Zhan Hu throws a challenge. Good idea?

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(10/20/07 8:22 PM)

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pee gee is a fucking cunt

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(10/21/07 1:15 AM)

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Beefcake wrote:
1. Not everyone agrees that throwing the challenge was a good idea. I don't. When has throwing a challenge ever worked to someone's advantage?

2. This is not a gender issue. People aren't irritated with PG and Jamie because they're women. Most everyone agrees they were stupid in telegraphing the fact that they were throwing the challenge. And many others think they made a strategic blunder. The fact that PG and Jamie are women does not immunize them from criticism.

3. As many people have noted, PG made a huge number of assumptions. Wouldn't it be a more logical assumption to think that a tribe of 7 will have more than one alliance in it? It seems more rational to me that you would try to get info on FL from James & Aaron, earn their trust, and build connections with more people. I don't have the same Todd-Love that many people seem to have, but he's definitely playing the game right: building connections with people. PG and Jamie drew a line in the sand , essentially saying, "No one on FL can ever trust us." Drawing negative attention to yourself is never a good idea in Survivor.

1. Go back to Africa and look at Boran and how they got rid of Silas.
2. You'd be gloating too if you had James shouting at you the whole way.
3. They don't know whether or not the 7 FL are a tight group, it's a safer bet to have 5 on 5 at the merge. The lines were drawn the second they were separated into tribes. Why should they trust anyone in FL?

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Glebe220 wrote:

My concern is that Jaime and Peih-Gee are going to have trouble getting people to trust them. Many people hold competition and the challenges sacred and would consider throwing one crossing the line. You really don't want the reputation that you're a dirty player.

BJ wrote:
Jeff should have kept his mouth shut so we could see the strategy play out as it should have. James would have had no clue otherwise.

MrWhiteFolks wrote:

Strategy - good

Execution - bad

Poker Face - terrible.

charcas wrote:
Hmmmm....I suspect Denise isn't the smartest player in the world and she's probably someone who wants to play Survivor with integrity. It would make for an amusing reward challenge to see James and Denise playing to win while everyone else is trying to throw the competiton.

Setsuna Moto wrote:
Dumbass move in my opinion. Who's ever said that merge is guaranteed at 10? Go ahead, throw it again, get rid of James. Then watch as they merge late and Zhan Hu loses again causing one of the girls to leave. Oops, there goes advantage.

Never throw a challenge on purpose, you never know when it'll come back to bite you in the ass.

I think it's stupid to throw anything when 1 mill is on the line...

bite=ass

jmo

some great quotes from the last day or 2, if you missed 'em...

(great reading with the flu...!)

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"I think it's stupid to throw anything when 1 mill is on the line...

bite=ass

jmo "

I don't see how winning a challenge while keeping someone who is a genuine threat against your own survival later on could be smart.

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(10/21/07 8:03 AM)

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When you are aiming for a 5-5 tie at the merge, you have already lost.

You are only playing defense when you are in a bad situation.

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*Kitty Pryde wrote:* Aaron wasn't interesting at all. There's a reason why his boot icon is what it is, because there's nothing to make fun of. And it's saving Sherea and Frosti, not Sherea and J-R. No. FL was ready to vote of JR. Throwing the challenge caused him to be safe and Aaron to be voted off. And while Aaron wasn't as exciting as Chicken, he was much better than Sherea or JR.
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	Aaron wasn't interesting, but he had an interesting storyline: Was he really the leader of FL, or was he the shield for Todd and Amanda? Without the twist (or some other twist) ZH was going to lose every IC and the season would be pretty boring until F7 or so. So I don't fault EPMB for pulling a twist. And I don't think voting out the two new members was an automatic strategy. FL was at least edited to look like JR would go first.

I added the emphasis to show I wasn't the only one thinking this.

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(10/21/07 12:35 PM)

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Yeah, but would they REALLY vote off Jean-Robert over two newbies? Even if they keep him around, they can just pull a Clarence and vote him off first at the merge.

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(10/21/07 12:40 PM)

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If they don't get rid of Jean Robert right now he is gonna pull a Wigglesworth and go on an immunity run the exact round they plan on booting him.

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(10/21/07 2:32 PM)

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My estimation of the next episode is that we will see James letting his old tribe mates know that ZH threw the challenge to boot Aaron or himself.
Or FL crew might realize that that is what happened and start looking at the option of doing the same to gain control of the numbers going into the merge.
So my question is this...
Do you think that Fei Long should throw the challenge?
If they don't and win the challenge, they will lose James and original ZH members will have equal numbers to original FL.

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(10/21/07 2:37 PM)

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I seriously doubt FL would have voted off JR if they lost. They would have at least played it safe and gotten rid of Sherea or Mookie-err Frosti.

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(10/21/07 6:27 PM)

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survivorjordancontestant wrote:

3. They don't know whether or not the 7 FL are a tight group, it's a safer bet to have 5 on 5 at the merge. The lines were drawn the second they were separated into tribes. Why should they trust anyone in FL?

Because there's no such thing as a 7 person alliance. Assuming Sherea and Frosti are voted off and they merge with a 7-3 FL advantage, what happens? After the merge, it's an individual game, so one basic goal is to vote off challenge threats, so clueless virgin Erik likely goes from ZH. Now it's 7-2 and PG and Jamie are no longer a threat. In fact, they become power players by aligning with whatever alliances exist. They have no idea who is allied. We know there seems to be an Amanda/Todd/Aaron alliance and a James/Denise/and maybe JR alliance. Anyone with half a brain is going to want to eliminate James, Aaron and JR at that point. PG and Jaime should be able to figure out that the odds are that the 7 are going to turn on themselves at some point before they knock off the harmless ZHers.

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The more I think about it, I don't think the 7-3 vs. 5-5 issue was PG's real motivation for engineering this. She used that rationale to convince bimbo Jamie. Look at it this way: IF ZH tried their best and lost that challenge, who would get voted off? James and Aaron would stick together and want to keep the physically strong players. PG is the physically weakest of the the 3 ZHers, and Jamie and Erik have a showmance alliance going, so they probably wouldn't vote for each other. So PG goes home.
If this strategy was really a pro-active way for PG to save her own butt, then I actually have more respect for the strategy.

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(10/21/07 7:48 PM)

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Thing is, they should have and could have won the challenge hands down beefcake, thus sparing us from suffering through a Cirie clone making it all the way to the final four. Yawn.

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I couldn't agree more. I'm just trying to figure out what PG was thinking when she came up with this strategy.

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(10/21/07 8:17 PM)

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The bottom line is who will Todd/Courtney swing with. They are the ones to watch who could change the game.

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(10/22/07 6:40 PM)

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I think Jean Robert has a good chance of changing the game if he survives to the merge. If he sides with Zhan Hu, he could give them the numbers majority.

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Seyz wrote:
I think Jean Robert has a good chance of changing the game if he survives to the merge. If he sides with Zhan Hu, he could give them the numbers majority.

good point! I didnt even think of that. It also looks like todd could flip on just about anyone. lets hope for something exciting!

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If JEFF didnt ask so much, James still not sure what had happened.
If JAMES fight back and zhan hu's girl voted out next round, JEFF must bear the responibility to reveal the strategy to underdog, even the chance is very slim.