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ilovekelly752		#1341	[-]
Posts: 151 (10/31/09 9:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	kishuu wrote: My list n_n 01. Jenna 02. Parvati 03. Sandra 04. Hatch 05. Amber 06. Yul 07. Tom 08. Vecepia 09. Ethan 10. Aras 11. Brian 12. Chris 13. Danni 14. Tina 15. Earl 16. JT 17. Bob What about Todd?
OrsNaz		#1342	[-]
Posts: 245 (10/31/09 11:16 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: OutwitOutplay wrote: ^ Agreed. There seems to be a general consensus on the top seven from a majority of people. The order seems to change a little depending on what people see as strengths and weaknesses, but Tom, JT, Todd, Parvati, Hatch, Tina, and Brian tend to be tier 1. I can, though, see the argument for Yul to be included, but it's iffy for me. I personally don't see how JT is included with those other people. I'd put Danni, Yul, Sandra, and maybe Earl ahead of him. Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. Last Edited By: OrsNaz 10/31/09 11:19 AM. Edited 1 times.
SkyDreamer		#1343	[-]
Posts: 394 (10/31/09 1:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OrsNaz wrote: Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. You can like JT all you want (I hate him), but he's not a great winner. I think you listed the reasons why. If Timbira thought logically, JT would have been the first one out after the merge. That was the worst thing about Tocantins - no one was playing to win except Stephen, Tyson and Erinn. While Steph and Rafe made some mistakes, they were playing hard and they were definitely trying to win. Danni was smart enough to convince these people to do things who were clearly against their best interest. People understimate Danni because of her edit, but she actually played a great game. JT didn't do shit - he was incredibly lucky to have people like Brendan, Sierra, and Ben who fell in love with him (I still don't get why, his accent is a major turn off by itself) and were playing for him to win. Timbira is one of the most dysfunctional tribes ever, and they turned on each other instead of using some common sense. JT is NOT superior to Yul in challenges. Yul was playing against Ozzy throughout the whole merge, and he came close to beating him some times. who did JT win against? Taj? Yeah, a major phyisical competition. Yul played a much more clean game than JT. Who did Yul betray? I can think about Jonathan and maybe someone pre merge, but that was it. Yul played a very strategic game. He was in control for the majority and the game, and when he was at disadvantage, he convinced Jonathan to flip sides, and then he quickly gained control. He manipulates people in a very polite way. I respect him a lot on a personal level. JT, however, betrayed Tyson, Ben, Debbie, Taj. I don't remember if he had an alliance with Brendan, but he betrayed enough people without counting him. JT made me sick with him treating Spencer like dirt and playing emotional manipulation on his "best friend" Stephen. Yul never did that, because he could make people do what he wants without acting like he is superior to them.
Quiddity		#1344	[-]
Posts: 6603 (10/31/09 3:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game.You gotta give him at least a little credit for that. Its not like he had an incredibly powerful idol that 18 other players in his season didn't have a chance to even get, like Yul. Yul comes in ninth without it. JT didn't even need the much weaker version of the idol that he/Stephen had due to Taj. You also gotta give him credit for being the first player to ever go through the entire game without a single vote cast against him, including jury votes. JT > Yul
SkyDreamer		#1345	[-]
Posts: 397 (10/31/09 3:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game. Exactly. He wasn't the one who made it happen. I don't give him credit at all, since Timbira was made of dumb people who cared little about playing the game. You talk about Yul being 9 without his idol? Well JT would have been 9 if Timbira had a little common sense (just a little).
Shambo		#1346	[-]
Posts: 7 (10/31/09 5:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	1. Hatch 2. Brian 3. Parvati 4. Tom 5. Yul 6. Todd 7. Tina 8. Sandra 9. Earl 10. Chris 11. Ethan 12. Jenna 13. JT 14. Aras 15. Danni 16. Bob 17. Vecepia 18. Amber
OrsNaz		#1347	[-]
Posts: 249 (10/31/09 5:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SkyDreamer wrote: Quiddity wrote: Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game. Exactly. He wasn't the one who made it happen. I don't give him credit at all, since Timbira was made of dumb people who cared little about playing the game. You talk about Yul being 9 without his idol? Well JT would have been 9 if Timbira had a little common sense (just a little). and Danni would have been 7th and Sandra would have been pre-merge and Richard Hatch would have been 8th and Tina would have gone after Colby when they formed a counter alliance etc. etc. See where I am going with this? There clearly was a reason they wanted J.T. to win so damn badly. You didn't see Coach wanting to throw the game for Stephen, Sierra, Erinn etc. It was all in his "Warrior" alliance "strategy" and it just so happened J.T. was all that in one. Besides, the entire merged tribe were in love with J.T., it wasn't just the wackos and mactors. On the season that Jt was on, his game >>>> Yul.
SkyDreamer		#1348	[-]
Posts: 398 (10/31/09 9:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OrsNaz wrote: SkyDreamer wrote: Quiddity wrote: Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game. Exactly. He wasn't the one who made it happen. I don't give him credit at all, since Timbira was made of dumb people who cared little about playing the game. You talk about Yul being 9 without his idol? Well JT would have been 9 if Timbira had a little common sense (just a little). and Danni would have been 7th and Sandra would have been pre-merge and Richard Hatch would have been 8th and Tina would have gone after Colby when they formed a counter alliance etc. etc. See where I am going with this? There clearly was a reason they wanted J.T. to win so damn badly. You didn't see Coach wanting to throw the game for Stephen, Sierra, Erinn etc. It was all in his "Warrior" alliance "strategy" and it just so happened J.T. was all that in one. Besides, the entire merged tribe were in love with J.T., it wasn't just the wackos and mactors. On the season that Jt was on, his game >>>> Yul. It doesn't prove that he played a good game, it just proves Timbira was consisted of morons who cared little about winning (and that they have incredibly bad taste). For the record, most of them were mactors and wackos. Those who weren't, actually tried to play a strategic game. Yul >(•1000) JT.
Quiddity		#1349	[-]
Posts: 6604 (10/31/09 9:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SkyDreamer wrote: Quiddity wrote: Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game. Exactly. He wasn't the one who made it happen. I don't give him credit at all, since Timbira was made of dumb people who cared little about playing the game. You talk about Yul being 9 without his idol? Well JT would have been 9 if Timbira had a little common sense (just a little). JT played a strong enough social game where players who had a clear majority, even with Erinn defecting, voted themselves out instead of him until JT had the advantage. If it was all the other players, then why would they behave in a way to keep him around? If he did absolutely nothing, wouldn't they have viewed him as a big physical threat and voted him out first over Brandon? They didn't do that. You gotta give him credit for that. They didn't hand him the game for no reason whatsoever. As for Yul, he played a weak enough social and strategic game where he would have been voted out without the idol. The sole reason Jonathan flipped was because Aitu would have voted him out and the idol would have meant he went home. JT won the game without needing the idol. Yul won the game needing the idol. Not to mention the unimous win as opposed to the 1 vote difference for Yul and the individual challenge differential. JT was a better winner. :)
SkyDreamer		#1350	[-]
Posts: 399 (10/31/09 9:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: SkyDreamer wrote: Quiddity wrote: Its not JT's fault that the players around him ended up handing him the game. Exactly. He wasn't the one who made it happen. I don't give him credit at all, since Timbira was made of dumb people who cared little about playing the game. You talk about Yul being 9 without his idol? Well JT would have been 9 if Timbira had a little common sense (just a little). JT played a strong enough social game where players who had a clear majority, even with Erinn defecting, voted themselves out instead of him until JT had the advantage. If it was all the other players, then why would they behave in a way to keep him around? If he did absolutely nothing, wouldn't they have viewed him as a big physical threat and voted him out first over Brandon? They didn't do that. You gotta give him credit for that. They didn't hand him the game for no reason whatsoever. As for Yul, he played a weak enough social and strategic game where he would have been voted out without the idol. The sole reason Jonathan flipped was because Aitu would have voted him out and the idol would have meant he went home. JT won the game without needing the idol. Yul won the game needing the idol. Not to mention the unimous win as opposed to the 1 vote difference for Yul and the individual challenge differential. JT was a better winner. :) JT is NOT a good winner, or better than Yul. Read my previous long rent. Yul won the game without the other tribe acting like complete morons and destroying themselves (they made stupid decision, but to a lesser extent). Timbira had an unexplained crash on JT, which basically gave him the win. Put him in any other season, and he wouldn't win unanimously (or get to the finals at all), while Yul will have a good shot at winning. Going by your logic, Earl played a better game than Todd or Parvati.
Quiddity		#1351	[-]
Posts: 6607 (10/31/09 9:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So essentially you're gonna take the Ravu approach and dismiss JT completely, simply saying that his competition sucked, a la Brian. In fact I'm wondering at this point if you're Ravu using another name. ...nah, you don't post enough to be him.
ilovekelly752		#1352	[-]
Posts: 166 (10/31/09 9:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OutwitOutplay wrote: ^ Agreed. There seems to be a general consensus on the top seven from a majority of people. The order seems to change a little depending on what people see as strengths and weaknesses, but Tom, JT, Todd, Parvati, Hatch, Tina, and Brian tend to be tier 1. I can, though, see the argument for Yul to be included, but it's iffy for me. I personally don't see how JT is included with those other people. I'd put Danni, Yul, Sandra, and maybe Earl ahead of him. Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. My opinion is not biased. JT's one of my favorite winners personality wise. I like JT more than Richard, Tina, Ethan, Brian, Amber, Chris, Tom, Danni, Yul, Earl, and Bob. The only ones I like more than JT are Vecepia, Jenna, Sandra, Aras, Todd, and Parvati. I just wouldn't say his gameplay is amazing. I think Danni controlled her tribe pre-merge and manipulated Rafe into doing what she wanted, and through him, got Stephenie to vote out Lydia, her ticket to her ideal final two of Rafe and Stephenie. She turned the whole game around when she got Judd out. She was rich and poor in the game, and handled both perfectly. Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. JT definitely played a good game, but I think Stephen was a huge factor in putting JT in such a position of power. Erinn was the main one who got out threats without getting her hands dirty. For example, the Tyson blindside was her idea. Had they voted out Sierra, there's no telling what would've happened. JT definitely had people eating out of his hands like you said, but he didn't put himself there. Stephen did. At the end, he wasn't in a position where anything could happen and he'd be safe. Strategically, he did enough to get himself to the final three, but both Stephen and Erinn said they would've voted JT out had they won the last immunity. My opinion is based solely on strategy. He relied on a challenge, which he needed, otherwise he would've been voted off.
OrsNaz		#1353	[-]
Posts: 252 (10/31/09 9:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OutwitOutplay wrote: ^ Agreed. There seems to be a general consensus on the top seven from a majority of people. The order seems to change a little depending on what people see as strengths and weaknesses, but Tom, JT, Todd, Parvati, Hatch, Tina, and Brian tend to be tier 1. I can, though, see the argument for Yul to be included, but it's iffy for me. I personally don't see how JT is included with those other people. I'd put Danni, Yul, Sandra, and maybe Earl ahead of him. Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. My opinion is not biased. JT's one of my favorite winners personality wise. I like JT more than Richard, Tina, Ethan, Brian, Amber, Chris, Tom, Danni, Yul, Earl, and Bob. The only ones I like more than JT are Vecepia, Jenna, Sandra, Aras, Todd, and Parvati. I just wouldn't say his gameplay is amazing. I think Danni controlled her tribe pre-merge and manipulated Rafe into doing what she wanted, and through him, got Stephenie to vote out Lydia, her ticket to her ideal final two of Rafe and Stephenie. She turned the whole game around when she got Judd out. She was rich and poor in the game, and handled both perfectly. Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. JT definitely played a good game, but I think Stephen was a huge factor in putting JT in such a position of power. Erinn was the main one who got out threats without getting her hands dirty. For example, the Tyson blindside was her idea. Had they voted out Sierra, there's no telling what would've happened. JT definitely had people eating out of his hands like you said, but he didn't put himself there. Stephen did. At the end, he wasn't in a position where anything could happen and he'd be safe. Strategically, he did enough to get himself to the final three, but both Stephen and Erinn said they would've voted JT out had they won the last immunity. My opinion is based solely on strategy. He relied on a challenge, which he needed, otherwise he would've been voted off. I respect that Ilovekelly. We have our opinions.
ilovekelly752		#1354	[-]
Posts: 167 (10/31/09 10:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OutwitOutplay wrote: ^ Agreed. There seems to be a general consensus on the top seven from a majority of people. The order seems to change a little depending on what people see as strengths and weaknesses, but Tom, JT, Todd, Parvati, Hatch, Tina, and Brian tend to be tier 1. I can, though, see the argument for Yul to be included, but it's iffy for me. I personally don't see how JT is included with those other people. I'd put Danni, Yul, Sandra, and maybe Earl ahead of him. Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. My opinion is not biased. JT's one of my favorite winners personality wise. I like JT more than Richard, Tina, Ethan, Brian, Amber, Chris, Tom, Danni, Yul, Earl, and Bob. The only ones I like more than JT are Vecepia, Jenna, Sandra, Aras, Todd, and Parvati. I just wouldn't say his gameplay is amazing. I think Danni controlled her tribe pre-merge and manipulated Rafe into doing what she wanted, and through him, got Stephenie to vote out Lydia, her ticket to her ideal final two of Rafe and Stephenie. She turned the whole game around when she got Judd out. She was rich and poor in the game, and handled both perfectly. Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. JT definitely played a good game, but I think Stephen was a huge factor in putting JT in such a position of power. Erinn was the main one who got out threats without getting her hands dirty. For example, the Tyson blindside was her idea. Had they voted out Sierra, there's no telling what would've happened. JT definitely had people eating out of his hands like you said, but he didn't put himself there. Stephen did. At the end, he wasn't in a position where anything could happen and he'd be safe. Strategically, he did enough to get himself to the final three, but both Stephen and Erinn said they would've voted JT out had they won the last immunity. My opinion is based solely on strategy. He relied on a challenge, which he needed, otherwise he would've been voted off. I respect that Ilovekelly. We have our opinions. Awesome. How boring would these boards be if everyone agreed with each other?
SkyDreamer		#1355	[-]
Posts: 401 (10/31/09 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: So essentially you're gonna take the Ravu approach and dismiss JT completely, simply saying that his competition sucked, a la Brian. In fact I'm wondering at this point if you're Ravu using another name. ...nah, you don't post enough to be him. I'm saying he's a crappy winner. He might have made alliances and was nice to his jury, but Timbira's awful game play player a bigger part in his win than his own stratefy. I think he's overrated and quite annoying.
OrsNaz		#1356	[-]
Posts: 258 (10/31/09 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OrsNaz wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: OutwitOutplay wrote: ^ Agreed. There seems to be a general consensus on the top seven from a majority of people. The order seems to change a little depending on what people see as strengths and weaknesses, but Tom, JT, Todd, Parvati, Hatch, Tina, and Brian tend to be tier 1. I can, though, see the argument for Yul to be included, but it's iffy for me. I personally don't see how JT is included with those other people. I'd put Danni, Yul, Sandra, and maybe Earl ahead of him. Thats because you have a bias opinion. Sandra/Danni a better winner in terms of gameplay over JT? Really? Danni is a personality winner. She survived because of her personality. Had Rafe and Steph thought logically, she would have been gone before Lyda and Judd. JT was like a Danni on crack in terms in "playing" the personality card. He had everyone feeding him information. He had the entire posing tribe flip without knocking any of his alliance members off. He had Debbie, Coach, Brendan, & Sierra all wanting him to get to the final 2. The guy was king personality. Sandra was incredibly likable and very entertaining but its embarrassing that you classify her as Tier 1 above the likes of Yul/JT. Re-watch the season. Yul was awesome. He had a great strategy. Had a great personality. Stuck with the plan from the beginning and ended up with his core alliance in the end. Here are a few reasons why J.T. is superior to Yul. J.T. > Yul at the relationship part of the game. J.T. had everyone eating out of his hands and highly respected him. Yul was respected but not to the degree that J.T. was. J.T. got very lucky having such stupid players like Coach/Brendan wanting to throw the game for him. Yul got an incredibly overpowered idol with an incredibly stupid tool (Jonathan). J.T. knocked off all potential "wild cards" or "threats" without personally getting his hands dirty. J.T. > Yul at challenges. J.T. was pretty much the combination of Yul and Ozzy. Dislike J.T. all you want but he was a great winner. I dislike a lot of the winners but that doesn't change the fact that they played a great game. Sandra and Yul are some of my favorite players too. My opinion is not biased. JT's one of my favorite winners personality wise. I like JT more than Richard, Tina, Ethan, Brian, Amber, Chris, Tom, Danni, Yul, Earl, and Bob. The only ones I like more than JT are Vecepia, Jenna, Sandra, Aras, Todd, and Parvati. I just wouldn't say his gameplay is amazing. I think Danni controlled her tribe pre-merge and manipulated Rafe into doing what she wanted, and through him, got Stephenie to vote out Lydia, her ticket to her ideal final two of Rafe and Stephenie. She turned the whole game around when she got Judd out. She was rich and poor in the game, and handled both perfectly. Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. JT definitely played a good game, but I think Stephen was a huge factor in putting JT in such a position of power. Erinn was the main one who got out threats without getting her hands dirty. For example, the Tyson blindside was her idea. Had they voted out Sierra, there's no telling what would've happened. JT definitely had people eating out of his hands like you said, but he didn't put himself there. Stephen did. At the end, he wasn't in a position where anything could happen and he'd be safe. Strategically, he did enough to get himself to the final three, but both Stephen and Erinn said they would've voted JT out had they won the last immunity. My opinion is based solely on strategy. He relied on a challenge, which he needed, otherwise he would've been voted off. I respect that Ilovekelly. We have our opinions. Awesome. How boring would these boards be if everyone agreed with each other? The boards wouldn't exist. This place needs conflict, fuck I love the conflict. Sometimes I get a good enough answer to stop badgering (ur case) and sometimes their point of view makes absolutely no sense and is full of shit that I completely end the convo. ^.^
Oceanic 815		#1357	[-]
Posts: 127 (10/31/09 10:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: So essentially you're gonna take the Ravu approach and dismiss JT completely, simply saying that his competition sucked, a la Brian. In fact I'm wondering at this point if you're Ravu using another name. ...nah, you don't post enough to be him. Wasn't the Ravu approach ranking JT first?
Quiddity		#1358	[-]
Posts: 6609 (11/01/09 5:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^He was? I thought it was Yul. I'd check, but I don't want to read one of his posts ever again.
panurge46		#1359	[-]
Posts: 1510 (11/01/09 9:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ilovekelly752 wrote: Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. I'm still suffering from winners ranking indigestion but I read in small doses at times and this is just incredible!! Sandra was so good at reading people that, even after hearing Jon and Burton plan on voting out Rupert she still didn't believe they would do it. She stupidly voted against Jon at that TC. Even if Lill had voted with them, Rupert was still leaving because of that useless throwaway, "I want to make him pay" vote. Sandra was so bad at strategy that, if you had let her decide every vote between F10 and F5, she would have lost!!!! Lill and Jon were the only 2 people she could beat in the end yet those were the ones she wanted voted out most dearly. BTW: JT played Survivor. Yul didn't.
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Posts: 199 (11/02/09 6:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	panurge46 wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: Sandra was also amazing at reading people, was one of the most observant players ever, and she orchestrated several blindsides. She and Jon went back and forth blindsiding each other, and she came out on top. I'm still suffering from winners ranking indigestion but I read in small doses at times and this is just incredible!! Sandra was so good at reading people that, even after hearing Jon and Burton plan on voting out Rupert she still didn't believe they would do it. She stupidly voted against Jon at that TC. Even if Lill had voted with them, Rupert was still leaving because of that useless throwaway, "I want to make him pay" vote. Sandra was so bad at strategy that, if you had let her decide every vote between F10 and F5, she would have lost!!!! Lill and Jon were the only 2 people she could beat in the end yet those were the ones she wanted voted out most dearly. BTW: JT played Survivor. Yul didn't. I'm not saying Sandra was perfect. She definitely made mistakes, but she played the game well. I think she would've won against Christa, but after she was out, she didn't target Jon or Lil. She knows who she can beat.

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