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PrettyGoodYear1988 |
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Tijuana voted on who was the best strategist. Johnny would have been number one, Lillian was number two, and Sandra was number three.
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chapera rocks |
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Tijuana is one vote. It takes 4 to win. Fairplay was only winning against Lill. Sandra was winning against anyone in the final 6 or 7.
Everyone thought Christa threw out the fish. And even knowing that, they still didn't vote her out. The game was too crazy. Sandra and Christa should have voted Tijuana out ... she thought she was running the game and basically told them Christa was next anyway. At least with Fairplay and Burton, they had promised final 4 (even if they couldn't be trusted). And with Fairplay and Burton in the game, and backstabbing Darrah, it gave Sandra a chance to work the girl's alliance angle. Not saying it was the best move in the world, and I disagreed with it at the time, but it wasn't illogical. |
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ilovekelly752 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:Ryan, Rupert, Christa, and Sandra said that they would vote for Lill. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 9500 (11/10/09 2:52 PM) Registered user |
Ryan? Really? I could of swore he said JFP.
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ilovekelly752 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: nvm, It was Darrah, not Ryan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM1vFxR7vC0 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 9501 (11/10/09 2:58 PM) Registered user |
That's hindsight though. Fairplay is very influential when he wants to be, and I think he could have convinced her to change her mind. It's not the
first time it's happened.
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tomash |
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I'm fairly confident Fairplay would have crushed Lill in a final 2. When the reunion airs the contestants have seen the show, confessionals etc. and they probably think about how the characters have been received in the media. It doesn't necessarily mean that's how they would have voted if that was the final 2. If you've watched the season with commentaries, they all seem to have very little respect for Lill and her game. Also, on Tijuana, If the rumours are true, she only voted for Lill because she hated Sandra. Strategy didn't have much to do with it.
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panurge46 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: Wow! You started a whole discussion about a Fairplay/Lill vote which is completely irrelevant. Way to go! Before you replied to my post, didn't you notice that I wrote: "Only having Outcasts gave Fairplay a shot." Wasn't Lill an Outcast?!! I don't give a damn whether Dalton beats the biggest gift goat ever or not. (Jeff's reunion poll said she would have won but that is meaningless) It certainly wouldn't prove his strategic "skills"! I'd be more inclined to think that such a close vote proves how poor a player he actually was. CR; I get your point about the T vote but, from her point of view, Sandra couldn't know Burton would lose another challenge. Look at his competition: There were no Ians to beat Burton. Heck, there wasn't even a trio like Ami, Eliza and Twila in PI so even Chris faced tougher competition from F6 on! Sandra keeping Burton was like Caryn saving Tom and we know Caryn sucks...
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11/10/09 5:29 PM.
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Oowatanite |
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chapera rocks wrote:No she wasn't. At F4, Darrah wins against any of the other three. |
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chapera rocks |
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CR; I get your point about the T vote but, from her point of view, Sandra couldn't know Burton would lose another challenge. Look at his competition: There were no Ians to beat Burton. Heck, there wasn't even a trio like Ami, Eliza and Twila in PI so even Chris faced tougher competition from F6 on!I can see this as well. Though remember, in the first 6 seasons, not all individual based competitions were physical. Many of them weren't. Back then, the game was also different in that it wasn't a mad frenzy to eliminate competitors. See Roger getting targeted before Dave. Sure, Ogakor took out the physical Kuchas in Alicia/Nick as soon as they could, but no one ever looked at Colby. Oo ... Sandra and Darrah both have 2 votes, Lill/Jon/Burton would decide the winner. If Lill goes out in 4th, that would allow Darrah to make the finals. It would also mean Lill is bitter at Darrah. Plus, Sandra is a mother, so I could see Lill voting for Sandra. Jon respected Sandra's game more than either Lill or Darrah (though its not saying much from his perspective) so I could see him voting Sandra there too, but I don't know for sure (nobody knows for sure). I would tilt the scales in Sandra's favor, but you never know. |
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roxbury123 |
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In Regards to Pearl Islands:
Darrah would have beat everyone (7-0 v. Lil, 6-1 v. Jon, and 5-2 v. Sandra) ** I firmly believe Jon and Burton would have voted Darrah the Immunity Queen Sandra would have beat Jon and Lil (duh). (She beats Jon 5-2 getting votes from Rup, Tijuana, Darrah, Christa, and Lil) I think Jon would have lost to Lil. Lil would have gotten votes from Sandra/Rupert/Christa as well as Darrah and maybe Tijuana. |
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toomanynachos16 |
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roxbury123 wrote: For some reason, this final three has been one of the most widely debated over the years...Lill would've lost to everyone. That is a fact that all of the Balboa jury agrees on. Jon vs. Lill: Ryno-Jon Rupert-Lill Tijuana-Jon Christa-Lill? Burton-Jon Darrah-Jon Sandra-Lill And I understand that at the Reunion when Jeff asked the question, Darrah said she'd vote for Lill...however since then she's said that she would've voted for Jonny over Lill, and that she was confused with the way the question was worded. Even Christa may be up in the air with this one, but I gave her vote to Lill to make it a closer vote. Jonny vs. Sandra: Ryno-Sandra Rupert-Sandra Tijuana-Jonny Christa-Sandra Burton-Jonny Darrah-Jonny Lill-Sandra This would be a much closer vote, but most everybody's vote is set in stone here. The only ones that are questionable, IMO, are Ryno and Darrah. Ryno hated Jonny at the time and had a good bond with Sandra during the game (something they never showed). And it's been argued here over and over again whether Darrah would've voted for Sandra or Jonny, but the general concensus seems to be that she'd vote for Jonny. And T wouldn't have voted for Sandra in any situation...she thought of Sandra as a bitch with worse gameplay thatn Lill and Jon... |
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chapera rocks |
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Darrah would have voted for Sandra. That is clear cut. She even said so in her final words, and that is about as close to the final vote as you can get.
"Jon and Lill, your both snakes...".
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panurge46 |
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chapera rocks wrote: True but I could reply that, at the merge, Lex took out Clarence first, Boston Rob had go in Marquesas with Sean slated ahead of Vee, Brian took out Ken first (the guy looked like a physical threat even if he was pathetic) and, once pain-in-the-ass Rodger left, Dave was next. Most importantly, the PI challenges started off fairly physical from what I remember. Even in an early one that wasn't physical, Burton came within one "i" and a "booth review" by Probst of still winning immunity. From Sandra's perspective, he HAD to go. CR: I trust your Survivor memory so I'll ask you: Was Sandra aware of Rupert's merge offer to Savage of "your 3 against my 3"? |
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chapera rocks |
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panurge46 wrote:Yeah, definitely. Lex took out Clarence, but Africa's post merge game largely had nothing to do with physical prowess, with the exceptions being who was first in the pecking order of a pagonging (ex. Kim P. before Teresa). But had Clarence played a well enough social game within Boran, they wouldn't have targeted him ... you didn't see Lex try to take out Ethan or Tom. Physical prowess was an excuse to take out a player who they had no use for. As for Boston Rob, he was voted out for being a shit stirrer. Re: PI challenges. Post merge, the first IC was physical. The F9, F8, and F7 were not. And like I said, back then, people were more concerned with position as opposed to fashioning position after who's a threat and who's not. That's why I think the dynamics were better back then; anyone could go far with the right strategy. I honestly do not remember if Sandra was aware of Rupert's offer. Although to be fair, Savage was a man of his word (not necessarily a good thing in Survivor) whereas Fairplay and Burton were not. Also, as a side note, I really doubt Sandra would have been the first Drake voted out. Shawn/Burton/Michelle outcasted themselves very quickly, and Sandra was an asset in the market. I believe she teamed up with Rupert and co. fairly quickly, and we already saw a Sandra-Christa bond from the first episode. I personally took all the talk of "Sandra was slated to be the first Drake to go" as either an initial impression or just talk to make her journey to the final 2 sound better. |
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toomanynachos16 |
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Although I do agree with you, CR, that Sandra was only the first one to go due to initial impressions, I still hold my ground with the Darrah vote. She's
said in at least one interview, that people constantly cited in the past (hell it may even be on the early pages of this thread) that she misunderstood the
question and that Jon would get her vote. Even though she thought he was a snake, she respected his gameplay. Think JR's vote for Todd or Christy's
vote for Jenna....Just what I gather anyway...
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Ahora |
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toomanynachos16 wrote:That was in a Jon/Lillian final 2, not Jon/Sandra final 2 where Darrah said she would have voted Jon. She was pissed at Lill and Jon when she got voted off so she most likely would have voted Sandra in the final two. |
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toomanynachos16 |
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Ahora wrote:Got it. Still feel like Darrah would've voted for Jon over Sandra. |
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chapera rocks |
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But all evidence, including her own final words, point to her voting for Sandra over snakes Lill or Jon.
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toomanynachos16 |
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But so did Jean Robert's and Christy's.....i dunno tho, and really no one does. Agree to disagree? Can we still cuddle? haha
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