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To be clear Quiddity, I don't really care for or against F3. I've just accepted it and moved on. I was just stating that was the producers' logic for implementing the F3 twist, and given the string of decisive victories or blow-outs since Thailand, and perhaps starting as early as Africa or Amazon, I can understand why they did what they did

Ravu, essentially what you're saying is that every jury vote that's not decided by a single vote is a blow out. I find that to be a ridiculous statement. I'm not aiming this solely at you, as I've heard many others throw it out there too, but I find it completely ridiculous to label a 5-2 vote as a blow out. A blow out is 6-1, or 7-0.

I understand what you're saying. "Blow-out" for 5-2 is perhaps to strong of a word. I might say, "Decisive victory". The nature of the voting (1 vote changing being a difference of 2--1 point for and 1 point against) leads to the big difference that 1 vote change can cause. 4-3 is a difference of 1 point, whereas 5-2 is a difference of 3, even though only 1 vote has changed

We could probably say that Cook Island's result was coincidental as well, as we got both Yul and Ozzy in the F3 because BOTH were immune at that TC, something which shouldn't have happened, and won't happen again after they fixed things to expire the idol at F5 the next season. Fiji was coincidental, to a point. The fact remains that the second Earl realized that 3 would be facing the jury instead of 4, he immediately backstabbed his biggest ally Yaoman so he could sit next to two ultra goats. The same exact thing which would have happened had F3 been Earl, Yaoman and one of Cassandra/Dreamz. If Earl or Yaoman won, they would have voted the other person out. Fiji showed that this F3 thing is not going to solve the goat issue. Better/well liked players always get voted out in that final jury member slot because they're great players and the other players fear facing them. Regardless of which technical position that spot is, third or fourth, its almost always going to be a player with a stronger chance to win the vote than the person who got 'dragged' or 'chosen' to face the jury. Now that F3 is known to the contestants, the odds of more goats there infact raises even higher.

This "goat" thing is never going away. Just like pagonging, its smart gameplay. Many viewers dislike it, but if the players did the exact opposite thing, many of you would be bashing them to death for making a stupid move. They just can't win I guess. Screwed no matter what decision they make.

In terms of CI, that season did not necessarily need Yul and Ozzy for the close vote. If we had a different combination of people, even Sundra and Becky, the vote still might have been close. If we have Candice-Paravti-Sundra for instance, the voting dynamic might very well have been something like 2-3-4. There were no real goats in CI, only circumstantial ones

The purpose of the F3 twist was to eliminate the strategy of "goat-taking" which has arguably worked. The problem with Fiji, was that the goats took themselves! They were the overt controllers that strung Earl and Yau-Man along, not the other way around. While Yau did get screwed as a jury threat at F4, the twist isn't meant to protect all the people with high jury chances, but to weaken the incentives to take a goat merely for the sake of increasing one's final jury chances. Whether this can work is largely up in the air still. The class twist created a lot of goats--more than usual: Stacy and Cassandra were like instant ones. Dreamz turned himself into a goat, and even Boo probably had significantly lower jury chances than any Ravu including late members like Edgardo and Alex. So the 9-0-0 circumstance was largely unique in that way

China will be the 1st season where the F3 twist was not sprung at the candidates at the last minute, so everybody should be strategizing for that possibility well in advance before F3 hits. I think it is way to early to judge it for or against F3's merit as a twist