I really don't like the job that the Echo actress is doing. This is my first experience with her, so I didn't have any built in love for her. I think
the series would do better if the lead actress was stronger and had more range.
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DOLLHOUSE - Darth Vader kills lieutenants, not stormtroopers .
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Posts: 32249 (04/06/09 8:10 AM) Registered user |
All I'm going to say is --- Sarah Michelle Gellar. David Boreanaz.
Within the context of a Joss Whedon scripted drama, Eliza Dushku is doing a perfectly fine job. I don't really understand why people are focusing on her as some sort of lynchpin of the series. It's not like alter egos require some great stretch of acting. She's had to portray 1) a sexy thief, 2) a sexy blind girl, 3) a sexy adventurous camper, and 4) a sexy sex pot. Part of what may be setting people off -- especially fans of Buffy -- is the claustrophobia of the show. It doesn't alude to a 'Whedenverse'. We've only gotten a mention of other Dollhouses. For the most part, 50% of the entire show takes place at the main Dollhouse. In comparison, Buffy had the entire town of Sunnydale and played for broader satire. Angel had the fortune of using that as a jumping off point to include all of Los Angeles. |
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Posts: 20894 (04/06/09 8:28 AM) Registered user |
I definitely think Eliza isn't the strongest actress (I never watched any of the Buffy series), so I don't know how she compares to other leads. I think the show is still kind of a mess. I was glad to learn that there was some kind of mole on the inside, but the way that unraveled was kind of a mess. The whole show is still kind of a mess, and I'm not sure why I'm still watching. Do we know for sure that this is going to be cancelled/renewed? |
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Posts: 5312 (04/06/09 9:57 AM) |
Gregoire wrote: They seem to be making her the lynchpin of the series. I think that the fact that all her characters are alike is an indication of her limitations. It might not be true, but she doesn't seem to have much range in my opinion. Maybe that wasn't required for his other shows, but THIS show requires a stronger lead, I think.
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Posts: 5381 (04/06/09 11:55 AM) |
I think Eliza is doing pretty well. I don't think she's the problem when it comes to mass appeal. The show had a lot of hits against it before it even
aired:
1. Female lead protagonist. 2. Not a stale procedural lawyer/hospital/cop show. 3. Not a reality show. 4. Unique concept and "mythology" that requires investment and attention span. 5. Shrinking television viewership as a whole. This show was never surviving on one of the main networks. |
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Posts: 11068 (04/06/09 12:06 PM) Registered user |
It's just too bad it wasn't originally on the WB, it would be a hit on the WB and would be around forever.
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Posts: 24165 (04/06/09 6:04 PM) Registered user |
Good episode, though I'm confused by a couple things. Like what was Mike's glitch about? Aliens? Did he get it resolved? And how exactly is Echo's
issue with freeing the Dolls resolved, when they went right back to being held captive? I don't remember November glitching before, but didn't care...
thank the Lord for the babydoll action!
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Posts: 16781 (04/06/09 6:35 PM) Registered User |
Yeah, I didn't get the Mike part at all, clearly they dragged him away before the sedative was released.
I don't really understand why people are focusing on her as some sort of lynchpin of the series. Oh, I dunno, maybe because she's the main star of the show? And the main character? |
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Posts: 4176 (04/06/09 7:13 PM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! |
It was planned all along that the Dolls would get their own personalities for a while, minus the memories, to see how they would go about to escaping the
Dollhouse. Mike's own defense mechanism/way of making sense of where he was was to think he got abducted by aliens I guess. As for Echo not really freeing
everyone, they all fell asleep as soon as they reached their goals, even if it was not permanently. Echo thought they were being freed and that's what
triggered her to fall asleep. She was wiped afterwards.
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Posts: 4785 (04/06/09 7:28 PM) Registered user |
Mike wasn't one of the problem cases. He just happened to be sharing a 5 bed bedroom with the other 4.
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Posts: 16787 (04/06/09 7:29 PM) Registered User |
If he wasn't one of the problem cases, then why did they include him in it? It just didn't make sense.
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Posts: 4786 (04/06/09 7:35 PM) Registered user |
To put pressure on the problems to escape? Create a sense of danger?
By having Mike with them, then having him put back into floppy state, it gave the others a sense of urgency and consequence. They had just been given back their sense of self, having Mike's taken away made them 'realise' what the House was doing to people. |
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Posts: 2139 (04/07/09 12:21 AM) Registered user |
Gregoire wrote: of course people are focusing on her as the lynchpin of the series, she's the frickin star! she's supposed to be carrying the show. And the alter egos aren't convincing because for some reason they all end up feeling like each other, they're all the same person. all the examples you gave, why are they all sexy? they didn't all need to be sexy, episode 1 she was supposed to be a tough-as-nails negotiator, not a sexy tough s nails negotiator. With each alter, she had the exact same delivery for her lines (except as Patton oswalt's wife, that actually was pretty convincing) each of her alters were supposed to be completely different from each other and yet she makes it seems like it's all just Faith in different costumes. plus the Ballard storyline would be so much more interesting if they found a better actor. Jizz all you want over Tamoh but he sucks as Ballard. anyway I;ve come to the conclusion that "Dollhouse" is "Alias" with a glacial pace even though the past few episodes have been really good and have been advancing the story quite nicely.
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Posts: 32254 (04/07/09 6:56 AM) Registered user |
The lynchpin as in her ACTING being the crucial element, not her character. The lynchpin as in "Dollhouse sucks because Eliza Dushku's acting
sucks." Sarah Michelle and David were not good actors either and their shows ran for years.
All of a sudden, you're all complaining that Joss Whedon should have cast someone with the talent of Ellen Burnstyn in the role! That's never been the intention of a Whedon show, and the character does not require that type of depth or range. The point is, a beautiful girl is being injected each week with a new type of skill set. It's not supposed to be a natural fit each time. It's never supposed to be very believable each time.
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Posts: 20899 (04/07/09 10:31 AM) Registered user |
I think that's the problem, whether the role is acted by Eliza Dushku or Ellen Burstyn. Why would anyone with serious money consult the DOLLHOUSE for anything? I think they sort of answered this when it was put forward that the jobs the DOLLHOUSE takes aren't the end goal (i.e. product testing), but I don't know, the whole thing seems clumsy and the premise is still weak. |
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Posts: 2727 (04/07/09 11:03 AM) |
Gregoire wrote:Blasphemy! Sarah Michelle Gellar is excellent. David? Eh, stale. |
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Posts: 24174 (04/07/09 1:14 PM) Registered user |
LPMA wrote:When she first got put in the Dollhouse, she was wiped, and over time, her need to free the Dolls caused her to glitch. It seems to me she's right back where she started and will start glitching again. ETA: Wait... same would go for Victor, I suppose. Anyhow, perhaps Echo's need came from before she was wiped, like November's and Sierra's. She may have originally been trying to free the Dolls (like her animal activism days) and ended up becoming one. In which case, I buy she was cured. But now I'm thinking Victor really wasn't.
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Posts: 16802 (04/07/09 1:15 PM) Registered User |
God forbid someone expect that someone who is the lead in a tv show actually be able to act.
 Maybe if I just watched a tv show because I wanted to see a "beautiful
girl", it wouldn't be an issue for me. That's not why I watch anything I watch, so it is. And it's not "all of a sudden".
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Posts: 1856 (04/07/09 1:23 PM) |
I'm with the crowd that is still watching this every week, but isn't particularly enthralled by it. I keep waiting for it to get better (which it has)
but it still hasn't completely blown me away yet.
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Posts: 4863 (04/07/09 1:57 PM) |
Im just getting tired of the same going back in time 24 hours to help the dead that end up in her morgue. |
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