oh ehm gee wrote:The majority of the elimination challenges on the RW/RR challenges now are physical, yw! Moreover, there are quite a few other factors involved in the RW/RR challenges - past relationships, past challenges, reputation, and the lack of team dissolution, which would help those who in your eyes get screwed by the game as it is*.Can you answer that, I'm kinda curious. My money is on Terry since you started this thread before FvF. We all know the EI final challenge was made for anorexics. A stud like Terry never had a chance. And then FvF comes along proving your theory once again. Still waiting for an answer, who in FvF is in the "winners" category?
* and I am implying that you're an Ozzy/Terry fantard.
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An idea to improve Survivor so that weaklings dont comprise the finals
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Posts: 1355 (05/27/08 12:30 AM) Registered User |
Artie, honestly, this thread is shit unless you provide a concrete example on how this would play out in a season like China or Micronesia.
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Posts: 29 (05/27/08 3:45 AM) |
TW After Life wrote: If you want to see bimbos bond with fat chicks and metrosexuals, there is something called "Big Brother". Parvati and her bubble-headed gang of
witches should be on "The Bachelor", not Survivor.
Every successful "reality" contest show is about competing with a show-specific skill; Hells Kitchen, American Idol, Amazing Race, Fear Factor,
Bullrun, even Poker After Dark, and all the rest.
What is supposed to make Survivor unique is the skillset required to........................................................Survive. Without that its just Big Brother. The show has been dumbed down with weaker contestant and easier living environments,
the losers bond and outnumber, the ratings drop.
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Posts: 957 (05/27/08 6:18 AM) |
Every successful "reality" contest show is about competing with a show-specific skill; Hells Kitchen, American Idol, Amazing Race, Fear Factor, Bullrun, even Poker After Dark, and all the rest. All of those shows are also based upon how well the contestants address the requirements of the shows as dictated by an expert in the field (or in the case of TAR or Fear Factor, who completes the final task the best). The point is, there is some objectivity behind the winner of those shows (whether or not it's enforced is another matter entirely), unlike BB or Survivor. If you wanted to see who could survive the best, then you could easily just drop them off on a desert island with limited tools and say "Feel free to leave at any time. Last one standing wins." however that removes much of the strategic aspects of this. If you want to test the skills needed to survive, then have challenges to determine that. Have firemaking for immunity. Have challenges about the culture. Whatever. And given that I'm in a thread designed to improve Survivor: One survivor there should be no tribes. Period. Individual reward and immunity from day 1. Everyone sits in (and votes) at TC. Granted it would be confusing as hell, but it could be really awesome. Oh, and given that a show that has to give out millions each year for the past 8 years is still around and pulling in 12 million viewers, I'd say it's successful. |
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Posts: 838 (05/27/08 7:13 AM) |
ArtieeLange wrote:You don't make any sense. You're just pissed that the social game doesn't play out like you think it should. Survivor has always been primarily a social game. You're a serious douche, and you have no idea what I want to see. It was clever how you tried to turn around what I said, but it doesn't really work because it's not the same thing. You spend most of your time complaining about the casting. If anybody agreed with you or even cared that the end-game scenario involves those who aren't "worthy" then the way to improve the show would be to cast better, not a total overhaul of the system.
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Posts: 538 (05/27/08 12:05 PM) |
I am satisfied on how the show has been since it started.
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Posts: 4303 (05/27/08 12:25 PM) |
Also, if a weak player gets to the end of the game, then technically, they ARE surviving. Your ideas are retarded and would just get Survivor cancelled by
alienating its fanbase. You see, they've already had a game similar to yours. It was called Pirate Master. It lasted about four or five weeks before
people realized how stupid it was an it got cancelled for poor ratings. And if you get poor ratings for a SUMMER show, then you know you suck, because
there's barely anything else on except reruns.
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Posts: 23 (05/27/08 12:51 PM) |
And, oh my God, guess what was happening on Pirate Master before it got cancelled??? People were starting to say screw the challenges, let's make alliances
to knock out the stronger captains and keep power in our little group. Hell, the second or third vote wasn't based on who the weak players were, as the
players that were chosen to possibly be voted off were all people who were loud about their dislike of the overbearing Captian Douchebag (forgot his name).
Then, a couple of councils later, the schizo who kept talking in Olde English tried to turn the tables an stack those who could be voted off based on if they
supported Captain Douchebag or not.
Sounds like even with a challenge only approach, people will figure out a way to keep themselves in the game whether weak or strong. |
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Posts: 62 (05/27/08 1:20 PM) |
I am satisfied, with how it is. I think it's more impressive win, if you use your brain to get to end. If I wanted to see people face off in a challenge.
I'd watch American Gladiators.
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Posts: 30 (05/28/08 12:03 AM) |
oh ehm gee wrote: That is what the spirit of the show used to be, it was much more about surviving in an inhospitable environment and all that entails. Now its an island
vacation for wanna-be Playmates. Fail.
oh ehm gee wrote: They have done that, and should do more challenges like that. But again, the team system renders challenges irrelevant (pre-merge).
oh ehm gee wrote:Even better. I was trying to improve the game but with a less radical system so people would be able to deal with it without bitching and crying. But of course that system you propose would be the best. And if anyone thinks Burnett and crew doesn't know his game is fucked, watch and learn. There will be major changes in the next season, all of them reflecting everything I've said here, preventing the weak from using simple outnumbering to vote out the threats, whether its new game methods, or starving them so that the (stronger) food gatherers matter once again, etc. |
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Posts: 31 (05/28/08 4:11 AM) |
Shallownage wrote: Brain? Brains are used in Survivor in puzzle challenges. Those who fail at intellectual challenges don't use their brain so using your own logic they don't
deserve to win. Agreed.
Unless you want Survivor to continue to turn into Americas Next Retarded Model.
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Posts: 24 (05/28/08 11:09 AM) |
ArtieeLange wrote:Heard this every season in every promo. In the end, the curent system makes for the most compelling TV viewing. Everytime he's tried to change things to appease people, whether moronic fans like you/staff/Jiffy, or change up the game so people he thinks should win will be there at the end, it's ended up a disaster. |
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Posts: 4308 (05/28/08 12:11 PM) |
Artiee, here's a little factoid for you. The weak NEVER outnumbered the strong (except in Marquesas, and that was after the merge). The strong just make
enemies of the weak and the other strong players, so the other strong players team up with the weak to take them out. Chet, Tracy, and Kathy couldn't do
much on their own. But Joel took them in and used them to boot Mary and Mikey. Then Chet and Tracy couldn't do anything on their own, and even bringing
Cirie in wouldn't have helped. But Ozzy and Amanda joined them and beat them. So get it through your head that the weak do not hold the power in this
game. The strong or even the relatively strong hold all the power, and if they choose to use the weak, then that's their perogative.
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Posts: 546 (05/28/08 12:18 PM) |
Parvati pranced her way to the final 2 cos she knew anyone would have taken her.
Richard did the same in SEASON 1. Friggin SEASON ONE. So you don't say it is a wrong move. Call it whatever but it didn't require changing, nor a "weak" move. And once again, Tracy Chet and Kathy as a group of weaklings did not outnumber anybody. They didn't even make the merge. There was a reason why Sonja and BB got voted out first from their respective tribes. |
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Posts: 19 (05/28/08 12:38 PM) |
Artie, you're really Terry, aren't you? It all makes sense, your hatred for women, constant bitching about alpha males having no chance. You lost to
a 95 pound 25 year old girl and you can't handle it. You been bitching for 2 years about how you were robbed. You lost because you have zero social
skills. If you had any, you might have been able to convince Danielle you were her best shot, since everyone hated you. I think if she took you she would
have won, you would have pulled an Amanda and blew in in the FTC. Losing to her in the F2 would have definitely pushed you over the edge.
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Posts: 32 (05/28/08 4:51 PM) |
mattg591971 wrote: I told you not to be stupid, ya moron.
In the fall, Fox puts "The Moment of the Truth" against "Survivor." Fox and CBS got a taste of how "Truth" might fare against
"Survivor" earlier this season. During an off week, when "Survivor" shifted to a Wednesday to make room for CBS' college bas playoffs,
the two shows went head-to-head. "Truth" won. Survivor owned.In the spring, the newly
resurgent "Hell's Kitchen" goes into the spot. Survivor owned again.
No one likes a game show where the dumb and the weak succeed...except the dumb and the weak viewers who identify with them, and Survivor does not cater towards the dumb and the weak viewer. Result? "Look, it's eroding! It's an older show. Its eventually going to give up and were trying to accelerate that." - Fox entertainment chair Peter Liguori Unless there are major changes to prevent bimbos, fatsos, and retardos from outnumbering everyone else, the show is done.
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Posts: 963 (05/28/08 5:59 PM) |
It still doesn't change the fact that Parvati isn't going to be whoring herself for a while.
Also, serialized television (which you would classify Survivor as) typically doesn't do as well as standalone type shows; it's why The Moment of Truth does so well and why Arrested Development and Veronica Mars got hosed. No one likes a game show where the dumb and the weak succeed Explain to me how the dumb and weak have at all succeeded (for I too am dumb and weak). Chet/Kathy were gone pre-merge. Joel and Mikey were probably not getting near the merge had C/K been voted out prior to the swap (since there would obviously have been double boots). Erik went on an Immunity Run. Jason didn't have to go to TC for 4 episodes. Parvati isn't dumb and weak (and fuck you for making me defend her); I'd like to see you raise your arm up for 6 hours. To sum up: A) it's not my fault that Terry's retarded at strategy, so please do not punish me by making me have to watch a Terry clone plow through. B) if no one likes it, why is it still on? They could easily shove a CSI repeat in there. C) if you don't like it, why are you still watching? There's enough on TV Thursday's at 8 (and plenty of shit on the Internet) that it shouldn't really be a big deal |
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Posts: 25 (05/28/08 9:12 PM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: We've been telling you the same since page 1, and yet here you are 20 pages in.... You have one of the worst cases of diarrhea of the keyboard I've ever seen. |
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Posts: 33 (05/28/08 11:29 PM) |
oh ehm gee wrote:Do you watch the show? Chet/Kathy were gone because they gave up. Those two clowns should have been first and second to go. oh ehm gee wrote: Because some people still like it. Less people. And when it goes up against other reality shows, even less. Less means less ad revenue. Less is
bad, mkay.
oh ehm gee wrote: I like it, but starting to like it less and less. Less. L.E.S.S. I also like Hells Kitchen. Since there is nothing in Survivor anymore that is
"must-see", maybe I will switch to Hells Kitchen. At least Chef Ramsey punishes the weak and fragile. That is how it works, and that is what CBS is
terrified of. It's broke. A new system can fix it.
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Posts: 549 (05/28/08 11:41 PM) |
SURVIVOR = SOCIAL EXPERIMENT
not an Olympic event yw! |
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You think it requires a brain to calculate that
bonding with the majority of weaklings is the best way to vote out the fewer threats, knowing the tribes will eventually merge?
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