Great Winners
1. Brian
2. Yul
3. Rich
4. Tina
Very Good Winners
5. Tom
6. Vecepia
7. Aras
8. Sandra
Average Winners
9. Chris
10. Danni
Poor Winner
11. Jenna
12. Amber
13. Ethan
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Wow what a surprise CA thought the young white girls were the best, and Yul the worst.
Great Winners 1. Brian 2. Yul 3. Rich 4. Tina Very Good Winners 5. Tom 6. Vecepia 7. Aras 8. Sandra Average Winners 9. Chris 10. Danni Poor Winner 11. Jenna 12. Amber 13. Ethan |
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mfull1991 |
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1 .Tom
2. Rich 3. Sandra 4. Brian 5. Yul 6. Tina 7. Amber 8. Danni 9. Chris 10. Jenna 11. Vecepia 12. Aras 13. Ethan |
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WylDawg |
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Yep, CA's definition of a good winner is younger, dumber and most cum as possible around the mouth.
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panurge46 |
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Players who have won, have used one of 3 methods: They were either leaders, followers or infiltrators.
Leaders who have won are: Richard, Tina, Brian, Tom, Aras and Yul. Infiltrators are: Chris and Danni (strangely, both were leaders of the minority tribe) Followers are: Ethan, Jenna and Amber. Vee and Sandra could be considered both followers and infiltrators. Vee, although always at the bottom of the pecking order, was never without allies; she had Sean to follow into the F4. Sandra, though in the majority until F8, found herself alone at F5. For those reasons I think of both as followers but with a better game by Sandra. Personally, I prefer the leaders, especially those who were contested and had to fight to stay in power or contain strategies of others. Watching Infiltrators operate however, is a lot more fun. Here are my rankings: 1- Tina: In the 4th episode, she took over the alliance of 5 and made everyone realize that the Good people had to stick together. After that, she decided every boot. 2- Danni: If Survivor is a social game, her strategy of making friends with everyone is the best. Infiltrating Rafes alliance was done masterfully. 3- Tom: As a leader, he crushed an opposing tribe that, at first, looked stronger. He got his alliance of 5, Gregg mainly, to buy into the idea that the Best had to make it to the end. 4- Aras: He guided a crazy alliance and knew which players to keep close to him. Unlike most tribes, EVERY Casayan tried to do something on his own. Bruce liked Terry more but Aras made Bruce feel more important to the Casaya alliance. Terry needed Bruce only for a vote, Aras pretended to need a teacher, a mentor. Bruce liked that. Aras made Shane think that Shane was his wing man, his closest ally when he was actually #4 behind Cirie and Danielle. Aras didnt panic with the idol despite being in line for the bounce. 5- Chris: He had F2 alliances with everyone and lied to everyone. 6- Yul: He was impressive as a leader. The HII gave him too much safety but he used it well. 7- Richard: He invented the strategy. No one else knew the rules. Hes practically Hors Catégorie. 8- Brian: He tricked everyone and won challenges but Sook Jai auto-destructed and CG were docile sheeps 9- Sandra: In a very mean-spirited season, she managed to survive. 10- Vecepia: She was not really part of the ruling alliance but she almost always voted with the majority. 11- Ethan: A follower who knew when to step in. 12- Jenna: She wanted to quit and helped turn Survivor into a High School comedy. 13- Amber: She had the right idea on how to win a season of super-egos. |
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Kacheoti Gold |
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I like them all except for Chris and Sandra. But my Peru fanfic winner>>>>>all
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JaMalle |
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Forgot to add the newest winners! lol
1. Richard * * 2. Tina 3. Danni * * 4. Yul 5. Tom very lucky imho, but the other winners have greater flaws unfortunately... 6. Brian * 7. Vecepia. bitter jury. 8. Sandra great strategy but very lacking at the same time. 9. Jenna nice social game? lol please. bitter jury * * * 10. Aras The HII saved him, and he voted against Danielle... Luckily she won the F4 tie breaker AND the F3IC or else Aras would have lose in a landslide against either Terry or Cirie. Very very very lucky. There was effort there, unlike Chris. 11. Chris completely lucked out. I give him credit for his jury performance though. Complete opposite of Danni even with their "similar" combacks. Chris was reactive; Danni was proactive. That's why she's #3 and he's #11. 12. Ethan an excellent "Star Follower" * * * * * * * * * * * 13. Amber - sorry, but her strategy only works for ASS. Has a UTR do-nothing ever won the game??? There's a difference between getting a UTR edit (Danni) and actually playing a UTR game (Amber). They never will win, and for good reason. Except on ASS2 maybe, which will also end up a disapointment... |
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RavuRules |
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Quote: With that logic, then you'd have to say the same for Ethan. He did nothing but play a decent social game and was carried to the top, because he was more likeable. Other than his initial boys alliance, he literally didn't do anything basically but not piss people off. Compared to Amber (who I'd say also played a better social game), he had even weaker competition. Lex was very disliked, Kim was pathetic, and everyone else was the minority. His only real competitor was Tom who was booted because he was the biggest threat of the final 4. Amber rode coattails, but even she was more proactive, having made multiple deals with everyone So to answer your question, "Has a UTR-do nothing ever won the game???". Yes, Ethan did too |
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1. sandra
obv. best played game ever. Probably the funniest and sassiest winner ever. 2. rich yay for gay 3. jenna m i was so happy to see a good looking woman win for once 4. danni she looks like jerri and played the game when it counted 5. vecepia probably one of the best utr strategies ever, and going from a tribe of hateful slobs it takes a lot to win 6. ethan it was so obvious he was going to win that it almost become un obvious, gooooo ethan! 7. brian one of the smartest players to play in a game filled with idiots 8. amber its fun seeing women attach to men to gain power, and it worked for her. i praise her! 9. chris he didn't have it that hard, i mean he got to spend time with a lot of women and two lesbos, thats like a dream porno 10. yul kinda of boring but who cares 11. tina most boring woman ever wins survivor. 12. aras going against the ultimate goat was so hard. 13. the game was given to him at the start, plus taking the biggest goat to the final two, plus the fact that no one would go against him, plus the fact that he's a fireman post 9/11 etc is why he sucks the most. |
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panurge46 |
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Quote: If you look at my rankings you will note that Ethan isn't a favorite of mine but he did organize 2 of the most crucial votes in his season: The Silas and the Brandon boots were Ethan's doing. In Brandon's boot, it was Ethan that used the fracture on the other tribe to get Boran out of the 4-4 mess Lex had made. For me a UTR-do nothing winner would be Sandra. She was off the radar because she was totally inept in challenges, even a handicap to her tribe. She did nothing in the survival department either. Throwing out the fish could've put a target on her back. She had no strategy and she needed Lill's generosity to win. BrokenLust, what she obviously played was a poor game!!! Some think the "Anyone but me" is a strategy but since it has no long term vision, it isn't. It's like playing chess and only moving your knight back and forth so as not to open your position, thinking you're keeping all your pieces safe. It is a dumb way to play as Lydia proved. Sandra won simply because Lill whooped Jon's ass in the last challenge. How is that different than Tina? The differences are immense: 1- Tina had put her hooks into Colby from day 1; Keith had no right to win. 2- Colby was a more formidable champion for Tina's cause than Lill was for Sandra!! 3- Keith was also bringing her!! Sandra didn't even play the "Jon is undeserving card", Lill did it herself, refusing to contribute to Jon's lifestyle. Why did I rate Sandra at #9? She was entertaining and she showed a lot of determination, not because she was a player. If DraKe wasn't so strong and the opening hadn't put her in a nice position of helping her team in the Spanish-speaking village, she's out first in most seasons. BTW: Tom controlled the whole game. He was one of the few that got the title of Sole Survivor without a healthy dose of luck. Funny some feel he sucked. Authority issues, I guess!! |
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JaMalle |
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Ethan wasn't a do-nothing for the reasons panurge described.
AND Sandra was in no way a Do-nothing UTR player. puh-lease. That was Darrah... Sandra helped create the majority alliance on Drake. She sneaked behind bushes and listened in on secret conversations. She made deals with Lill/Jon/Burton/Tijuanna/Darrah at different points in the game. Sandra played the game. She kinda sucked in hindsight but regardless, she played the game. A UTR-do-nothing player is someone that doesn't play the game at all. None of the winners can be categorized as this. Amber, Darrah, Christy, Janu, Alicia(ASS) Jan and others I can't recall are some of the notable UTR do nothing players. |
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panurge46 |
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Ja Male: We have a difference of semantics. For me a UTR player isn't necessarily someone who stays quiet but someone who doesn't pose a threat. They aren't on the radar simply because the other players aren't worried about that player winning immunity. THAT defines Sandra perfectly.
A do-nothing player is someone who does nothing to help the tribe, couldn't survive on their own and simply goes along with the alliance. That also is Sandra, especially before Rupert's boot. Later, I did enjoy seeing her crawl through the bushes to spy but nothing ever came of it. After she had showed Tijuana that Jon and Burton were plotting against the women, she made a F4 deal with Jon and Burton. She attempted to play the game, fine, that's why she's my #9 not 13. Too bad she never stuck with it! Since her plan was to go to the end with Rupert and Christa, what did Sandra have in mind to beat Rupert in the end? A player that does something, would've had a plan. I don't think she had one, like Jan, Janu, etc... |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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^being utr doesnt necessarily make ou boring
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GASP I just love bumping LTS threads. Quick note here, I actually really like all the winners and am fine with all of their victories. So...
1. Sandra 2. Tom 3. Richard 4. Tina 5. Brian 6. Earl 7. Jenna 8. Todd 9. Danni 10. Chris 11. Yul 12. Aras 13. Amber 14. Ethan 15. Vecepia Wow, there's way too many seasons of this show. |
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ZOMG!
1. Earl 2. Brian 3. Tom 4. Tina 5. Richard 6. Danni 7. Todd 8. Chris 9. Vecepia 10. Jenna 11. Yul 12. Aras 13. Sandra 14. Ethan
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I'll bite. Please note I am not including Earl since I stopped watching Fiji post-Syliva. I should download it one day when nothing else is getting my
attention. As most proberly note, I respect strategy and gameplay above all
1. Brian - He is our Lord and Master. 2. Tina - She created a small cult-like following. 3. Todd - Yes, I think he was good. 4. Richard - Credit where credit is due, but would be lower if it was anything other then the first season. 5. Aras - Was the Kermit in a group of crazy Muppets. 6. Jenna - Good and much under-rated game. 7. Sandra - Anybody but me strategy was great especially since she did set up other people (Trish, Christa) to be those 'anybody' 8. Danni - Criminally under-rated edit. Would definately be higher if we where shown more. 9. Yul - Credit to flipping JonathonChrist, but never quiet felt he was all that either. 10. Vecepia - Like Danni, I think she'd be higher if she was given more airtime. She was a smart cookie and made some good moves. 11. Tom - Great at challenges, not so great strategy wise - but I do credit him for influencing Caryn's stupid decisions to benefit him. 12. Chris. No, sorry, not a fan. 13. Ethan - I only rate him this high because he does have a likeable personality. 14. Amber - Being a coat-tail rider to the guy whose dick you suck isn't strategy. |
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1. Tina
5. Danni 6. Sandra 7. Brian
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1. Brian
2. Chris 3. Tina 4. Tom 5. Hatch 6. Todd 7. Danni 8. Earl 9. Yul 10. Amber 11. Jenna 12. Aras 13. Vecepia 14. Ethan 15. Sandra |
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1. Tina. This woman is scary good, y'all. She knows how to manipulate people and remain in power at a level that I don't even think
she consciously understands how good at this game she is. It's no surprise to me that she was voted off first in ASS, because she was DANGEROUS. The only
other female player in sixteen seasons that even comes CLOSE to her natural ability at this game is Cirie. Always thinking. Always looking for an opening.
She masterminded Mitchell's ouster and ferreted out Jeff's previous votes. Always in the power group. Had all of the final four willing to take her
to the end. Did a great job of placating Rodger and Elisabeth to keep them from making a counterstrike.
2. Yul. Brilliant, BRILLIANT player. Kept his tribe alive, and was a master of negotiations. He essentially made Jonathan his bitch, and managed to beat Ozzy in a final vote, which was no small accomplishment. I don't think he was able to maintain control over the game quite as well as Tina did, though. 3. Richard. I have to rank him high, because he essentially INVENTED the game. He knew he needed an alliance, he knew how he could best use Sean, he knew that he needed to get rid of Rudy without overtly backstabbing him, and he knew Kelly was the safest opponent for him to face. I think, though, that ASS showed that the colossal weakness he had was his social game. A player like him now would never make it past the merge. 4. Tom. Dominant physical player who was able to captain a near-unstoppable team and then convinced his biggest threat to throw himself on his sword. He won, in some ways, out of intimidation... that nobody felt that they SHOULD be able to compete with him. 5. Todd. He was a good player, calling the shots. If anything, he showed a Cesternino-esque fanboy tendency to overcomplicate things. He managed to overcome a reputation for sneakiness and betrayal, and still win. However, his BIGGEST piece of luck was that Amanda choked in the endgame... making undeliverable promises to Denise and Peih-Gee and then stinking up the joint in the final TC to the point that Courtney(!!) was the bigger threat to pull an upset in the final TC. I am biased and probably ranked him a bit higher than he probably deserved because I've been wanting a fanboy to win for years. 6. Vecepia. She's so hard to categorize because she revolutionized the game. She showed how to win without being in power. I keep vacillating, six years later, about whether she was an incredibly innovative strategist or an opportunistic parasite who managed to make the final two with someone who blew the final TC. (When ranking these, I considered ranking Vecepia anywhere between #4 and #11...) I will say, though, that of all the winners in the post Richard Hatch world, I think she was the most innovative in terms of creating a new way of playing the game. I can't say I really enjoy her "use others as a human shield, cut deals with whomever is in power, and take the weakest to the final" strategy, but it is the way that most of the other female winners (as well as Chris) have won this game. 7. Brian. I think he's the most overrated winner in a lot of ways. Yes, he did dominate challenges. Yes, he did cut deals with everyone to guarantee himself the final two. However... he was SO CLOSE to blowing his master plan with his unbelievably poor social game that he nearly lost to Clay, and actually, only by the grace of the fact that Clay's a bit racist and he had the foresight to choke out a semi-sincere apology to Helen did he win. I remember that they determined during the reunion also would have lost 5-2 to Jan. JAN, people. I just don't see that big of a difference between him and, say, Stephenie or Dreamz in terms of gameplay other than the fact remains that he got away with it. 8. Earl. In a dull season of chaos, poor playing, and even poorer sportsmanship, Earl managed to play pretty well. That being said, he had THE EASIEST path to the final, and he set that up for himself. All he had to do was acknowledge that he couldn't beat Yau-Man and vote him out, and then he got to face Cassandra and Dreamz together. All he had to do to win the final vote was show up. I like Earl, and I think he made some smart choices, especially in allies and realizing who would and would not constitute a good opponent in the final. He is very fortunate that he wasn't forced to face Yau-Man, because he'd have been a (deservedly) distant second to him. 9. Jenna. You know, at the time, I couldn't stand her, but several completely loathsome and vaguely sociopathic Big Brother winners later, I've softened on her. I do think that she was absolutely the second best player of her season after Rob. The one thing that I do appreciate about her game is that she (and, to be fair, Heidi as well) knew how to read a jury. She knew she needed to get rid of people like Roger and Christy and Joanna and Jeanne if she wanted to win, and that her target audience was men under 35, and Heidi. Paradoxically, she won because she was perceived as the least likely of the women to win the last two ICs, and was wrong. Jenna did capitalize well off of Rob's blunders (ousting Christy, and letting one of the girls into the final four) as well as Matt's inability to both read a jury and correctly determine who he might have had a chance of beating (Butch, probably, and I do believe Matt v. Rob would have been a closer match-up than Matt v. Jenna.) She knew what the jury needed to hear, and gave it to them, and Matt... bless him, he didn't have a clue. 10. Danni. You know, I like her, and I think she played the social game and the endgame well, but her win was a lot like Lisa's in Big Brother 3 in that she didn't win because she was a superior player; she won because everyone hated her opponent and the power couple of Rafe and Steph were dumb enough to take Danni, the woman without an enemy on the jury, to the final 3 instead of Lydia or Cindy, and she won her way into the final. I guess I'd say that her win was mostly due to her ability to convince Rafe and Steph to do some really stupid things. 11. Chris. Okay player who managed to make some decent moves at critical times, usually with some prodding. Vanuatu was maddening because the players with strategic acumen had no social game, and vice versa. I would agree with Scout's assessment that he was up to his ears in BS, but he was smart enough to team up to take the disliked Twila and Scout to final 3 instead of the more jury-friendly Eliza and Julie. 12. Sandra. What a weird season. She ended up in a really favorable position almost completely by accident. Of Rupert and the Rupert-ettes, she was the least threatening, so she slipped through the cracks. Darrah was ousted because she was the biggest threat and would have beaten any opponent she faced, for no apparent reason other than she was the least obnoxious in the final four and Ryno had a crush on her. And Sandra had arguably the most beatable finale opponent of anyone save Earl and won, basically, because she used her "anyone but me" credo to outlast Burton, and Lill decided she'd rather lose to Sandra than Fairplay. It's weird, because in some ways, Sandra played very well in that she guaranteed herself a place in the end stages of the game due to her ability to cut deals and target others, but I also feel like the circumstances that actually got her to the final were random and based more on luck than just about any other finalist. I do genuinely wonder how Fairplay would have fared had he made the final, though, against either Sandra or Lill... would he have fought for the million or would he had preferred the limelight and acted like a jackass? 13. Amber. She had an advantage: that nobody saw her as a threat, physically or strategically, going into this season. Combine that with a good alliance partner to play bad cop, and the fact that she DID pick up some pointers from her enemy, Tina, on how to advance in the game... she surpassed all expectations. And, besides, I find there's a kind of grim irony in her win. Would ANYONE watching Outback think that the girl was capable of winning a future season? 14. Aras. Ehh. Decent leader and a likable enough guy, but let's not kid ourselves, he was the third best player in that final four, and he owes much of his win to his Fairy Godmother Cirie for convincing Danielle to vote off every single person she had a chance at beating. That being said, he was a stable force in one of the most scattered and bizarre endgame alliances. 15. Ethan. He's not a master player. Then again, in a season where EVERY SINGLE post-merge player blew an opportunity to guarantee their alliance final four out of sheer spite... he was probably the correct winner for this season. He was just a really nice guy that all three of Lex, Tom, and Kim were willing to lose to. And, since he got to face the easiest of those three in the final TC, he wasn't really held accountable for the fact that Lex and Tom did much of his dirty work aside from maybe his anti-Silas plotting. This is why I loved watching him in ASS... he actually had to claw his way through the game instead of having the game handed to him on a silver platter, especially with Lex now realizing that, hey, this guy is really charismatic and poses a major threat. |
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Kacheoti Gold wrote:It's easy to make a fake winner that plays the perfect game. Thing is, none of the winners have been perfect, and that's what makes it so hard to rank them. Tina's probably come the closest to a mistake-less game, but they're all human, and they all have their faults. Any fanfic with a winner that doesn't make mistakes isn't a very good one, in my mind. By the way, just skimming through, Schadenfreude is the first person in a while to make a really spot-on list. I don't agree 100%, but he's pretty damn close. |
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Everyone who ranks the winners has a holistic view in their head of whats "spot on" accurate, but I like Schadenfreudes list for the most part. That
being said, I like his list. I think Todd and Vecepia are too high on the list, and Aras is too low. Vecepia would of not won had Kathy aligned with the
General like she should have, and Todd clearly would of lost had Amanda not imploded at the end. Secondly, Cirie actually madea mistake at the f5 by not
booting Danielle. She had a fair shot at beating Shane in the firemaking tiebreaker. In an Aras/Cirie f2,its a toss up(although I still think Aras would of
won), but no matter what, it would of gottenher better then 4th place.Aras wanted Cirie to betray Shane again(and the only way to do that is get him out at
f5), and thats why he outplayed her
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