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Vyvvi |
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Only winner I've really liked-Sandra...Amber was okay her first season, but ASS messed everyone up
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SPunKeeMonKee |
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Quote:Sandra deserved to win, no question, but there was a reason why Tijuana voted for Lill instead of her. As for my rankings, it's kind of difficult to position some of the winners based on strategy because every season is different.. so it usually comes down to likeability for me, unless the winner is somebody like Amber, who I think is nice enough as a person but rode coattails pretty much the whole way through. |
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WarningSpoilerAhead |
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Yay, a listing thread.
Let's take a look at the 6-1 votes at the Final Tribal Council shall we. A lot of people are up in arms about that fact. Well we have Jenna beating Matt in the Amazon and the only person to vote for Matt, was Butch. I agree with an earlier post citing that the Amazon cast was a bunch high-schoolers who had clique mentality and most for the most popular girl. Then the very next season we had Sandra beat Lill, and Tijuana was the only dissenter from the majority. Here I believe that Tijauna genuinely thought that Lill had a harder battle to fight than did Sandra. Lill made a very persuasive argument during the last final tribal basically asking the jury to separate the uniform from the game. Which Lill reluctantly learned to do throughout the game because she knew she had to play or she would get voted out. In Survivor: Palau, Tom beats Katie. I honestly thought Tom would win 7-0 here and was stunned to see that Coby had voted for Katie (and moreso against Tom). At that point Coby had said at the Final Tribal council that Tom had played the game just as dirty as Coby would've liked to and Coby's problem was that Tom was admitting it. Which is why during his vote Coby said: "I wanted honesty and I got it...::Holds up Katie vote:: but it wasn't from you, Tom." The rest of the jury members voted against Katie simply because of her antics during her 39 days out there, and rightly so. In the most recent completed season in Guatemala Danni beat out Steph by yet another 6-1 margin. This time Rafe, the final jury member cast the sole Stephenie vote. We all knew that Steph was burning bridges after the merge especially with Jamie, Judd, Cindy and Lydia. There was no way in hell that Bobby Jon and Gary would vote against Danni in the final vote. This covers the entire 6 vote bloc for Danni to win. Who really pukes me out is Rafe. Rafe promised Danni a spot in the Final Three, which I will never understand. Since Lydia was no challenge threat, and yet Rafe still stuck with it. Then Rafe releases Danni from his promise, and yet still half-expects her to take him. When she doesn't, he's mad and votes for Steph. I'll never understand that. So there you have it...four seasons with four winners winning with the biggest margin ever in Survivor. You may be upset at those certain people for voting the way they did, but hey it happened and someday sooner or later we may get our first 7-0 winner. Yeah, that like will ever happen! |
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Pulau Tiga |
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Quote:Many of them were convinced that Mateo hadn't really played the game, whereas Jenna truly had. She was in the majority alliance at Jaburu, and proceeded to create an inter-sex alliance after the switch. She helped form another "popular kid" alliance after the merge, which could have easily have taken her to the F3 if Alex hadn't screwed them all over. Her immunity challenge win carried her through the final rounds, as she impressively beat the odds and the worker bee alliance that was against her. The jury saw he play as respectable, and felt she did much of what she needed to do to win. The fact that her social game was much stronger than Matthew's helped her even more, of course, but it's evident that she outplayed her opponent throughout the game. Quote:I think the rest of the jury voted for Tom, not against Katie. Tom dominated Palau, and every jury member appreciated that. They wouldn't give their vote to Katie when she had done so little to make it as far as she did. Quote:I know people give Rafe flak for his jury vote, and it's true that I haven't read many post-show interviews or such regarding Guatemala, but I truly think he likely voted for Stephenie because she had so much control throughout the game. Danni was always fighting an uphill battle, and it was Rafe that brought her along to the end anyway. Rafe prefered to reward Stephenie for her dominant game rather than Danni for her low-key one. |
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GretchenIsMyGod |
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I find Tina and Richard's games striking parallels of one another. Richard won by exploiting people's selfishness and Tina by exploiting people's altrusim. Both had amazing foresight, Richard is seeing the game not as the meritocratic experiment that it masqueraded as and Tina in seeing the need to find out Debb's vote, get out Mitchell early and move up the hierarchy, and nixing Jerri to secure her hold on Colby.
I'd give the edge to Tina for doing it w/ such finesse. Colby didn't even have any doubts about bringing Tina to the final 2, and Keith wouldn't have either. Similarly, Ethan and Vee have parallels in their gameplay. Most obvious is their under-the-radar approach, but also Vee's strength lay in disloyalty but Ethan's in his loyalty. Both made obvious mistakes, Vee in her vote for Neleh and Ethan in his vote for KellyG, but Ethan's is far more glaring. Even his handling of the Clarence boot was potentially deadly. Also, Vee had more clever ploys, such as instituting drama (campfire chats, Hunter's the leader) and then hiding beneath it ("no more drama!"). Ethan gets points for having the final 4 all want to lose to him, but his mistakes are so glaring that I think it puts him below Vee. Thus far: 1) Tina 2) Richard 3) Vee 4) Ethan I like to knock Brian's gameplay because he's a bit of a bastard (and i find the whole "Lord and Master Heidik" fanclub uber-creepy), but he did play pretty brilliantly - to a point. Playing off his betrayal of Ted/Helen as a misunderstanding of sandwriting was very clever, but damnit Brian, you're cutting it really close. W/o someone as despicable as Clay, I"m not sure you could've altered your gameplay enough to win, and you just threw away most of Sook Jai's votes w/o even trying. He may have been in power more than Vee, but he also had the ability to be. His con-artist schtick gets him right below Vee, for now. Jenna is, despite her vocal fanbase, underrated. Even if she won because of a popularity contest, that doesn't make her not a good player. Her need to go on an immunity run at the end was Alex's fault, not her own. A lot of people hold her wanting to quit against her, but I'm still not convinced that wasn't strategic. If she wanted to quit she could've just left. But she didn't. Her pageant skills served her well in front of the jury, and I think she played a remarkable social game. I'd place her right below Richard. Sandra ... *sigh* ... I like Sandra a lot, and she's sly, but I think, like Ethan, other people's poorer gameplay influecned her win more than her own clever gameplay. Great winner to watch, though. She understood the game ... kinda ... she did think Lill was going to beat her in the finals... below Brian. Amber's strategy, though it draws the ire of sucksters, was pretty good. Just simple. But it didn't need to be anything more complex. Just the play the mafia wife. She's not dumb ... and I think riding coattails is completely valid. She's about on par with Sandra to me. I'd give Sandra the edge just because she's got more fight in her. Rupert ... just kidding. 1) Tina 2) Richard 3) Jenna 4) Vee 5) Brian 6) Sandra 7) Amber 8) Ethan Meh ... I don't wanna play anymore. I can never find the win of anyone past this point nearly as interesting. |
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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1. Everyone, but...
... .... ...... GAP ..... .... ... 2. Dick Hatch, for obvious reasons |
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taigark |
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1. Sandra
2. Rich 3. Brian 4. Tina 5. Vecepia 6. Tom 7. Danni 8. Amber 9. Jenna 10. Ethan 11. Chris |
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KororShark9 |
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Meh. I'll take a crack at this. In making my choices, I'm looking at the big picture, not just gameplay or likeability:
1.) Tom W. 2.) Jenna M. 3.) Brian (thailand) 4.) Sandra 5.) Vecepia 6.) Rich Hatch 7.) Ethan 8.) Tina 9.) Danni 10.) Amber 11.) Chris I don't think any winner was a bad winner. Clearly they all had to do at least something right in order to win. |
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prozaczoloft |
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^If Terry wins, will he be a bad winner?
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KororShark9 |
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Probably not. If he can manage to pull that off after screwing up so much already, then that could very well earn him an 8th or 9th place spot on the list. I'm being optimistic. Plus, Terry seems to have slim to no chance of winning at this point anyhow. |
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JaMalle |
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If he wins every IC challenge, then they'll give him the vote. If he wins any other way, he's still a bad winner. His move on Courtney/Danielle was promising....
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WylDawg |
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Terry winning would be like Tom winning again. Complete physical dominance, very little strategy.
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JaMalle |
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Which is why Tom isn't such a great winner. Tom and Terry (if he wins) only outlasted the others, but they missed the other two points completely.
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Terrywins |
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Terry tried his strategy so much on the Casayans but none of them budged. i think we might see a little more strategy out of Terry in the last episodes
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Monkeyhunt |
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Tom was a great manipulator but a mediocre (at best) strategist - Ian was the brains in the alliance. If Terry wins, though (and he won't), he'd be far far behind Tom, because he has absolutely no manipulation skills. Tom was great at grasping on people's insecurities and desires and exploiting that to make him loyal to him against their best interests. Terry's just a challenge horse.
Actually, if Terry wins, unless he pulls some major play within the next two episodes, I'd rank him as the second worst winner of all time - just above Ethan. If Aras wins, I'd probably place him fifth, below Danni but above Jenna and Tom. If Cirie wins, she'd be third or fourth, below Rich and Tina and close to Brian. If Danielle wins, I honestly have no idea, since we haven't seen enough of her game to decide. I'd probably put her under Vecepia and above Amber, Chris and Ethan. Maybe under Amber, too. If Shane wins? Shane won't win. No one will ever, ever come close to playing as brilliantly as Rich and Tina did. |
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JaMalle |
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The Winner from Exile Island
1. Richard * 2. Tina 3. Danni * 4. Tom 5. Brian *[Cirie] [Aras] *[Danielle] 6. Vecepia 7. Sandra 8. Jenna * * * * 9. Chris [Terry] 10. Ethan 11. Amber - sorry, but her strategy only works for ASS. [Shane] worst winner, especially since he hasn't been running the show for a long time now or made any exceptionally strategic moves. Plus, he's not much of a competitor. Overall, I think if we get a winner besides terry/shane, they'll be quite deserving as an exceptionally good winner. |
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Pulau Tiga |
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Quote:It really depends on how they finish up the game. I'd assume that Cirie would be a top-notch winner if she pulled it off, but if she makes it due to strategic blunders on someone else's part or some stroke of luck, her position is hurt a bit. On the flip side of the coin, Danielle or Terry could pull off some amazing plays and become quite the deserving winner. It comes down to how it all plays out. |
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SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor |
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Terry would be the worst winner ever, no doubt. He'd be at the end with no strategy and would be earning votes not due to likeability, but due to the fact that he won a ton of ICs and some folks like Bruce might enjoy that. If Terry's up against Danielle, I could see Shane/Bruce voting for him (and thus giving him the win since Austin/Sally are in his pocket).........poor strategist, horrid HORRID social player, etc. His win would fall into the Jenna/Chris luck category where he had to win ICs to help him reach the end. If Terry was in a season other than EI or Palau, there would certainly be nonphysical challenges that he would lose, thus costing him the game. In other words, right place, right time.
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eternaljoy |
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Gameplay
01. Brian 02. Rich 03. Tom 04. Tina 05. Jenna 06. Amber 07. Danni 08. Sandra 09. Ethan 10. Vecepia 11. Chris My Personal Preference 1. Amber 2. Danni 3. Jenna 4. Tom 5. Brian 6. Sandra 7. Rich 8. Tina 9. Rich 10. Chris 11. Vecepia I actually like 1-9 |
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prettyskye |
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What about Rupert?
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