awarded that passion and competitiveness.
Jars of Cliche		#113	[-]
Posts: 428 (12/18/07 9:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MediaDude wrote: gab500 wrote: Part of the shock over Amanda's poor FTC performance, I think, is due to MB's deceptive editing. IMO, we were led to believe that Amanda's social game was much better than it really was. For instance, we were carefully shown in numerous episodes how she tried to "buddy up to" and comfort whoever was on the chopping block, like the "good cop" to Todd's "bad cop." She always seemed to be sympathetic, apologetic and sad to see the person go, but acted like her hands were tied because of her alliance's strategy. The PG boot episode where Amanda and PG "bonded" really took this over the top. The real misdirection in the editing was that Todd apparently was well-liked and had a much better social game than we were shown, Amanda wasn't as good at relating to and reading people as we were led to believe, and this wouldn't be another bitter jury voting out of personal revenge but one that respected gameplay. The best summary of the season I have read thus far. It was a brilliant editing job and only a few clues along the way that revealed the truth of what was going on. The truth we did not see. Example: When Amanda and Courtney agreed that Todd always "twists stuff" and gets away with it because nothing seems to stick to him. I loved Courtney but she did not deserve more votes than Amanda. That was some fucked up shit. Ditto to everything but Courtney not deserving more votes. I liked how Amanda was pro-active during the season, but at FC, she seemed to become a shrinking Violet.
AllMenAreIslands		#114	[-]
Posts: 22913 (12/18/07 11:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gab500 wrote: ...Remember: a lot of jury members are extremely pissed off and bitter for getting voted out and are looking for an ego boost and apology... They might think they want an apology, but they don't. I agree they want an ego boost, but they also really want an explanation. They want to find out you were lying, or something. I think that most jurors DO want to vote for the best player. If given a choice between someone owning up to unsavory behavior and someone apologizing, they'll choose the former.
Jars of Cliche		#115	[-]
Posts: 446 (12/18/07 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LOL@ they want to find out if you were lying. If you are sitting in the juror's box, there is a 100% chance you were lied to. Duh cubed
AllMenAreIslands		#116	[-]
Posts: 22914 (12/18/07 11:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And the manner in which you own up to the fact of lying is important. Todd is definitely worthy of being compared with Dr. Will, for the simple fact of owning up to lying (albeit at different points in the game) and managing to make people feel like they had to vote for him. It wasn't a landslide, but it didn't need to be.
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor		#117	[-]
Posts: 5419 (12/18/07 11:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Amanda didn't even deserve the one vote she received...and the rationale behind it was one big logical fallacy that had my head spinning. Of course, said vote giver was called out as a horrible Survivor player by the suddenly outspoken (Are You Anorexic? Do you have sex?) Probst.
Jars of Cliche		#118	[-]
Posts: 447 (12/18/07 11:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I got the feeling that Erik's vote was a wink to Amanda, meaning should things not work out between me and Shiny Chin, let's you and me hit the sack, ma'am.

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