An idea to improve Survivor so that weaklings dont comprise the finals

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finishthemoff		#1921	[-]
Posts: 12970 (11/25/08 10:40 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I ignore him... unlike many others. How can a thread go to MI?
CAPSattack		#1922	[-]
Posts: 155 (11/25/08 12:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	POP, LOCK AND DROP IT
ArtieeLange		#1923	[-]
Posts: 373 (11/25/08 7:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tdugan333 wrote: Give us all one specific example of a "strong" player from the entire list of Survivor contestants, one you consider "weak" and then be specific as to why. I bet you won't do it As always, I will easily refute your entire argument in multiple ways, and using just the latest season, proving yet again there are no valid arguments against my system,. Michelle was stronger than Gillian, and yet Michelle was voted off first. Jacqui was stronger than Kelly, and yet Jacqui was voted off first. There are endless examples, due to the inherent flaws of the team system. The problem with this system is that it doesn't define "strong" "weak" "better" or "worse", it defines "luckiest" "unluckiest" "advantaged" and "disadvantaged". My system reflects a true survival atmosphere, allowing the participants to define what happens next. People compete fairly and socialize naturally, not artificially based on what "team" some unknown CBS employee decides to separate them into.
emjoi		#1924	[-]
Posts: 1094 (11/25/08 10:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You've got to let this baby roll to 100 pages. It's so close. Can't turn back now.
emjoi		#1925	[-]
Posts: 1094 (11/25/08 10:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You've got to let this baby roll to 100 pages. It's so close. Can't turn back now.
SuperJude		#1926	[-]
Posts: 11883 (11/26/08 2:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	True, we need more pages here! Thus: Artie, your theory makes no sense because the reward system SUCKS! -SJ™
ArtieeLange		#1927	[-]
Posts: 374 (11/26/08 2:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: If Artiee likes his idea so much let him call up CBS and pitch it. It would be a completely different show, though. Is it a "completely different show" because the teams are divided by "school-yard picks" and not by a CBS employee? The results are completely different. Is it a "completely different show" because the teams switched up at random times, by either picks or reaching into a bag and pulling out a rock? Is it a "completely different show" because tie-breakers are challenges instead of pulling out a purple rock? Is it a "completely different show" because there is a final 3 instead of a final 2, or 20 players instead of 16? Is it a "completely different show" because on some team challenges, the players compete individually until one winner remains? One last thing, dumbass: Most of the changes on the show are half-assed solutions by CBS to fix the inherent flaws of Survivor, because they don't have the balls to make a complete solution because they think it would alienate the bloated couch-whale who watches the show specifically to watch losers get lucky, and winners get unlucky (hi kitty wyde1!) My system is that complete and guaranteed solution.
SuperJude		#1928	[-]
Posts: 11887 (11/26/08 4:43 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No, it doesn't, you are incorrect. -SJ™
PrettyGoodYear1988		#1929	[-]
Posts: 1253 (11/26/08 8:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, Artiee, I am convinced! Your idea is spectacular and I can't wait another season for it to take place! You really need to call and write CBS for it to happen, though. What good does it do just sitting on a message board? Take action! Call Mark Burnett! Call Jeff Probst! Maybe they'll even let you host it once Jeff's contract is up, since it is, after all, your perfect idea.
Delusional		#1930	[-]
Posts: 68 (11/26/08 8:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can you improve other shows? like the Amazing race or American Idol?
7Sages		#1931	[-]
Posts: 177 (11/26/08 9:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	emjoi wrote: You've got to let this baby roll to 100 pages. It's so close. Can't turn back now.
Kitty Pryde1		#1932	[-]
Posts: 6707 (11/26/08 9:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: tdugan333 wrote: Give us all one specific example of a "strong" player from the entire list of Survivor contestants, one you consider "weak" and then be specific as to why. I bet you won't do it As always, I will easily refute your entire argument in multiple ways, and using just the latest season, proving yet again there are no valid arguments against my system,. Michelle was stronger than Gillian, and yet Michelle was voted off first. Jacqui was stronger than Kelly, and yet Jacqui was voted off first. There are endless examples, due to the inherent flaws of the team system. The problem with this system is that it doesn't define "strong" "weak" "better" or "worse", it defines "luckiest" "unluckiest" "advantaged" and "disadvantaged". My system reflects a true survival atmosphere, allowing the participants to define what happens next. People compete fairly and socialize naturally, not artificially based on what "team" some unknown CBS employee decides to separate them into. See, once again YOU'RE defining players as weak or strong, yet tell us that we can't. Furthermore, you're of the mindset that strength is the ONLY thing that matters in this game as you've proven time after time after time. Social game and strategy is just as important, and that's why Michelle was the first boot. That's why Jacquie was voted out.
PrettyGoodYear1988		#1933	[-]
Posts: 1254 (11/26/08 11:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, but Kitty, don't you realize that strength is what Survivor is all about and what it's always been about? It's not about making the best of your situation even though you're in a minority (Vecepia, Amber, Danni). It's not about refining your team's teamwork and leadership and leading them to a comback even after an early losing streak (Chuay Gahn, Casaya). It's about challenge domination. That's why players like Terry and Ozzy are the best Survivors ever! Because they dominated challenges! Too bad they never won. Survivor allows people who aren't the best or the brightest to get ahead through luck, social skills and plotting. That kind of thing NEVER happens in the real world. Artiee's system is perfect!
SuperJude		#1934	[-]
Posts: 11902 (11/26/08 11:21 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Keep 'em coming kids, we're a page and a half from 100. -SJ™
chidelta		#1935	[-]
Posts: 1129 (11/26/08 12:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Artie: In your system, can you sell a first round draft pick? (confession, I only read page one and page 98, and have no idea what this thread is about. I'm just honoring the bump requests.)
lemurwrench		#1936	[-]
Posts: 294 (11/26/08 2:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: lemurwrench wrote: a player is immune if they win the challenge, and thus are not vulnerable to be voted. therefore, it seems to me that they wouldnt need to have "social strategy" lemur, your opinions on when players need to have "social strategy" are not just irrelevant, but boring. Players may get immunity under the current system as often as my system. This aspect of the two systems are the same. There are no arguments against my system, and your constant hand-wringing, feeble attempts, and irrelevant comparisons are more proof than I could ever ask for. WAIT A SECOND!!!!!!!! okay, cause this is major, i mean REALLY major they may be why we were confused at eachother. let me see if i got this right. i need a yes or no awnser on this question artiee is your system meant to help players with good social strategy?
FourDozenEggs		#1937	[-]
Posts: 77 (11/26/08 5:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	almost 2000 posts...that is fucking hilarious and what is Clubs?
PeachessandCreeams		#1938	[-]
Posts: 9686 (11/26/08 5:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Scroll down and you will find it on the main directory area.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#1939	[-]
Posts: 6103 (11/26/08 5:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: If Artiee likes his idea so much let him call up CBS and pitch it. It would be a completely different show, though. Is it a "completely different show" because the teams are divided by "school-yard picks" and not by a CBS employee? The results are completely different. Is it a "completely different show" because the teams switched up at random times, by either picks or reaching into a bag and pulling out a rock? Is it a "completely different show" because tie-breakers are challenges instead of pulling out a purple rock? Is it a "completely different show" because there is a final 3 instead of a final 2, or 20 players instead of 16? Is it a "completely different show" because on some team challenges, the players compete individually until one winner remains? One last thing, dumbass: Most of the changes on the show are half-assed solutions by CBS to fix the inherent flaws of Survivor, because they don't have the balls to make a complete solution because they think it would alienate the bloated couch-whale who watches the show specifically to watch losers get lucky, and winners get unlucky (hi kitty wyde1!) My system is that complete and guaranteed solution. It is actually. I hate the f3, bloated casts and the HII especially equally as much as your system. This whole argument comes down to how we define what is luck. I find luck an inescapable fact of the game even with your system, and that it wouldn't make it any more entertaining. The only one who likes your system is you.
Survi Potamus		#1940	[-]
Posts: 76 (11/26/08 6:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I suggest that this thread be first stickied then locked on the 99th page.

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