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astroline |
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Not me. I voted for Russell H.
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cantthinkofaname |
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BlakeB717 wrote:and Mick |
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SFC |
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I voted for Natalie as #2 this week, but not this week. And I didnt vote for her #1 either |
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BlakeB717 |
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I just wanted to point out that last Edgic season we were 47 pages further into this thread by this time. That's horrible--especially since we have 4 extra
people in the cast!
Really, editors, c'mon... make this fun for us., |
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augustus713 |
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Fess up, who voted for Natalie? There was only 1 slot.
And seriously, N tone for Russell this episode? Come on, people. Don't vote N just because it's Russell, he was decidedly neutral this week. |
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fat little fingers |
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I missed rating and voting this week. :(P
Will still try to get my ratings/thoughts up. |
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Oowatanite |
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^ ^ ^ ^
Nice deflection try, flf. Guys, I think we've found our stray winner vote for Natalie. |
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astroline |
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getting real |
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astroline wrote:Must have been the second date Blake alluded to... |
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getting real |
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-Who voted for Natalie? I 'fess up. I voted for Natalie. And here's my case for her: As outlined a few episodes ago, she came onto my radar when I re-watched the first episode and found the scene with Betsy warning her not to trust Russell jumping out at me. It is a heavily manipulated scene and the concept of women's intuition being transferred from an eliminated player to someone else appealed to me. Subsequently, she has bee shown to be one of the very few people not named Russell to have articulated a strategy, not only for getting to the end, but for winning. Moreover, her strategy nicely counters Russell's initial scornful attitude towards her - an attitude interestingly shown to be softening somewhat in the last episode. Natalie's chat with Laura, and the special care taken to show the common ground between them, is one of the few instances where the editors have bothered to create connections and threads to FTC questioning. That is Mick's problem and the problem of anyone other than Russell and Shambo. The scene with Laura brings to mind Danni's birthday party where, rather gratuitously, connections were seen to be made with the opposing tribe. What is more, Natalie received negative SPV for that connection-building from a negative-tending Liz, whose immediate boot provides a nice editing imprimatur of Natalie's actions. Mick obviously has solid Edgic numbers but his edit lacks 'meat'. It's not so much that he is boring. It's just that he has no ties to the FTC, no scenes which could be re-visited with a pay-off that would be satisfactory for the audience. Russell and Shambo's edits obviously have substance; however, they are burdened with the problem of unrelenting visibility. Even to the extent of dominating the previouslys and the next times. In my view, a win to either of them would be a greater setback to Edgic theory than even a win by the invisibles. There is simply no good editing reason to showcase a winner in that way, to eschew even a modicum of cooling-down in favor of trumpeting their names at every twist and turn. The evidence is that this is a season of how Russell and, to a lesser extent, Shambo lose. Natalie is the best fit of all the others. |
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Joss Wolfe |
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If Natalie wins why has she been the most neglected person on Foa Foa and the third most neglected person in the game? She is obviously playing the game with some of her comments, she has a winning attitude, and she is extremely likable, why dont we get any meat from her? Why dont we ever see her shine? Yes betsy made a comment about Women's intuition, yet from what we can tell by watching the show, she is Russle's most loyal drone! But the funny thing is, now that I think about it, we sure do know alot about her for not ever seeing her. |
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augustus713 wrote:I agree, I only watched the episode once, but thought that if anything there were more P moments for Russell then N ones, he should have gotten a M this week probably. I forget if I mentioned it earlier, but Russell is sort of starting to become the guy on Foa Foa to cheer for (since Jaison is N, and Natalie & Mick are bland neutrals), but gradually, right now he's gone from just a guy we were met to hate, to the voice of reason who's a more Mixed make up your mind tone. If he keeps this up he could enter net P territory, I actually wouldn't be that surprised if he did next episode, if the editors show him doing almost all the work at getting Foa Foa the votes at TC.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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getting real wrote
Mick obviously has solid Edgic numbers but his edit lacks 'meat'. It's not so much that he is boring. It's just that he has no ties to the FTC, no scenes which could be re-visited with a pay-off that would be satisfactory for the audience. As a staunch defender of the need to consider FTC, I will say, if this becomes a "f u Russell" FTC, then Mick wins a la Bob, someone who was there and lasted when others made moves. I remember picking Yul with the concern of the same lack of "meat" to his edit. By merge time, there was little about him. I don't like people picking Mick based on a shot of him glancing at someone else. (Hi, Amanda Kimmel.) But the story has time to appear. If FTC is about Russell being Dreamz and Shambo being Cassandra, which is kinda what I see overall, Mick is Earl. It's about the suspense of getting to FTC, no FTC itself. Just thinking. I appreciate you defending your pick, though. Michael |
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CLOSE CALLS - TONE WATCHDOG | ||
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I'm going to go ahead and make my decisions on Tone Close Calls. I'm firm on both of these this week. MDN and augustus were also correct, Russell was
as clear an M as could be, I'll respectfully disagree with the consensus on that one.
Tone Elizabeth Kim NN (0%), N (50%), neutral (21.4%) mixed (28.6%), P (0%), PP (0%)(note: 4 out of 7 neutral votes were for dynamic) - N is correct. It was a vote from avoiding a close call, 71 % saw nothing meriting P, N it is. Natalie White NN (0%), N (0%), neutral (50.0%) mixed (42.9%), P (7.1%), PP (0%)(note: 6 out of 13 neutral votes were for dynamic) - Mixed is correct. Like many, I felt the laziness is clearly meant to make her negatively tinged, working with Laura (opposed to her tribemates) is clearly meant to be positively tinged. Mixed is the proper call. The Mixed + P was 50%, and you were certainly supposed to start thinking about Natalie this episode, neutral is the wrong call. Michael PS my opinion on Jaison's rating is OTT - I don't get the CP vote, and he was just a one note throwaway to be a target Russell had to consider. He was one dimensional at best. (What's worse, 1/2 dimensional?)
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getting real wrote:just a quick comment with regards to this.... (BTW i love your reasoning GR.... I agree...Russell and Shambo just seem too big, and Mick just seems like he's there, flat) One thing i noticed while doing the stats, was Natalie's INV episode (not unanimously) - epsiode 2 Betsy's boot episode I remember actually thinking - "weird.... for the sheer volume of screen time Foa Foa got, Natalie was soooo hidden." EVERY member of Foa Foa had a 4 or more, except Mike (OTT3, went home) and Natalie. Considering the positiveness of Betsy, and the wrongness of her being voted out, i always felt like there was something deliberate about this episode, and specifically for hiding Natalie. In some ways.... it's like the whole "dog doesn't bark" theory from Outback. I haven't rewatched Episode 2 since the week it aired, and i am only going from memory and a few notes i made at the time, but this episode has not ever sat well with me. Several voters did vote Natalie as UTR1... myself, for the few rating i managed to do at that time, i had her as a UTR1. I don't have a clue who wins, but i feel very strongly that this season is "why X loses"... which really leaves us with 2 people as X - Russell & Shambo. Russell feels like he could be an end-gamer.... but his vis numbers just scare the daylights out of me, he feels like he has distraction written all over him.. Shambo... i think her big edit thus far has been leading up to her leadership role. Her tone is too erratic to win. No winner has ever popped up and down the tone scale like she has. So that leaves me with looking at the others. No one has a good edit.... some are too negative, some are too flat and some i just don't know (like Kelly... don't know anything about her)John - interesting E1 scene, but has some tone issues and vis issues and i feel like while he has been thrown some INVs that were not warranted, this last episode was definite INV. Monica... She was a good possibility for a while, but i feel like she is lacking in end game connections, especially after the GaluGuys elected Shambo. Mick? while is ratings are good... he is just so darn flat and unmemorable. That and he is a Taurus.... no Taurus has ever won, the closest ever was the 2/3 position by Cassandra in Fiji (I know... it's a bit flaky, but so far it has held true). Natalie? don't know, but she does have a lot of connections to the jury that others don't have. Is she an end-gamer....sure feels like it. Does she win? Don't know. I feel like the others are not making it to the end ... sorry, blathering on and i need to crash.... BTW. fixed the ratings... Sorry I was making plans for my second date at the time... (insert snide comments &/or teasing remarks here everyone) eta: definitely time for bed... can't spell
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craig |
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N for Russell? N for Shambo? No P support for Natalie? Monica getting some N votes?
Edgic really hates the cast this season. Liz better be N too for the sake of consistency. She was clearly the most N person on Foa Foa. |
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Natalie is a real contender for me.....I think the editors are just misleading us with Russell/Shambo's visibilities.....
And they want to shock us in the end (though I really would not be that shocked...). Natalie has the current best social game. |
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unduli clone |
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Someone voted for Nat and someone voted for Russ. Weird. It also skews Mick's record of 95% +! horrible. Close Calls Jaison - OTT I neglected to see anything that brought him down to MOR. He was being set up as the boot target and had plenty of SPV about being lazy, not helping, etc, etc. While it may seem more lik an N edit than an OTT one, he received little chance to defend his own actions and was defined primarily by what others said about him. =OTT Liz - N Despite being semi-likable (I think we were supposed to want Jaison to leave), she was reinforced as a person we don't care for, and especially don't care that she's leaving. She functioned mainly as the narrator of her own doom, and was overly snippy with Natalie and Laura, who I thought was edited as a sympathetic presence throughout the episode. I don't have a ridiculously strong opinion on this one, but I do think that she was edited as a negative force within this episode. =N Natalie - M I think that her one scene talking with Laura was pure delicious M. The editors were giving us negativity to Liz's edit, but it reflected on Natalie in that there was no governance over how we should have viewed her actions. I suppose a static neutral could suffice, but I felt that there was enough presentation of material to give us something to reflect upon in the department of tone. =M |
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