It's interesting how they've been editing Monica. Not a terrible edit on paper, but on the show it comes off horrific. I wonder why they chose her to be the one consistent female this season?
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I'm going to officially throw my hat in the Natalie ring for the tally. Just to give everyone an even 4. ;)
It's interesting how they've been editing Monica. Not a terrible edit on paper, but on the show it comes off horrific. I wonder why they chose her to be the one consistent female this season? |
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Archibald C wrote: Probably because they need to give a female (no, Shambo has the hint of a penis, she doesn't count) some sort of visibility. It certainly isn't Natalie. |
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McPhever224 wrote: Jaison's main Edgic problems are multiple "quitting / I wish I wasn't here" comments plus his possible/probable redemption edit. Mick's main Edgic problems are his weak merge edit and his boring bland edit so far. Natalie has many Edgic problems. Starting off with UTR1, INV, UTR2 edits is PATHETIC. Especially when her tribe went to TC each episode. And starting off with UTR1, UTR1, UTR2 edits is just as pathetic. From Warrior's chart, Natalie started with vis factors of 6 and 1 in her first two episodes. She finally got one TCQ in episode three but did not receive her first confessional until episode FOUR. And Five of Natalie's first Seven episode ratings were UTR. EvilRuss also has many Edgic problems. He's TOO Negative. And his visibility is LIGHT YEARS above everyone else combined. This season has been edited as The EvilRussell Show. Deservedly so ? Not at this point of the season. All we have is some needless pranks, some dumb Katrina lies and some repetitive confessionals about how awesome he is and how dumb everyone else is. So the story will be the same as the story in Guatemala. Why EvilRussell Loses Samoa. He could lose out mid-jury. He could lose out just before FTC. He could get roasted at FTC. Who can beat him ? Jaison. Mick. Natalie. Monica. Shambo. Laura. Dave ..... |
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getting real |
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Well, I'm majoring in English so I'm not too offended
Well, if you're maajoring in English, you should be offended, lol. I'm also a bitch of an editor, so I know how we can get flamed for correcting others. I will spare you. >:) Thank you. I don't expect any further sparing so I'm celebrating your beneficence in a manner befitting its rarity. Ick, 3 times my age? So you're almost 60!? Ick, indeed. Guilty as charged. What do you mean obvious potential :) ? *holds for flattery* I meant it. Just don't let that emotional cloud of pique enshroud it to the point where CP becomes OTTWTFNNN. |
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OO wrOOte:
OO, you're one of the more serious Keepers of Orthodoxy in this thread. Could you please point out the Edgic guideline to which this problem refers? You would really be doing this old man's failing eyesight a huge favor because I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking for it and can't find it.
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wah wah wah I want to go home = undershades of OTTTNNNNNNNNNNN = Fail
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I picked Mick a long time ago, after Betsy got the boot. I haven't seen anyone rise to anything approaching edgic guidelines/rules/casting of lots/goat
entrails/tea leaves to change my mind, with the exception of Jaison.
And the one thing that has me worried isn't Mick's rating, or Jaison's. It's the analysis done by RedWing a few pages back. This is a truly oddball season edit, far more than the "why Stephenie lost" sort of edit we've looked at and tried to interpret as a Type 2 edit or winner. This season is a freakazoid in the history of the show. Nothing wrong, with that, keeps us on our toes and all. But it sure has made a bunch of us leery about edgic. But last time I looked this was still Edgic, so my pick hasn't changed. Oh, and anyone who's trying to go back in history and suggest that Chris had an INV in S9 is engaging in revisionist crap to justify their own non-edgic based pick here. |
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Oowatanite |
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Time to count up everyone's winner picks.
EvilRuss - Astro, augustus, BLA, Runiger Mick - Blake, OTH, unduli, wallduck, scepticA, Natalie - gr, McPhever, CO, Arch, Jaison - Kitty, Katy, Phoenix, cr, Monica - Shambo - Anyone else wishing to state their winner pick, please do so in this thread, and I will add them to the tally. |
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I think Phoenix has said she's with Russell.
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It has been years since I last posted and am typing with one finger...sleeping baby in other arm, so sorry if short and to the point.
I've kept Jaison as one of my edgic picks. So many folk eliminated him because he was complaining too much about the conditions and that bothered them, and I admit that it bothered me too. However, when he was having his discussion with ERuss in the water and coming out, he asked Russ if this was the "man test?" (meaning the crappy weather etc.) and the answer was "yes". I was relieved when I saw this and sighed out-loud at the time. I took it as he figured out how to let his mind over take the matter, and I think that was the last time we saw Jaison complain. He is planning on passing the man-test, not failing. Did anyone else notice this? A possible benefit to having the edit this way, is to show how stupid the strategy is to sabotoge your tribemates, and the irony of the one you sabotage by burning his socks (so we hear him complain about his feet) wins. We know some about Jaison's life, which can't be said about many of the other survivors. Yes, he we are shown that he is playing an emotional game at least part of the time; however, he is getting his way and coming out heroic each time against Ben and Eric. The edgic ratings are there for Jaison, and now even better than Mick's...it was only the content of Jaison over a couple of episodes that seemed to have created hesitation. I agree that a pick based on edgic guidelines is appropriate in this thread. Only if and when an unconventional winner comes about should there be a discussion about changing the guidelines or noting exceptions. Cheers
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Nice posts scepticA. I always love reading your far too infrequent analysis because it's so utterly simplistic and devoid of superfluity that we so often concoct to cloud our judgment. And you picked Mick. |
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Gonna go ahead and pick Russell. I don't feel that his negativity (which I feel some have overstated ever so
slightly) and visibility are such huge drawbacks as compared to Mick's, who'd be my second pick if we were making them but we're not because
it's the merge and we have to put our forum posting reputations (for this season) on the line!! It is important!!!
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It's looking like Jaison is going next based on editing.
So i guess I'll go with Monica (It wouldn't hurt since some people picked Natalie) Her Problems: *Vis 1 Ep 1 (Didn't Amber get a Vis1 Ep1??) *The N's *Character development (reconsidering since it's the Russell show) She WILL PROBABLY lose, but hey i made my pick = - )
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Looks like there's gonna be no clear majority for a consensus edgic winner this season. No surprise there. But if the tally being kept by Oo et al. is
gonna be "official," will someone with, say 24% of the vote be the official choice, especially if votes count from people who contribute bascially
zippo to edgic?
Even though I don't vote on the vote website, maybe the consensus there should be the edgic choice. Yeah, it will leave me out, but I care not a whit. I do care a little more that people who rarely if ever post here just pop up and say they're for Monica or whomever. Hey, everyone can come and post with their winner pick, but if we're going to have edgic crash and burn let's let those folks who bother to vote every week have the right to select an official choice. If there is such a thing. Right now, with the votes basically evenly split among 3 or 4 players, edgic really hasn't selected anyone, has it? |
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The official choice is made on the voting site, but that's kept anon and only experienced Edgicers get to vote there (no idea why you don't vote,
scep!). Oo is tabulating a list of everyone's picks (including non-voters, but not spoiler readers) so we can see where everybody stands and how it holds
up till the end of the season.
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chapera rocks |
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Oh, and anyone who's trying to go back in history and suggest that Chris had an INV in S9 is engaging in revisionist crap to justify their own non-edgic based pick here.No. I posted that, and I do believe Chris was INV1 in episode 5. And my edgic pick is one that is viable. So please don't speak for me. If you're so adamant that Chris had no INV1's, please explain. Episode 5: Why? TWILA had a segment about how she could relate to the men better. Chris had a VERY quick shot of him laughing, and talking off screen about having a similar job to Twila. Couldn't have been more than 5 seconds. |
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chapera, you remembered Chris. That is sufficient. He spoke. That was sufficient for me.
To me that was always a key to whether a person was INV or not - did I remember their contribution to the edit? A lot of the revisionist INVs have apparently sprung up because of the plethora of INVs this year that seem to interfere with some people's winner wishes. I do understand the unease that some have towards the borderline INV/UTR for a player with a super-solid edit. Yul was an example. Not for a minute did I think he was INV, because not only did he speak, it was captioned. The editors wanted us to use 2 senses to be sure we knew Yul spoke! Others were the kiss of death. Rafe's INV was so clear-cut that I immediately removed him from the potential winner's list. Of course, I picked Steph - LOL... I've never had any real problems with the past consensus INV vs. UTR tatings. You apparently do, and have a different metric for what constitutes an INV. Different strokes, I guess. At least you're trying to use edgic standards for your pick. That's a lot more than some folks here. Blake, I don't take notes any more and (at least this year) had a hell of a time remembering with Galu male was which until just a few episodes ago - yet another example of the suckitude of the edit - but do comment in the thread about the standout ratings in just about every episode. Besides, I'd probably forget over half the time. Struggling over whether someone was UTR2 or MOR2 was something I enjoyed 9 or 10 seasons ago. There's tons o' new blood who revel in such discussions. Passing the torch and all that... |
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Some very good posts here, minus the arguments of course.
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As Chris is my favorite player and Vanuatu my favorite season, I've got it here. Episode 5, Earthquakes and Shake Ups.
During the challenge Chris loses the marker. Two comments on it by Probst. At the end of the challenge Chris wins it and is given the winning "And I got it!" line to get credit for coming back and giving Lopevi the Pringles reward. As opposed to Ami failing to get the last marker, Chris recovered for the win, same as episode 1. Enjoying reward, he gets two lines with Twila, then SPV from her about working for highway transportation and clicking with her. Enjoys the waterfall with Julie. Most notable, Bubba saying, "Chris...think about the merge," specially edited to make it appear Bubba said it out loud. After the IC, Ami mentions Chris by name while talking about Bubba's signal. Mentions Chris again by name while talking to Scout. Bubba then says he was trying to communicate "with Chris" again mentioning him by name. At TC, Ami again mentions Chris by name is mentioning Bubba's signal. That's enough for an UTR. SPV by 3 different characters 6 different times. Michael |
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