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The difference is that her bitterness did not affect her vote the way it did with Lex and Tom
Didnt kathy say in her vote that she hoped it was renew their friendship? pretty stupi dreason
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survivorisdabest |
Re: Steph in Guatemala | ||
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What happened between BJ's palau final words hoping steph wins and his premerge speech where he says being around steph makes him want to throw up? I dont understand his hate.
Quote: Didnt kathy say in her vote that she hoped it was renew their friendship? pretty stupi dreason |
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dannystultz |
Re: Steph in Guatemala | ||
Quote: How could you not. Steph is a skanky filthy trashy whore. |
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SwineForkbeard |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote:This is not the first time I've heard this argument, and someone has to knock some sense into anybody who believes it. Aside from the Stillmanesque paranoia, it is utterly ludicrous. If MB wanted to save Mogo Mogo at F10, it would have made no sense to have the remaining players randomly pick an equal number of red and green buffs out of a jar. Doing so would have accomplished nothing other than throwing the game into chaos. A huge number of different combinations could have resulted, many of which would have worked out in Chapera's favor. With a 6-4 majority, there was a good chance that both reconfigured tribes would have had a 3-2 Chapera/Mogo split, giving the Chaperans total control over the next boot. It was extremely unlikely that all four Mogo Mogo members would pick the same buffs, and there is no way that MB could have arranged that outcome. If MB had wanted to save Lex and Kathy, he would have kept the tribes the way they were and fixed the trivia IC in Mogo Mogo's favor. Having them randomly pick buffs out of a jar did not ensure anyone's safety, since he had no control over the new configuration of tribes, and forfeited any further influence over the game. |
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beatles20147 |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote: Maybe she was a bitch at the Palau reunion. |
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chapera rocks |
Re: AllStars | ||
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I thought BJ was mad that Steph lied to him during Palau?
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FormerLongTimeLurker |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote: Personally, I think that if there was any interference, it was influencing Lex and Kathy to boot Jerri instead of Amber, so that they could have the Romber storyline keep going. It would explain such a bewildering gameplay move by Lex and Kathy, both of whom until that point were relatively good strategic players -- Jerri was a solid, loyal ally, and keeping Amber was just suicidal, as they found out the hard way. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they had rigged the whole thing for Romber to win; it would explain why everyone else -- these supposed All-Stars, many of whom displayed competent strategy in their own seasons -- played a completely half-assed game. Not saying that they did rig it; just that it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Oowatanite |
Re: AllStars | ||
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Are you purposefully trying to be stupid, Swine? If so, you are succeeding spectacularly.
Switching up the tribes for one boot episode only before merging, was a waste of time. Making the tribes even, after one tribe had gained a hard-earned two player advantage, was enormously unfair to the dominating tribe. The only reason to do this was to possibly save some players on the lesser tribe. That's it. Every other tribal member switch in Survivor history had an equal number of members switching, with the dominating tribe maintaining its numerical player advantage. Oh, but the Chaperas could have had 3-2 majorities in both new tribes. I think the Chaperas would rather continue their current dominance over the Mogo Morons, rather than draw buffs for a chancy 5-5 split. And it would have been very laughable for the new split to be Chaperas having one tribe majority 4-1 and MM having the other tribe majority 3-2. Then we could watch an exciting trivia IC that both teams would be trying to lose. JP : "After ten questions, we are tied 0-0. We will now go to the tiebreaking question". LAUGHABLE. MB, you dodged a bullet with this stupid switch. And you don't think that MB favoured Lex and Kathy? He placed Lex, Rich and Colby, three very strong males, on one tribe at the beginning. The thinking was that MM would blow away the other two tribes, with L/K leading a majority alliance to the merge, then to the F4, and finally L or K winning. That is precisely what MB was hoping to happen. They also thought that any MM TC trips would result in JennaM and Shii Ann being the first to go. After poor JM's exit, who were the next to go from MM? Why Rich and Colby, of course ! MB probably wanted to strangle L/K by that time. But even after Ethan was booted, weakening MM even more, MB decided to give L/K one more chance. Since they were 99.9% likely to lose another IC unless something was changed, MB decided to switch up from 6-4 to 5-5. Let's look closer at this "Chapera gets majority on both new tribes" scenario. After the switch, we have RobM, Rupert, Alicia, Shii Ann and Jerri, versus Amber, Jenna, Tom, Kathy, Lex. Wow, isn't that great, Chaperas dominate both new tribes. But do they? There's no chance that Tom would swing over to his buddy Lex, is there? And lone wolf Alicia wouldn't switch over to get rid of strong Rupert or RobM, would she? Nah, it wouldn't happen. Snort I'll tell ya one thing, though. It's hard for those two players to switch up, when they are in the minority of a six person tribe. |
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Quiddity |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote: And of course what we ended up having was 5 Chapera on one tribe and the last remaining Chapera being outnumbered 4-1 on the other. No matter who lost that Immunity Challenge, a Chaperan was gonna go. You can't get any more unfair than that. ...Oh wait, Lex, greatest survivor ever pissed that gift from god away by voting out Jerri instead. No one deserved their boots more than Lex and Kathy in ASS after what they did. That said, its not like ASS was the only time the tribal switch was completely unfair to certain players, and hugely benefitted others. Africa - Silas, who was pretty much in charge of Samburu, got switched to Boran, with his 2 enemies from his original tribe, and Boran promptly threw the challenge and voted him out. Likewise Lindsey, Brandon and Kim P went from having a 4-2 majority to 3-3, and Lindsey got voted out. Marquesas - All 3 of Sarah's allies were switched to the other tribe and she was immediately voted out Guatemala - Rafe/Steph/Lydia/Jamie got a 6-4 majority at the merge due only to the switch, which was extremely unfair to Danni/Brandon/BJ, who won just as many immunity challenges as them. Too many forget that Rafe and Steph never earned the majority that gave them all that power, only Judd & Cindy did. And Margaret & Brooke, in the majority on original Nakum, were quickly voted out. Quote: Yeah, but in Guatemala while the tribe sizes remained the same, four from Nakum went to a tribe down by one while four from Yaxha went to a tribe up by one. A two challenge swing right there. Was it as unfair as All Stars had Lex & Kathy voted Amber out? Certainly not. Amber would definately have been the most screwed person in Survivor history had she gone. That said, the switch in Guatemala was extremely unfair for certain people too :P |
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growsonwalls |
Re: AllStars | ||
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Getting back to jurors who didn't vote bitter:
Amber in Outback didn't vote bitter. She voted for Colby, who had promised her an alliance with Jerri. Jerry OTOH did vote bitter (she voted for Tina). She even said on ASS that she voted for the person who had betrayed her. Cirie didn't vote bitter -- she said she liked both Danielle and Aras, but she liked Aras more. If it had been Danielle/Terry, she would have voted for Danielle. Austin and Sally also did not vote bitter -- neither of them were bitter about being Pagonged, both just liked Aras more. The bitter votes in EI were Terry (because Danielle broke their F2 pact), Shane (Aras had sworn on his yoga), Courtney (Danielle had betrayed her), and Bruce (Aras never pretended to like Bruce). So that's 2-2 from the bitter votes; Aras won by snagging the non-bitter votes because he was simply more likable than Danielle. |
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SwineForkbeard |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote:Yes, because being stupid doesn't come naturally to me, as it evidently does to you. Quote:I stand by what I said before and argue that randomly rearranging the players would not protect anybody, nor necessarily help either tribe. Any one of the final 10 could have been put in danger as a result. If EPMB wanted to have more influence over the direction of the game, he would have done so in a way that enabled him to control the outcome. This was a twist over which he had no control, which could have changed the game in any number of unintended ways. Quote:So what? Who says the switch on ASS had to be exactly like every previous switch? You undermine your own argument by claiming that EPMB had always adhered to some standard of fairness when planning switches on earlier seasons. If he's as corrupt as you seem to think, why wouldn't he have tried to save other doomed tribes on other seasons? Why would he have tried to make it fair on every non-ASS season if he sees nothing wrong with rigging his own show? Quote:It was just as chancy, if not more so, for Mogo Mogo. Regardless of whether Chapera had been the stronger tribe to that point, they had no apparent advantage in the Survivor trivia game planned for the F10 IC. That challenge would have been very easy to rig in Mogo Mogo's favor, were that EPMB's intention. Quote:No. I don't think he favored anybody on Mogo Mogo. The only two players I could see EPMB trying to protect and shepherd through the game are Rudy and Rupert. They were his favorites, and he put both of them on Saboga, the hopeless basketcase tribe that couldn't build a shelter or a raft, or win challenges. Quote:Look, I'm not saying Burnett is a saint, but this is ridiculous. I do not believe for a second that he had the game planned out ahead of time or decided beforehand who would win. If he had that capability, most seasons would have had a different winner. One of the more consistent elements in the Mark Burnett formula (at least when he picks the tribes instead of the players), is that he does not want any one tribe to be dominant. He wants the challenges to be as competitive and unpredictable as possible. It's boring when one tribe wins everything, and anything that's boring is bad for business. And Mark Burnett is, first and foremost, a businessman. As long as people watch the show, I don't think he could care less how it turns out. Quote:Do you know this for a fact, or is this just something you pulled out of your ass? You make these assertions as though they are self-evident, but I have no idea how you've conjured all these supposed examples of behind-the-scenes manipulation. EPMB may be shrewd (although his casting decisions for ASS make that seem questionable), but he is not nearly as omniscient as you seem to think. Quote:Nonsense. The IC they had planned was a trivia challenge, which any tribe could win, no matter how weak or outnumbered. If they wanted Mogo Mogo to win, all they had to do was come up with some obscure questions about Thailand that only Shii Ann would know. Quote:I'm not a statistician, but would assume that hundreds or even thousands of different combinations could have resulted from ten people randomly picking buffs out of a jar. EPMB had no way to anticipate how it would turn out, or how it would affect the game. Imagine if Rupert had been left on Chapera instead of Amber. Then Rupert would have been voted out, which is the last thing Burnett would have wanted. Considering that Rupert was awarded a million dollars (in order to make the audience happy after putting up with the most disappointing winner ever), I don't buy that EPMB would ever try to punish the tribe Rupert was on. |
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RazorrzzEdge |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote:Actually, anyone STILL arguing over Survivor All Stars is pretty f'n stupid. |
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tullfan2 |
Re: AllStars | ||
Quote: Actually, If they would have kept the tribes at the same numbers, new Chapera would have had 6 and, the way things worked out, Lex, Kathy etc. would be members of the larger tribe. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened depending on which of the other Chapera remained. Jenna stays on Chapera, Chapera wins the trivia IC because she knows the answer to the Butok question. Rupert stays on Chapera, either Chapera wins the IC tie breaker question (getting Nicole correct) or they go to a second tie breaker question. Big Tom stays on Chapera, Chapera loses trivia IC and Amber is likely booted in spite of whatever Romber try to do. Rob stays on Chapera. Probably the same outcome as Rupert. If Chapera loses, Romber make an alliance with Lex/Kathy and Jerri is gone. Whether they Chapera wins or loses, Lex/Kathy/Rob/Amber/Shii Ann now can take control of the game. This would have been the most interesting outcome. Alicia stays on Chapera, What happens is anyone's guess. Most likely Chapera would lose the IC and Alicia is booted. I do agree that it was a major mistake and made no sense to even up the tribes. Maybe they put the tribes at even strength because it's actually disadvantageous to the larger tribe to sit someone out of a trivia challenge when the questions can be answered by consensus of the entire team rather than individually. Also, if the bigger tribe doesn't sit someone out then they have a big advantage. I hate the answer through consensus trivia challenges. The worst one was the Final 4 IC in Pearl Islands when the individual contestants competed against a jury of 5. There was very little chance that the jury would lose that IC. |
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survivorisdabest |
Re: AllStars | ||
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i think the person just stacked them chapera, mogo mogo, chapera etc so amber ended up with a mogo mogo buff. it would have sucked if amber had been booted from that
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SwineForkbeard |
Re: AllStars | ||
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^ Were that the case, then the buffs would have been chosen in that order, but they weren't. There was clearly no attempt to influence the outcome, since Probst told them to "line up in any order." The conspiracy theorists don't have a leg to stand on.
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fanofcoils |
Deena | ||
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Jenna backstabbed Deena
I don't know if Deena was bitter but Deena voted for Jenna to win |
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fanofcoils |
Re: Deena | ||
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Didn't Tom backstab Stephenie after saying she is in the F4?
I don't know if Stephenie was bitter. Stephenie did vote Tom to win. |
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Robert Qld |
Re: Deena | ||
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I think Stephenie was a little cross and she did seem to have a bone to pick with Tom about that, but I don't think she was bitter. Oddly in both her seasons she never seemed to have an end goal in site unless others brought her into their plans. Thus why I don't think she was particularly bitter - she just didn't see herself having a chance of winning to be bitter about.
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survivorisdabest |
Re: Deena | ||
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didnt they line up in terms of the numbers they had, ie rob and lex were 1 with jenna and amber together. the buffs were stacked mogo mogo chapera etc
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x0xcindychickx0x |
Re: Deena | ||
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They put them in randomly not stacked.
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Kai5925 |
Re: Deena | ||
Quote: NO THEY WERE NOT. Jeff clearly said "Line up in any order" and they did. |
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