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robby wrote:
Players should learn from players like Terry Deitz who voted for the better player, and didn't involve his emotions.

Rafe was voting for Stephenie Lagrossa no matter who sat there, that is and still is his girl...he didn't vote against Danni b/c he was bitter, IN FACT he is the ONLY Guatemala player who didn't vote bitterly...while Jamie/Judd/Cindy voted for Danni b/c of Stephenies betrayal. Rafe sounded bitter in his final words, but it's b/c his reverse phschology on Danni backfired...he wanted to seem like he was being loyal to Step by saying you don't have to take me...yet actually expecting Danni to still keep her promise...and himself still looking good in Stephenies eyes

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I still say that Rafe really helped Danni's game, and he completely destroyed Steph's game. Rafe was with Steph cause he was smart, he knew she was his ticket to the million in F2. He got along with Danni great because he liked her so much and was willing to backstab multiple allies to keep her in. In the end while Rafe may have liked Danni more, he was mad at her for voting him out and he knew Steph would get completely slaughtered against Danni so he threw her a sympathy vote.

And as for everyone else being bitter, how they should act like Terry and vote for the better player...

Steph wasn't a case like Boston Rob where the juror got voted out by the better players. The fact that Steph voted off so many of her alliance members while Danni and Gary were around is proof that she was not the better player! It'd be one thing if they went down to the 6, Jamie was first to go, and voted against Steph because of that. That would be bitter. Steph voted off all her allies but Rafe while letting Danni stay around, that points to her failure as a good player. She absolutely, 100% knew what she was doing was gonna lose her jury votes, she clearly said it before voting out Cindy. But she did it anyway. Thats not bitter jurors voting against Steph, the better player. Thats Steph voting people out too early and paying the price for it.

And remember, Danielle voted Terry out and betrayed her earlier with the Courtney vote. It wasn't all 'best player' with him.

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well said by growsonwalls...
I think in the Guatemala jury some of the votes (Judd, Jamie) were clearly bitter, but others were "hate" votes, or "love" votes for Danni. Steph was a goat not just because she let Rafe get pick off her alliance but because she had been a whiny selfish princess for 39 days. Lydia was a hate vote, Bobby Jon and Gary were hate Steph votes plus "love" votes for Danni. The only vote I can't understand is Cindy's, since it was Rafe and Danni who got pissy about the car fiasco. I can only assume that starstruck Cindy liked Steph less and less the more she got to know her. Plus Cindy was always on the outside of every alliance, and had originally been on Danni's tribe, so I'd say Cindy's vote was a "like" vote for Danni. And Rafe? Pure sympathy vote for Steph. That's how I read it. Because Rafe totally goated Steph.

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BJ and Gary votes were definately Danni love votes first, Steph hate votes second. Regardless, they had nothing to do with bitterness, Danni got along with them great, was always loyal to them, while Steph left Gary behind after the switch (not that I blame her, but people like robby can't turn around and say he only voted for Danni because he was bitter! Thats absurd!) and BJ was never aligned with Steph at all throughout all of Guatemala. Two obvious Danni votes no matter what.

Jamie definately hated Steph from day one, I don't think she ever would have gotten his vote.

Judd was certainly quite mad at Steph. That hate was deserved. Judd was Steph's number 1 ally up to that point. He gave her the majority in new Nakum. He shared both his rewards (meal & family visit) with her. He was fully intent on going to final 2 with her, regardless of whether he could have beat her or not. And Steph voted him out because Danni and Lydia said to. Steph in a million years never deserved his vote. It certainly wasn't what I'd call bitter.

Lydia was loyal to Steph from day 1. She adored Steph from day 1. And how did Steph thank her? She voted her out instead of Danni. Why in the world should Lydia vote for Steph after that? And Steph was quite rude towards Lydia at times regarding food. Again, has nothing to do with being bitter towards a better player; the better player would have voted Danni out instead of Lydia.

And finally Cindy. Like Lydia and Judd, she adored Steph. She shared the car reward with Steph and was going to originally share her other reward with Steph to (which Steph said no to, unaired). Steph agreed with her on the car situation. Cindy was loyal to Steph post merge even though she would have been gone had Nakum went to another pre-merge TC. Yet Steph voted her out. Danni did what she had to do when voting Cindy out. Steph did not have to vote Cindy out when she did, yet she did anyway. Because of that she did not deserve Danni's vote.

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oowatanie:
This has happened in other seasons. Colby was a better player than Tina. Neleh was a better player than Vee. Steph was a better player than Danni. All three got stung by bitter, emotional jurists.

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Can't disagree with you more. Survivor has two aspects that are critical for you to win. The first is to get yourself to final 2. The second is to vote people off in a way that allows you to retain their jury vote. If you succeeded in the first, but failed in the second, you didn't deserve to win, as simple as that!

Australia:
Tina was certainly a better player than Colby. Tina controlled the game from behind the scenes brilliantly. Unlike Colby she didn't have the benefit of being the big strong young guy who no one would dare target pre-merge and who would win immunity after immunity post merge. Tina made it all the way to final 2 without winning a single immunity challenge. She controlled all the votes and was successfully able to keep around the people she liked while not harming her game (her one mistake booting Jerri a TC too soon, but regardless, Amber was too dumb to turn the tables on her). And most importantly of all, when it came down to the most important vote of the entire game, at F3, Tina had Colby wrapped around her finger and he voted off Keith instead of her. The sheer fact that Colby made such an insanely moronic vote means he didn't deserve to win.

Marquesas:
Vecepia was the ultimate under the radar player, and successfully switched alliances time and time again as it suited her. She played amazingly at the social aspect of the game, and got to know everyone better than anyone else, which enabled her to win the all critical F4 immunity. Neleh by her own admission didn't even start playing the game until day 24. She also royally screwed up a couple of jury questions, like John's. I, like many out there like Neleh more than Vecepia, but V definately deserved the win.

Guatemala:
Steph was in the majority from day one. The one time she could potentially have been put in danger, by being on absurdly weak Yaxha, the tribal switch gave her the numbers. She didn't do any of her own strategizing, Rafe did it all. Danni on the other hand was outnumbered 5-1 at one point, and still made it to final 2. Danni had to fight and claw here way to final 2 while Steph had a free ride. Danni also was much, much more liked than Steph by the jurors. Steph was initially loved by all, but her attitude was so bad at times that she could only muster one vote.