Yes, I am well aware. That was my point to Ravu, that Keith was edited that way.

Oh sorry. I had no idea you were addressing me. I thought you were talking about someone else. Trust me, I'm aware editing plays a huge role in things. Without evidence or proof though, distinguishing just how much makes things controversial, hence all the circular discussions, speculations, and debates between all of us




Why do you think everyone disliked Keith? He wasn't portrayed on the show as someone who is abrasive. In fact, viewers kinda liked Keith. But why didn't any of the castaways?
I am basing things based on what I have heard from Outback enthusiasts here--which I admit isn't the greatest source of credible information given that it comes from people I often disagree with like Panurge46. I was TOLD that people disliked Keith even more than the edit was shown. I actually liked Keith during Outback, but I would not be surprised if a lot of people out there didn't, given the type of game and survival stress they go out under there. Colby was clearly pissed at Keith by the end of the season, Jerri and the girls had problems with him early on, and I never saw Kucha really hanging around Keith. So, I think the idea that he was more disliked than liked is a fair assumption as any





Just because the season is edited one way doesn't mean it proves it to be right.
I agree. In this case, I have not seen any post-game interviews to really contradict the edit though, and no one has been able to provide me with any such material except for Panurge46 who had a couple blogs from Outback people. So by default, I look to the TV show edit. Even with editing though, there is only so much the producers can manipulate





To say Keith had as much power in the KTC alliance as Tina (and another thing, why would you take your own word, when you say you haven't seen/thought about Australia in a long time, over Colby?) is crazy.
First off, I wasn't going off my "own word". I have considered the perspectives of those who say they are more knowledgable about Outback too. It's not that I haven't seen or thought about Outback in a long time though. I constantly re-watch the seasons, so I think I'm more fresh on that than most people here who often just see things once or twice. At the same time, I'm not also going to simply follow the opinions of others and go against my own instincts. I have seen what people say about seasons I am VERY familiar about, and that has actually made me trust my opinions a lot more in light of the thought process of a lot of posters here. I would expect that most people trust their own opinions and instincts, so I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to do that here

Second, I never said Keith had as much power in the KTC alliance. He obviously didn't. We talked about whether he was the one come up with plans and strategy for the KTC alliance though, and that is VERY different from the concept of power, which has more to do with voting control and social positioning






Colby came out and said that there was a predetermined boot order once they reached the merge and were able to out Varner, and that Tina convinced Colby of it.
I don't doubt that at all. I'm operating under the assumption that this is what happened actually




I believe the KTC alliance is the only time in Survivor history where a male (Keith) rode a female alliance mastermind's (Tina's) coattails to the end.
It wouldn't be the first time, and riding "coattails" is an amorphous and largely useless concept to begin with. In any case, without some sort of evidentiary support, I'm pretty much forced to not really believe that is the case. I have a TV edit that indicates the complete opposite, and at best the opinions of people who weren't around to see her gameplay (Mike and Varner I think were the testimonies I read) or the assertions of posters whose viewpoints I question





Vecepia went with the flow after Rotu was eliminated, Jenna was in an all female alliance half the time then let Rob do the work, Sandra rode the flow of Pearl Islands chaos, Amber was clearly Rob's puppet, Danni was an underdog who won immunities at the right time, Katie, Danielle, Becky, and Cassandra weren't masterminds of anything.
Again, the idea of a "mastermind" is pretty stupid to me. No 1 individual is ever completely in control of anything in the game of Survivor. If they are, it means their cast was full of imbeciles. At best, you can come up with long-term plans that work out, or complicated alliance structures that control the flow of the game, but at the end of the day, a mastermind NEEDS good luck to implement said strategies by definition. Also, each and every player's individual choices impact the game in some fashion, and no "mastermind" can control that. No one has mental mind-controlling powers or techniques, and this is especially true for those in which "masterminds" have no contact with certain individuals (like people in the opposite tribe). It's an interdependent game, so all the winners have gotten lucky and needed certain things to fall into place for them. They all needed "help" along the way and had to ride somebody's coattails at some point. The idea of a "mastermind" is the usual bias that tends to reinterpret history in favor of the winners much like how "history" often focuses on the stories of those who succeeded and survived versus those of the "losers" whose significance is equally valid and influential in shaping historical events




Keith's strategizing ended in episode 3 when he chose to hold on to Tina for dear life. It came clear to all the other castaways, as none of them liked Keith very much.
Again, I'm with you on this. I don't think his strategizing ended in episode 3 though. He was strategizing in the edit basically the whole game. Effective strategizing and actual game control of course is different, but he was clearly involved and thinking of the game