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Fuck. I wanted Todd to win.
I would love to see Courtney win.
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S15 SPOILER Guess what? I'm going to name the winner! just for kicks.....
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Posts: 6260 (10/09/07 10:17 AM) Registered User |
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Fatashhh |
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Posts: 58 (10/09/07 10:23 AM) Registered user |
I doubt if Todd is such a strategic mastermind
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Jesus of Najareth |
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Posts: 1021 (10/09/07 10:28 AM) |
lol @ everyone acting like they know how the rest of the game plays out after episode 3. You may know the general boot order (which is debatable now), but
nothing else.
ARGH I WANTED TODD TO WIN BECAUSE HE GOT MORE FACE TIME IN THE FIRST THREE EPISODES!!!!! AMANDA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! Would now be a good time to also point out that Bluto Delta rarely posts sober anymore, and that he's merely stating what anyone could predict based on what everyone has known for a while? We already know there's a twist that screws people and that based on the boot order, people are likely to get backstabbed. And Amanda is clearly the least objectionable of the three. :retard: I long for the days of conspiracy theories and psychotic opening credits analysis. |
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kmill |
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Posts: 955 (10/09/07 10:30 AM) Registered user |
I really really hope that Amanda's win isn't a clear-cut victory. I'm hoping for a 4-3-2 vote, but who knows how Courtney will fare with these
people.
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speedyforme |
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Posts: 5282 (10/09/07 11:10 AM) Registered user |
4-3-2 is not possible, more like 3-2-2 is better
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 11847 (10/09/07 11:22 AM) MESS member |
I seem to remember a correct final two (the third was finalist received no votes), that bluto correctly picked
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kmill |
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Posts: 956 (10/09/07 11:33 AM) Registered user |
I had no idea they were back to a jury of 7. Well that's good I guess. |
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pagonglover |
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Posts: 3564 (10/09/07 11:35 AM) Registered user |
I seem to remember a correct final two (the third was finalist received no votes), that bluto correctly pickedYul and Ozzy. |
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Posts: 149 (10/09/07 11:55 AM) |
Thanks for the information Bluto. Well that is a first for me to pick the winner based on the preshow video interview. Glad for the Todd/Amanda F2, my 2 favorites based on their love of Survivor. There is alot of game left and Amanda could end up being an underdog in a switch, and play to the end. Ya she doesn't have the interesting soundbites right now, but give the girl some time. She knows the game and she paired with the person she thought would take her the most distance in the game, Todd. She apparently is a great game player by pairing with him ...to the end! Still think she will also 'reign' in the jury portion as she is used to being grilled with questions. Todd may have problems defending his actions. The sell out is def PG to me. And smart of Todd to have put someone into the leadership role, Aaron takes the fall. |
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tullfan2 |
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Posts: 2103 (10/09/07 11:57 AM) Registered User |
Bluto even had some cryptic posts before All Stars that turned out to be true. There was one about Rob M making a deal with Lex before the merger and a second
one about Rob and Big Tom going on a reward and getting drunk.
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Roy Thinnes |
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Posts: 235 (10/09/07 12:03 PM) Registered user |
"He's a ghost, he's a god, he's a man, he's a guru"
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WylDawg |
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Posts: 12521 (10/09/07 12:03 PM) Registered user |
Gawd! You people will bitch no matter what!
"I'm so tired of male leaders winning!" "I'm so tired of UTR chicks winning!" It's the nature of Survivor. Men typically win by stepping up and becoming leaders, women typically win by sliding under the radar, deal with it. Besides, there have been plenty of exceptions. Tina was actually the leader of her tribe, she won the same way Tom, Yul and Earl did. Chris and Ethan sure as hell weren't leaders, if anything their victories ressembled more those of women. Sandra and Jenna did not play UTR. And though Danni did play UTR but I strongly disagree that she didn't do anything to earn her win. At the F6 she successfully set up every member of StepheME's fan club and watched them fall. So everyone wins their own way. I know you all want the typical Cesterninoish Survivor geek to win because they're the ones you most relate to, but as long as they are egostesticle douchebags who brag about being strategic and ruthless, they'll keep losing.
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Coachocd |
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Posts: 6721 (10/09/07 12:04 PM) MESS member |
Hey Bluto! Good to see you. I totally believe you, of course.
Two things come to mind. I hate having a final 3. The jury picks someone they are willing to "lose" to. Amanda is seen as one of the stronger women. Would JR or James want to admit to being outplayed by someone they considered weak? Someone has to switch for james/J-R to go before the remaining Zhan Hu's. It's probably part of the deal to prove their loyalty. I'm thinking P-G does it. If this season is like Guatemala, it isn't Amanda or Danni's fault. Danni played a great social game. Also, Rafe totally fell apart and blew his otherwise great strategic game at the end, and StephaME had no chance with that jury. When Danni first threw that birthday pool party, it was obvious to see who was locking in jury votes. How Steph/Rafe didn't see Danni as a bigger jury threat than Lydia or Cindy is beyond me. Danni needs to get credit for playing her social game too. Tina deserves as much credit for wrapping Colby around her finger as Colby gets reverse credit for throwing away his easy chance at a million. The problem is with the MB and the editors. They like alpha-type characters winning -- people who dominate in challenges or arrogant puppeteers. They seem to know how to tell only one story. Someone who plays under-the-radar escapes their ability tell the audience what is happening or why playing under-the-radar is most consistently successful strategy used in the game. That is who "survives" and outlasts in life and at the office, isn't it? Final 3's really suck. Ever since MB went into a conniption fit because Terry was booted at the final 3, we've been stuck with this horrible change in the ending of the game. I guess MB just decided it was better to have someone to vote for than a lesser of two evils winning. Amanda has strategic ability to be sure. She may just not have the kind of comments to the camera in her confessionals that make for an editor's eye-popping moment to include in the show. But if Amanda isn't see for the next 7 episodes, don't blame her, blame MB and the editors who are locked into one type of story. |
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speedyforme |
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Posts: 5285 (10/09/07 12:12 PM) Registered user |
WylDawg wrote: For me it's more about their UTR edit as opposed to the game they play. I don't blame the players, I blame editing |
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Kirblar |
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Posts: 4386 (10/09/07 12:14 PM) Registered user |
Here's why I like the change to a final 3. Survivor is primarily a game of social politics. At no other time but the F3 does one person have the sole
ability to make the decision on whom to boot. At all other times in the game, you must have at least one other person voting your way or immunity in order to
move on to the next round.
Now in Big Brother, where challenges throughout the game give 1 person the right to make decisions, the F2 fits in just fine. |
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tullfan2 |
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Posts: 2105 (10/09/07 12:32 PM) Registered User |
The problem is with the MB and the editors. They like alpha-type characters winning -- people who dominate in challenges or arrogant puppeteers. They seem to know how to tell only one story. Someone who plays under-the-radar escapes their ability tell the audience what is happening or why playing under-the-radar is most consistently successful strategy used in the game. That is who "survives" and outlasts in life and at the office, isn't it?I have a different intrepretation. How the winner is edited often matches the way in which he/she wins. If the winner is a mastermind, the viewers see him/her openly strategizing from the get go. If the winner is UTR, then they are edited as hidden behind other contestants that have larger personalities. So far, Amanda's edit is somewhat UTR but she is being given the 'main partner to the main strategist' edit that we have seen with Ethan/Lex and Amber/Rob. So if Bluto's info is true, then it agrees with what my intuition was telling me after watching 14 whole seasons. |
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CSCin3D |
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Posts: 6674 (10/09/07 12:59 PM) Registered user |
Regarding the winner: at least it's not Todd, but it's still pretty fucking lame.
Here's why I like the change to a final 3. Survivor is primarily a game of social politics. At no other time but the F3 does one person have the sole ability to make the decision on whom to boot. At all other times in the game, you must have at least one other person voting your way or immunity in order to move on to the next round.Couldn't this be solved by simply not having a final immunity challenge (although I like the way it was and thought it was a great way to add a factor of unpredictability to the end)? The F3 takes away from the finality of it and just clutters up the endgame. |
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James Barber |
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Posts: 10105 (10/09/07 2:32 PM) Registered User |
Exactly. I prefer Todd and Courtney, but I don't think Amanda sucks. I don't care about Amanda. So far we have basically been told not to care about her, aside from when she took her top off. Three episodes and that was the highlight of her time -- blurs. I don't have a problem with Amanda as of yet. The way the show is edited is the problem. In recent seasons, when someone the show does not care for wins, the show makes it clear how they feel. Even Yul, who I thought was one of the best winners of any season, had an edit which heavily implied he should have lost to Ozzy. Or maybe they don't want us to see her as strategic because they think viewers would rather see a cute young female winner as someone who is "good" and therefore not involved in hardcore strategic maneuvers. There is footage of Amanda which can be shown. She doesn't have to be a mute winner. They managed to show how Amber won, and show her as a decent player as well as being Rob's sidekick. Hopefully things will improve with her edit as the season goes along.
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ProbstFan123 |
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Posts: 5612 (10/09/07 3:46 PM) Registered user |
I'd rather have a UTR winner this season than on ASS 2. Highly unlikely we will have two UTR winners in a row, so hopefully that bodes well for ASS 2.
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jgabler |
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Posts: 2755 (10/09/07 3:56 PM) Registered User |
Where has it been confirmed that it's a final 3 rather than final 2?
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