Beefcake wrote:
survivorjb2003 wrote:I assume this is aimed at me, and you can laugh all you want, but I'm right. I'll put my 25 years in the gym up against any bullshit exercise physiology class when it comes to getting results. And don't even get me started on these moronic 'personal trainers' who disseminate misinformation with a shovel. (Doctors and nurses aren't any better. When's the last time you saw a doctor or nurse who was in decent physical shape?)
Also, LMFAO at someone saying heart rate doesn't matter. Get thee to an exercise physiology class quickly, not some bodybuilding forum of a bunch of nuts not knowing what they're talking about.
If you're a professional or semi-professional athlete working at the edge of your physical ability, then you can worry about your heart rate zones, and cross-training and interval training. What I see every day in the gym are people who are 100 pounds overweight strapping on $200 heart rate monitors and talking about their 'cardio zone' and 'fat burning' zone. That's bullshit. Most people don't need fancy equipment or personal trainers ("Oh, you need to mix things up to keep your body guessing! I'll design your workouts and keep you motivated! And I'll only charge you $120/hour!") They need to quit eating so much and exercise to the point of breathing hard. And most of that heart rate zone crap is bullshit anyways -- there are way too many individual variations in metabolism and fitness levels. I can tell you exactly what's going on in my body when I run or stretch or lift because I know my body -- not because of what some 'expert' tells me in a book.
In my experience, 20 minutes is plenty of time to lift weights for most people -- IF you're lifting hard, using perfect form and doing the right exercises. (That 20 minutes is for work sets). Look up 'high intensity training' (HIT). I know guys (including me) who follow this sort of protocol and have excellent muscular development. But every body is different, so if you're making consistent gains lifting 30, 40 or 60 minutes, great. The only test is whether you're getting stronger. But I see guys all the time who lift and lift and lift and never get any stronger. I have to wonder why people spend so much time without getting results, yet they never seem to wonder what they're doing wrong.
But you have all this nonsense being disseminated by 'personal trainers' who tell you that you have to lift for an hour a day and change your workout every three weeks. That's all bullshit. Lift hard, use compound exercises and go home. Your muscles grow when you rest, not when you lift. Over-training can be just as big a problem as under-training. (And that goes for cardio, too. Do you really think those guys who live on a treadmill and have their bones poking through their skin are healthy???)
Most people need to get off their asses and just exercise. The 'secret' to any exercise program is consistency -- you have to make it part of your life. There is no such thing as working out for a few weeks to 'get in shape'. And diet has just as much (maybe more) impact on your life as exercise. Keep eating packaged food and all the exercise in the world ain't gonna help you.
Final thought, since you've gotten my testosterone raging: read some of the exercise studies -- not summaries in text books or Men's Health, but the real studies. You'll find two things: (1) most of them are done on college-age athletes or sedentary old people, so they have no applicability to most people; and (2) they rarely say what the books and magazines say they do. (The classic example is 'you need to do three sets of each exercise'. It's just plain not true. . . . )
Have a happy and healthy Fourth of July!
Wow. What a windbag.
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Alls I know is I've lost a noticeable amount of weight and feel more healthy overall since I got my sorry ass off the chair and started going, so it's all good.
