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Gregoire		#181	[-]
Posts: 31449 (02/15/09 5:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I feel if you look out the window of the Dollhouse, we'll see Wolfram & Hart.
Piranhahaha		#182	[-]
Posts: 11871 (02/15/09 5:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"meh bandwagon" here as well. It just doesn't seem to have the Whedon touch. But, am I recalling correctly that Fox made him reshoot the pilot? Maybe it'll improve with eps in which he has total control?
christy1018		#183	[-]
Posts: 2329 (02/15/09 5:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	agent Paul's sweaty kick boxing alone was worth it for me. I'm willing to give it a few eps before I make my final decision. So far - I'm not totally disappointed.
A Dying Clown		#184	[-]
Posts: 7791 (02/15/09 5:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But, am I recalling correctly that Fox made him reshoot the pilot? No, Fox had some issues with the clarity of the pilot but Whedon himself suggested doing an actual reshoot because he agreed with them (at least, that's what he's saying in his blog). He's good, but auteur-theory that everything he touches is great is a little silly - even in Buffy he was capable of writing some terrible episodes ('Family' </3)
jensamember36		#185	[-]
Posts: 2653 (02/15/09 6:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: I feel if you look out the window of the Dollhouse, we'll see Wolfram & Hart. Wolfram & Hart<3
cginspace		#186	[-]
Posts: 7665 (02/15/09 6:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ditts on the W&H heart. I still love Angel most, of all his series. It seemed the most intelligent and the most adult.
mikeonfilm		#187	[-]
Posts: 1641 (02/15/09 7:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JRobbed wrote: I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. It's definitely different, which is kind of nice. Does anyone know why the male doll was recast as the Russian? I just assumed he was still a doll on an "engagement" that involved going under cover with the Russian mafia. Sort of an accident of the casting spoiling something. Could be wrong. I'm also in the enjoyed it camp. Lowered expectations helped. Not robbing a train with a spaceship also helped. For some reason I find the premise of wiping and rewiping someone's brain over and over again to be just a shade less believable than vampires and slayers and such. However, the dialogue that told us that the memories come from an amalgam of other people really helps since with the hostage negotiator and giving her memories of kidnapping and abuse would be beyond cruel without the explanation that it was an accident. The FBI stuff was well handled - sort of. Liked that they jumped right in with Helo already hot on the trail. His lines about how, with their memories wiped, the dolls have been effectively murdered is a good starting point for his storyline. So was his speech about rich people always wanting what they don't have. Good stuff to build on. I still think the "dream" dates idea is creepy. I was hoping any dates Echo went on would just be cover for some Sydney Bristow-esque shenanigans.
cindidindi76		#188	[-]
Posts: 15456 (02/15/09 7:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, I'm not a fan of the prostitution angle at all.
Will		#189	[-]
Posts: 33223 (02/15/09 10:32 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JRobbed wrote: I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. It's definitely different, which is kind of nice. Does anyone know why the male doll was recast as the Russian? I just noticed that. He's supposed to be Victor, one of the dolls, but the official site has him as Lubov and no mention whether he's a doll or not. I think he still is (I thought I saw him getting into one of the beds at the end) but if Echo is the only active doll this is going to get boring QUICK. Whereas the original pilot episode had both Victor and Echo active for most of the episode. Spoiler [+] Episode 4 or 5, we apparently find out that Lubov has a secret so maybe we'll find out he's a doll then.
Sardonically Irreverent		#190	[-]
Posts: 12975 (02/16/09 2:15 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is the original pilot "out there"?
Will		#191	[-]
Posts: 33241 (02/16/09 2:20 AM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I've been looking for it but all I've been able to find was the script.
Martrae		#192	[-]
Posts: 1572 (02/16/09 9:03 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The pilot was definitely meh. My hub kept asking if we missed an ep somewhere. He didn't know anything about the show except it was a Whedon thing so he had no expectations (aside from it being good...which it sadly wasn't). It does have potential, though, so we'll watch a few more eps before declaring it unfit for clogging our DVR.
BarbH918		#193	[-]
Posts: 1071 (02/16/09 9:08 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I watched in on Hulu and thought it wasn't bad. I was a little lost though, so I'm hoping for further clarification. I'd like to see what "Echo" did in her past life to merit this. Also the "doe-eyed" vacant parts were not well acted.
JRobbed		#194	[-]
Posts: 10268 (02/17/09 8:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Will wrote: JRobbed wrote: I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. It's definitely different, which is kind of nice. Does anyone know why the male doll was recast as the Russian? I just noticed that. He's supposed to be Victor, one of the dolls, but the official site has him as Lubov and no mention whether he's a doll or not. I think he still is (I thought I saw him getting into one of the beds at the end) but if Echo is the only active doll this is going to get boring QUICK. Whereas the original pilot episode had both Victor and Echo active for most of the episode. Spoiler [+] Episode 4 or 5, we apparently find out that Lubov has a secret so maybe we'll find out he's a doll then. Oh, that would be a more than acceptable way of doing it. Don't forget, we have Sierra as an active as well though. Also, I just wanted to mention that my favourite part of the episode was Helo's sparring. I'm not entirely sure what was going on (the talking was very distracting), but it was a great scene nonetheless.
maxxfisher		#195	[-]
Posts: 3673 (02/17/09 8:24 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think the sparring scene was just to show, that no matter what happens, how beat down he is, he's never going to stop coming at you. Plus I think they were also establishing that he can handle himself in a fight
pickledsquirrelnuggetss		#196	[-]
Posts: 925 (02/17/09 9:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In that opening scene when Echo is talking to the head of the Dollhouse before she enters the program, she talks about trying to "change the world"(or something to that effect) and mentions a 'She'....there was a brief moment when I thought, could Whedon actually be using Faith for this show without actually saying that she is Faith? Then that moment faded. I hope this show gets better.
Will		#197	[-]
Posts: 33263 (02/17/09 12:37 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JRobbed wrote: Will wrote: JRobbed wrote: I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. It's definitely different, which is kind of nice. Does anyone know why the male doll was recast as the Russian? I just noticed that. He's supposed to be Victor, one of the dolls, but the official site has him as Lubov and no mention whether he's a doll or not. I think he still is (I thought I saw him getting into one of the beds at the end) but if Echo is the only active doll this is going to get boring QUICK. Whereas the original pilot episode had both Victor and Echo active for most of the episode. Spoiler [+] Episode 4 or 5, we apparently find out that Lubov has a secret so maybe we'll find out he's a doll then. Oh, that would be a more than acceptable way of doing it. Don't forget, we have Sierra as an active as well though. Also, I just wanted to mention that my favourite part of the episode was Helo's sparring. I'm not entirely sure what was going on (the talking was very distracting), but it was a great scene nonetheless. Spoiler [+] I don't think we'll get Sierra that early. I was reading one episode plot that had them arguing about whether sending Sierra out as if she still isn't being used. This fucking show might be cancelled before we really see the dolls in action
LPMA		#198	[-]
Posts: 4117 (02/17/09 12:38 PM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Who is this person you refer to as Helo?
Will		#199	[-]
Posts: 33264 (02/17/09 12:42 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh silly toasters, they're talking about the FBI agent LPMA.
Joaqenix		#200	[-]
Posts: 3743 (02/17/09 12:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	maxxfisher wrote: I think the sparring scene was just to show, that no matter what happens, how beat down he is, he's never going to stop coming at you. Plus I think they were also establishing that he can handle himself in a fight No, I'm pretty sure that scene was just to show Helo's amazing body. also, Will, Sierra is the Asian chick, right? She was already shown in use, she was the one who busted in the door and shot up the kidnappers at the end.

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