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chapera rocks |
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1 sentence (in the dark, mind you) and 0 confessionals seems like a solid case for INV to me...
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Hippochinfat |
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Yeah, Natalie had some weird mumbled shit in the dark I didn't understand, and I couldn't really see her, I thought it was Ashley.
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augustus713 |
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Phoenix1269 wrote:It was a clear-cut INV. Didn't do anything, didn't say anything, wasn't really even shown much. |
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cantthinkofaname |
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Why is Brett INV? RC
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unduli clone |
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Brett - INV0 Dave - MORN3 (weak N, but I think it's plausible) Erik - MOR3 John - INV0 Kelly - UTR1 Laura - MORP3 (I thought it was a weak P, but that we were supposed to see her both as aware with Russell and as on the right side of the Shambo exile deal) Monica - MOR2 (didn't see clearly presented tone) Shambo - OTTN3 (despite everything going on around her, she did not receive a single confessional) Liz - MORN4 Jaison - OTTN2 (what saved him from OTT?) Mick - UTR2 Natalie - UTRM2 (I felt that there was tone, just not strong, clearly presented tone) Russell - CPN5 *yawn* Since I've read a spoiler on one player, here are my winner/loser picks (not affected by spoilers at all): |
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McPhever224 |
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Brett - INV1
Dave - MORN3 Erik - OTT3 John - INV1 Kelly - UTRN1 - I totally agree with her comment, but it was such a bitchy comment, and it was her only confessional, so she should definitely get an N for this week. Especially if we're giving out N's the way we have been... Laura - CP3 Monica - MOR2 I thought she was more N this week than she has been in the past 2 episodes combined...still not enough to make me give her a N though. Shambo - OTTN3 (Was she N or static neutral, I gotta watch again..) Liz - MORM4 Jaison - OTTN2 Mick - MOR2 Natalie - MORM2 Russell - CPN5 (It's getting old. I still want to give him OTT's because it is becoming so one dimensional, but everything that comes out of his mouth is pretty strategic so I really can't.) Winners: 1. Mick 2. Natalie (Eliminated technically, but my "Type 2" winner.) 3. Erik/Jaison/Shambo All eliminated by crazy tone changes or INV but one of them would be the next best option. |
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astroline |
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Final ratings, thanks again to immunityidol.net for these vidcaps. This is just a tiny handful of what they post each week.
EPISODE 7 FOA FOA Jaison -- MORN3 This is his 3rd or 4th episode in a row, resigning from the game and wanting to quit. Not winning. Should have went home, he was the least helpful in the challenge and knew it. I used to like him but now he's MORN to all viewers -- blah and whiny. Liz -- MOR4 Sorry Liz. You gave it your all in the challenges and around camp but you let the guys control your fate. Tracy you are not. I didn't really see tone either way, although I wouldn't be too surprised if she does end up with an N. Mick -- UTR2 Wow, what a dynamic storyline. A superstition about immunity. His winner arc is so enriching. Not. Natalie -- UTR2 Sorry Pebbles. You're a woman so you get no confessionals or substantial editing by default. We didn't hear her strategy about why she was talking to Laura, we had to hear about it from Russell and Liz instead. We understand why though, but Natalie had no insight at all. Russell H. -- CPN5 Same old thing for the fraud. He had a million dollar quote about how much fun it'd be to play with it. Yet he's supposedly already a self-made millionaire? Oh yeah, he's not. I forgot. Nice to see his visibility is cooling down, oh wait, no it's not. But I really think now he's the winner. Mick has no personal development and very little strategy, and even boring Yul and Earl had both by this time. Russell H. would be edited exactly the same if he won. He started off as the huge villain, now he's the huge villain with occasional personal moments and even tiny hints of positivity. The viewer still realizes he's an asshole and completely in control of his tribe, but that he's an actual person now too. And before I forget... GALU Brett -- UTR1 Only because of the RC footage. Dave -- MORN3 More narrating, some negativity, although it wasn't bad, because we agree with what he says. Doesn't mean it's okay to say it though. Erik -- MOR3 He had some confessionals at the beginning about strategy and Shambo, but nothing really insightful about him. John -- INV1 He's in the middle. His recent edit reminds me of Cristina's in Cooks -- INV1/CP4/INV1, like her INV1/CPP5/INV1. Decent people, not actually that boring, but inconsequential as Survivor characters. Cristina actually got an OTTN3 also. Hmm. Kelly -- UTRM1 Yes, Mixed. I remember two things about Kelly this episode -- #1, her confessional about Shambo, which was definitely N (about the "Jag-u-wire" and Shambo bossing people around now because she can, calling her trailer trash), and #2 -- the scene on the boat above. Kelly let out a squeal of joy as that random woman showed her how to steer the boat, and I could be the only one, but this was the most display of actual P emotion I've seen in this entire season. Kelly was legitimately happy in that moment, and we got to see it, so it's P. One N moment + one P moment = M. Even if she's a 1 in visibility, it fits. Laura -- CP4 My favorite player for 8 weeks now, and she's starting to bore me. Weak CP, weak 4. Wouldn't be surprised to see her at MOR3. Monica -- MOR2 Could be CP, could be a 3. She did show some insight at least, in both confessionals. Shambo -- OTT3 She was elected as the new leader, and her first order of business was sitting herself out of the first challenge. Great leadership qualities. I was beginning to like her after last episode but now I'm not sure, and I think the viewer might agree, but I saw the N comments as rubbing off worse on Dave & Kelly than it did on Shambo herself. This was a hard rating, because she is on-the-fence N because of all the SPV, and she had no confessionals again. Her edit is getting weird. Winner's list... 1. Russell H. 2. Mick |
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goohst |
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Posts: 1342 (11/01/09 6:48 PM) |
I don't buy Brett as INV0. Not with the RC footage and Dave's outburst.
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getting real |
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We really need to have a special tone rating of S for stupid. For when a player isn't negative or positive, but are editted as fucking retarded. Shambo would get a ton of S's this season. Are we forgetting that she was chosen as her tribe's most intelligent competitor in Episode 1? And now she's been elected leader. Obviously, the editing is hiding something from us. |
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LKMOSCAR |
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This season has bizarre editing. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a tie at the final tribal council and that's why the editing is weird.
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astroline |
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So did anyone read my post and agree that they think Kelly was UTRM1?
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Riliss |
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I read your post and think you're retarded.
Also, Russell is indeed a millionaire. Of course even if you had all the facts you still couldn't produce unbiased ratings to save your anus from prolapsing. |
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astroline |
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How am I retarded? And "unbiased ratings"? I'm one of the least biased voters around here. With Laura and the CP4, I might be overreaching that,
I admit, but that's the first time I've given her any rating outside of the consensus, and I've under-rated Natalie when others have given her
MOR's in Episode 3 and now this one, I've given both UTR's. So you can think whatever you want.
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ANDand19 |
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I think that while you were watching Kelly's squeal of joy, most of the viewers were vomming at that Shambo crotch shot.
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BlakeB717 |
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How am I retarded? Pay no attention to Riliss, astro. He's just trying to rile you up and get you to post things like you just did. Just ignore 'im. |
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bryanpasa |
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Brett did say something on the challenge =o
Is it counted as sentence? |
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BigJohn043 |
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Some quick thoughts:
This could still be the story of why Mick wins. But his edit needs to wake up and quick. The next episode will be critical and if he gets a CP and is seen at being critical to the action then I think this story line still has a good chance. My guess is this isn't the case though. This coud also be the story of why Russell wins. I do think it is possible that they would edit a winner this way although his vis is way too high. It is interesting that Russell has gone from NN to N to toneless/M as the season has gone on. If Russell pulls out a P at any point then I think he probably wins. Once again though, my guess is this doesn't happen. My guess is that this is the story of why Russell loses. So in that case who wins? I actually think Mick is the best guess. He was introduced early and since he wins simply because no one votes for Russell there is no need to really develop his character. Natalie is an option. I still think she is unlikely given the was they ignored her for the first couple of episodes. I am sure they had a bunch of decent confessional stuff in the can for her and some sort of intro would have been shown if she was going to eventually win. Shambo is probably out. Maybe they would edit her as sort of a lucky dunce who stumbles into the win against the evil Russell. Seems unlikley thought. Jaison is totally out. They don't pound us over the head with the winner wanting to quit. Everyone else is out. |
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scepticA |
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I recall a few folks here stating that Jenna said she wanted to quit in S6, so maybe Jaison's meme is OK for a winner. I believe the two circumstances are
miles apart. Jaison is saying this to the camera in confessionals, day after day, as well as to at least one other player (RH). Jenna, OTOH, only said it
near the very end, when it was a choice between booting her or Heidi. The remaining guys mulled it over and decided that Jenna was so weak and whiny that
she'd be easy fodder later on, so getting rid of Heidi (the stronger of the two) would be the right choice.
Didn't quite work out that way. I was not a "fan" of Jenna in S6, but thought her "I wanna go home" stuff was well played: sheer theater, designed specifically to get the guys to do what they did - boot someone else. This is quite different from Jaison. At least some part of him means it, although I'd guess that if you actually gave him the option he'd honestly say he wants to stay. Hell - he could quit if he really wanted out. He seems like a guy who doesn't keep his thoughts buried too deeply. Can Jaison still win? Yes. But even more than Mick he has to turn his entire story arc around. Mick is the nice guy tabula rasa, so there is nothing to unlearn about what he's done already. Jaison does have back story, and the back story is not "winneresque." There are still at least 7-8 episodes left, which is more than enough time. They could %*+%+ his edit into the guy whose emotions and thoughts are close to the surface (recall his tiff with Ben), and so he's incredibly honest and forthcoming. The thing is, these sort of redemption/growth arcs are usually associated with non-winners (Kathy, Cirie come to mind.) Nevertheless. If you actually want to incorporate edgic guidelines he's surely a better prospect than the INV league. |
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BlakeB717 |
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Two things about Mick's edit that make me feel completely strong in my choice of him as a winner:
1) His opening scene. He got personalization (he's a doctor), early focus, and early SPV from people on his leadership choices (interesting that Mick has never been put down on his leadership, but was praised in the first episode). Why is this important? Look at recent editing: -JT's first confessional was about him being from the South, early focus of leading the trek, and early SPV from Stephen. -Even Bob had a first confessional about who he is (teacher, fisherman), early focus of building the camp, and early SPV from Corinne. 2) Edgically viable of a winner Combined with #1, and it only being the premerge, I have little to no concern with his edit thus far. Even in Episode 1 where we still had SOME viable contenders (more than we have now), this is why I had Mick as number 1 from the start, and this makes me feel pretty confident that Mick had an edgically excellent E1: I think right now the most significant edit went to Mick. One scene that I found particularly interesting was a clip of him "watching" during Russell H and Marisa's conversation. He didn't vote with his tribe but we didn't see that. He doesn't appear to be on the outs, but observant. Everyone praised his leadership abilities and he mentioned that he was a doctor and was able to parallel his profession to this situation he was in, and strategically placed the leadership role (which everyone was saying all episode was a death note) onto Ben. Remember when Todd did that to Aaron? Interesting to note that at the end where there were numerous scenes of Russell shaking people's hands just before the vote, Mick was not included. Russell says that Mick is in charge of the tribe, but he was pulling the strings. Mick, however, seemed fine with relenquishing his power to Ben and seemed very observant, keeping tabs on Russ' scheming. Mick: MOR3 ... I have my concerns with his edit, don't get me wrong, but out of everyone thus far I think he has the best one (and there isn't many to choose from). We learned that he was a doctor, he's good at making snap judgements as a leader (this was reinforced countless times), but he's also playing the game--letting Ben paint his own target. I think his edit was substantial but it was muffled out by UTRness in the second half, presumably to hide his reasons for voting Ashley (probably not to make him look stupid, and his conversation with Mike made him look like his vote was for the good of a tribe and not being out of the loop), and UTR + CP is MOR, but I wouldn't be opposed to CPsThe infamous Mick glace of manipulation (that I probably exaggerated way more than needed in the first week):
"I'm watching you, RussHole.." |
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Phoenix1269 |
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VOTING REMINDER
PLEASE GET YOUR VOTES IN... SOONER RATHER THAN LATER PLEASE I WILL BE PROCESSING VOTES A BIT EARLIER THAN NORMAL TONITE. (Curling... love the curling!!) Thanks BTW - thanks Blake and FLF for the good wishes.... i had a fabulous time on my date. Definitely 2nd date worthy.... |
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