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Monday, November 9th has importance...
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Posts: 15705 (11/08/09 8:31 PM) Registered user |
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Antithesys |
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Posts: 25590 (11/08/09 9:18 PM) Gadabout |
Now that we've circumvented Gringo's inane guessing game, I'll say that I was reading about this last night and was wondering what it was like to
travel between West Berlin and West Germany. The wiki page on the subject is very poorly written. What I gather is that the GDR liked to harass everyone and
generally keep everyone in the city because they didn't recognize it as sovereign, and the only way you could be assured of getting in and out was by air.
It's actually kind of surprising to me that they kept up the bargain of "free" traffic; had they realized what a hassle keeping the exclave would
turn out to be, the Soviets probably would have just marched right in instead of blockading in the 40s.
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Mrpoopypants |
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Posts: 4515 (11/08/09 9:30 PM) |
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quietsurvivorfan |
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Posts: 17979 (11/08/09 11:54 PM) Registered user |
I toured Berlin in 1996, lots of the wall was still standing then. The coolest thing I remember from Berlin was in the East Berlin side. It was as is time
stood still in the 60's. Most of the buildings were much older. They had the old government buildings in their sector. They had not repaired the bullet
holes and mortor shell scars on the buildings. That, to me, was the most interesting part of the visit. You could just imagine what it must have been like
during the war before the germans finally surrendered.
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maadx |
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Posts: 5376 (11/09/09 12:38 AM) Registered user |
soooooooooo
who won? |
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Mrpoopypants |
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Posts: 4516 (11/09/09 12:41 AM) |
German Girls :)
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scottfreek |
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Posts: 2826 (11/09/09 1:10 AM) Registered User |
I think ZoLi's been drinking too much StoLi. (unless he meant to post what happened on Nov 6 in this date in hysteria) 'cause I noticed his list showed neither a) the fall o' the wall or b) Kristallnacht (the reason Germany won't declare Nov 9 as an official holiday) and the under 20 there was a wall that falled? what's that about Krystal Light? |
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Vegazguy |
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Posts: 21385 (11/09/09 1:34 AM) 10 per day, bitches! |
the great power blackout?
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 29714 (11/09/09 1:41 AM) MESS member |
I went to Berlin in the early 1960s - you either went by air or by train. All curtains on the train had to be tightly shut whilst traversing East Germany.
However, being the inquisitive child I was then, I peeked out at night (I think the train only ran at night, but I could be wrong here) and the RR station I
saw was crawling with East German guards/soldiers.
Bus tours were offered into East Berlin, so my parents took us on one. We went through Checkpoint Charlie (lots of barbwire as I remember it) and went around a few streets in East Berlin. The buildings on those streets were fairly newish, but if you looked quickly down the cross streets, things weren't in quite as good a shape. Taking pictures of guards/soldiers was forbidden. The weirdest sight, was the Brandenburg Gate - it was a huge empty plaza with absolutely no people on it - I seem to remember that it was mutually claimed territory with the walls preventing access for anyone. I was living in Germany when the Berlin Wall went up, and when Kennedy visited the country. Needless to say, the frequency of duck and cover drills was up during that time. And a lot more planes were deployed from the airbase I lived at. |
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TequilaVaquero |
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Posts: 4787 (11/09/09 1:45 AM) Registered User |
APG wrote: Who wants to start a Happy Birthday 'Nilla thread??? |
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Antithesys |
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Posts: 25592 (11/09/09 1:45 AM) Gadabout |
and the under 20 kraut crowd sez: About one generation lived with it and now almost one generation has lived after it. The Simpsons, the longest running show in prime time, premiered six weeks after it came down. Just think of the Twitters and iReports we missed out on because technology hadn't made it that far yet. |
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 29715 (11/09/09 1:49 AM) MESS member |
fear of terrorists is no where near the fear of communists during the cold war period
the duck and cover drills, backyard bomb shelters, weekly siren testing (to warn us the bombs were coming), etc. were common during my childhood |
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Antithesys |
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Posts: 25593 (11/09/09 2:03 AM) Gadabout |
I'm fascinated by everything about nuclear war and Cold War strategy. I'm jealous that I never got to do duck-and-cover
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 29717 (11/09/09 2:22 AM) MESS member |
all the little boys used to love it 'cause all the girls in their skirts had to go into the same position (kneeling, with the hands over the top of the
head under the desks with our rears up in the air) and they could often get some good views
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El Bingo Gringo |
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Posts: 3907 (11/09/09 6:07 AM) Registered User |
pffffft
"inane" says the OT admin 
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WiscBadger95 |
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Posts: 15708 (11/09/09 2:13 PM) Registered user |
The thing to remember is the wall didn't literally "fall" on 9 Nov 1989. What happened was the East Germans (the USSR, actually, since they were
pulling the puppet-strings of the East German gov't.), finally decided that it was futile to prevent East German citizens from escaping to the west.
East Germans had been getting out for several weeks, first via Hungary, and then Czechoslovakia. In the days leading up to 9 Nov some estimates say that as many as a million people gathered at the crossing points into West Berlin, chanting, "Wir wollen raus!" ("We want out!") The only option the East Germans (read, the Soviets) would have had was to use deadly force to drive the protesters away, and by this point in time, that was the last thing they wanted the world to see. So, with no other choice, they opened the gates and let people pass out of and into East Germany freely ... and to dance on top of the wall. Over the next several weeks, the wall would begin to be literally torn down. |
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El Bingo Gringo |
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Posts: 3908 (11/09/09 4:07 PM) Registered User |
points to wisc, qsf, and CBR
the fall of the wall deserves kudos tho I was thinking birthday of a notable |
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GoodNeighborgirl |
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Posts: 20406 (11/09/09 4:19 PM) Fatty McBadmom |
It's Chris Jericho's birthday!!!
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Vegazguy |
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Posts: 21391 (11/09/09 4:22 PM) 10 per day, bitches! |
omc i was going to say the wall but i didn't.
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managerr |
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Posts: 16143 (11/09/09 4:50 PM) Registered user |
tho I was thinking birthday of a notable 1996 Cheyenne Pyle, California, youngest heart transplant patient, 90 minutes old 1984 Delta Goodrem, Australian Actress 1977 Patricia Campbell, Pennsylvania, Miss Teen USA, 1996-2nd place 1976 Laura Csortan, Miss Universe-Congeniality, Australia, 1997 1974 Dah-ve Chodan, actress, Tia-Uncle Buck 1974 Traci Toguchi, born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Miss America-Hawaii 1996 1974 Alessandro Del Piero, Italian Athlete 1973 Fred Lindberg, Australian baseball pitcher 1996 Olympics 1973 Nick Lachey, American Musician 1972 Laxmi Poruri, Guntur India, tennis star, 1994 Futures-College Park 1972 Mark Fields, NFL linebacker for the New Orleans Saints 1972 Ron Rice, NFL cornerback and safety, Detroit Lions 1972 Victoria Keil, Miss Universe-Cook Islands 1996 1971 David Robert Duval, born in Jacksonville, Florida, PGA golfer, 1995 Bob Hope 1971 Jimmy Hitchcock, NFL cornerback for the New England Patriots 1971 Michael Barber, NFL linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks 1971 Steve Rhem, NFL wide receiver for the New Orleans Saints 1971 Big Punisher, also known as Big Pun and Christopher Rios, American Musician 1970 Bill Guerin, Wilbraham, Massachusetts, NHL right wing, New Jersey Devils, Oilers 1970 Chad Ogea, Lake Charles, Louisiana, pitcher, Cleveland Indians 1970 Chantal Brunner, Wellington, New Zealand, long jumper 1996 Olympics 1970 Melanie Roche, Australian softball pitcher 1996 Olympics bronze 1969 Angel Miranda, Arecieo Puerto Rico, pitcher for the Milwaukee Brewers 1969 Pepa, rocker, Salt 'n' Pepa-Shake Ya Thang 1968 David Jones, WLAF tight end for the Amsterdam Admirals 1968 Jeff Brady, NFL linebacker for the Minnesota Vikings 1967 Scott Bianco, Kamloops BC, 90 kg freestyle wrestler 1996 Olympics 1966 Stefen Edberg, Sweden, tennis star 1966 Virgil Robertson, CFL defensive end for the BC Lions 1965 Todd Gill, Cardinal, NHL defenseman for the Toronto Maple Leafs 1965 Bryn Terfel, Welsh Musician 1964 John Joseph Thomas, Arcadia California, actor, Young Dan'l Boone 1964 Leah Pells, Vancouver BC, 1.5k runner 1996 Olympics 1963 Anthony Bowie, NBA guard, New York Knicks, Orlando Magic 1961 Jill Dando, British Journalist 1959 Karin Mundinger, born in Toronto, Canada, LPGA golfer, 1985 Singapore Open-2nd 1959 Tony Phillips, born in Atlanta, Georgia, outfielder, Chicago White Sox 1954 Dennis Stratton, born in London, England, rock guitarist, Iron Maiden 1952 Sherrod Brown, born in Mansfield, Ohio, Representative-D-Ohio 1993 - 2007, Senator-D-Ohio 2007 - 1951 Hetty de Boer-Jongkind, founder, Vakvereniging Medical Astrology 1951 Lou Ferrigno, born in Brooklyn, New York, body builder/actor, Incredible Hulk 1948 Alan Gratzer, Syracuse, New York, rock drummer, Reo Speedwagon 1948 Bille August, director, Best Intentions, Twist and Shout 1948 Sharon Stouder, U.S., 100m butterfly swimmer 1964 Olympic gold 1945 Roger Lee Jones, West Virginia, child molester, FBI Most Wanted List 1944 Bill Hendon, born in Asheville, North Carolina, Representative-R-North Carolina 1981 - 1983 and 1985 - 1987 1944 Phil May, born in Wortley, England, artist, caricaturist, drawings published in The Bulletin, St. Stephens Review, The Graphic, regular staff member of Punch 1943 John Shepherd, cricketer, WI all-rounder 1969-71, later in South Africa 1943 Lee Graziano, born in Chicago, Illinois, rock drummer, American Breed 1942 Stuart Lipton, English real estate developer/multi-millionaire 1942 Thomas Daniel Weiskopf, Massillon, Ohio, PGA golfer, British Open 1973 1942 Jack Carroll, Canadian Politician 1941 Tom Fogerty, Berkeley Cal, rocker, Creedence Clearwater Revival 1940 Sergio Cervetti, composer 1937 Roger McCough, British poet 1937 Roger McGough, British Poet 1936 Bob Graham, Sen-D Florida 1936 Mary Travers, born in Louisville, Kentucky, folk singer, Peter Paul and Mary 1935 Bob Gibson, Cardinal pitcher, Cy Young/NL MVP 1968 1934 Carl Sagan, Brooklyn, astronomer/author/professor, Cosmos, Broca's Brain 1934 Ingvar Carlsson, Prime Minister of Sweden, 1986 - 1991, 1994 - 1996 1934 Ronald Harwood, Horwitz, South African playwright, Dresser 1932 Carl Perkins, singer, Blue Suede Shoes 1932 Marian Christy, Ridgefield, Connecticut, author, Invasions of Privacy 1931 Tommy Greenhough, cricketer, English leg-spinner in 4 Tests 1959-60 1931 Whitey Herzog, baseball manager for the St. Louis Cardinals 1930 Charlie Jones, Ft. Smith, Arkansas, sportscaster, Almost Anything Goes 1929 Alexandra Nikolayevna Pakhmutova, composer 1929 Severn Darden, actor, Luv, President's Analyst, Saturday the 14th 1928 Anne Sexton, Newton Massachusetts, poet, Live or Die; Pulitzer 1967 1928 Wim Bosboom, Dutch radio/TV host 1927 Carel W. H. Boshoff, South African head, Broederbond/Volkswag 1926 Hugh Leonard, born in Dublin, Ireland, writer, winner, Jacob's Award, for 'Wuthering Heights', wrote Sunday Independent column 'The Curmudgeon' 1924 Robert Frank, Swiss Photographer 1924 Joy Page, American Actress 1923 Alice [Davis] Coachman, born in Albany, Georgia, high jumper, Gold Medal 1948 Olympics 1923 Dorothy Dandridge, born in Cleveland, Ohio, actress/singer/dancer, Porgy and Bess 1921 Ivo Rudolph Jarosy, film scholar/exhibitor 1921 Silvio O. Conte, born in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, Representative-R-Massachusetts 1959 - 1991 1921 Viktor Chukarin, U.S.S.R., gymnast, Gold Medals 1952, 1956 Olympics 1918 Florence Chadwick, born in San Diego, California, swimmer, Hall of Fame 1970 1918 Howard Shanet, born in Brooklyn, New York, conductor, Night of the Tropics 1918 Spiro Theodore Agnew, R, 39th Vice President, 1968-75, crook 1918 Spiro T. Agnew, American Politician 1915 Sargent Shriver, Maryland, Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, 1972, directed Peace Corp 1914 Colin Gray, born in Christchurch, New Zealand, fighter ace in World War II, recipient of the Distinguished Service Award, fought Battle of France, Battle of Britain, Channel Front 1913 Hedy Lamarr, born in Vienna, Austria, actress, Ecstacy, Samson and Delilah 1913 Thelma Hulbert, English painter, Le Sacre du Printemps 1911 Harriet Freezer, Dutch journalist/author 1910 Carroll Quigley, American Writer 1909 Hendrik van Randwijk, Dutch author/founder, Vrij Netherland 1909 Robert Douglas, Finlayson, Bletchley England, actor, Adv of Don Juan 1908 Kay Thompson, American Author 1907 Burrill Phillips, Omaha Nebraska, composer, Play Ball 1907 Louis Ferdinand of Prussia, prince 1906 Arthur Rudolph, rocket engineer 1905 Erika Mann, German/US author, Other Germany, daughter of Thomas Mann 1903 Leon-Etienne Duval, archbishop/Cardinal 1902 Anthony Asquith, British director, Carrington V C, Court martial, 1901 John Norrie McArthur, malariologist/microscopist 1898 Owen Barfield, philosopher of language 1897 Ronald G. 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Norrish, British chemist, Nobel 1967 1895 Mae Marsh, Madrid, New Mexico, silent film actress, Birth of a Nation 1892 Erich Auerbach, born in Berlin, Germany, German writer and educator 1891 Clifton Webb, Webb Parmelee Hollenbeck, Indianapolis, actor, Laura 1889 Snub Pollard, Melbourne Australi, actor, Don't Shove, Arizona Days 1888 Jean Monnet, French economist/EG-pioneer/chairman, EGKS 1887 Gertrude Astor, Lakewood, Ohio, actress, Carnival Lady 1887 Muriel Aked, Bingley England actress, Happiest Days of Your Life 1886 Ed Wynn, Isaiah Edwin Leopold, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, comedian, Ed Wynn Show 1885 Hermann Weyl, German Mathematician 1884 Hector Abbas, actor and director, Rosa Lynd Company 1883 Edna May Oliver, Nutter, Malden, Massachusetts, actress, Little Women 1882 Joe Hardstaff Sr, cricketer, "Hotstuff" in 1907-08 MCC tour of Australia 1880 Rudolph Karel, composer 1877 Allama Iqbal, Pakistani poet/philosopher 1877 Jesus Castillo, composer 1877 Sergei U.S. Aleksi, patriarch of Russian-orthodox church 1871 Florence Sabin, scientist/1st woman to graduate from Johns Hopkins 1869 Marie Dressler, Leila M Koerber, Ontario, actress, Caught Short 1868 Andrea d' Angeli, composer 1868 Emmanuel K de Bom, Flemish author, Wrakken 1854 Joseph Miroslav Weber, composer 1850 Lewis Lewin, Germany, toxicologist/father of psychopharmacologist 1841 Edward VII, king of England, 1901 - 1910 1837 Alfred Holmes, composer 1837 Gerrit Jan van Heek, textile factory/politician 1835 Davorin Jenko, composer 1835 Emile Gaboriau, author, father of French detective novels 1835 Jean-Theodore Radoux, composer 1825 Ambrose Powell Hill, Lieutenant General, Confederate 3rd Army Corp 1823 William Henry Forney, Brigadier General Confederate Army 1821 Jean-Baptiste Theodore Weckerlin, composer 1820 Matthias de Vries, Dutch linguist, spelling 1818 Ivan Turgenev, Russia, novelist/poet/playwright, Fathers and Sons, 1817 Edward Richard Sprigg Canby, Major General Union volunteers 1812 Paul Abadie, French master builder, renovated Notre Dame 1810 Thomas Bragg, Attorney General, Confederacy 1809 Albert Taylor Bledsoe, Assistant Secretary War, Confederacy 1802 Elijah P Lovejoy, American newspaper publisher/abolitionist 1795 Walter Geikie, Scottish painter 1760 Henri-Philippe Gerard, composer 1732 Julie de Lespinasse, French Author 1731 Benjamin Banneker, Ellicott, Maryland, black mathematician/surveyor, Washington D.C. 1721 Mark Akenside, English Poet 1710 Reynier de Klerk, governor-general of Dutch-Indies, baptized 1697 Claudio Casciolini, composer 1664 Johannes Speth, composer 1656 Paul Aler, French jesuit/poet, Gradus ad Parnassum 1541 Menso Alting, Dutch reformed vicar/theologist 1414 Albrecht III Achilles, elector of Brandenburg |
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