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SonOfAbraxas |
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Dear God, they have missionaries? Those poor third-world country peoples.
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Flatulence Symphony |
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Don't worry. The third world countries don't have electricity to run the audit scam machines.
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Notkf59 |
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memyselfandi wrote: Who's the fusion jazz dude into them? Chick Corea? |
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The Smoking Nun |
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Yep. Chick is totally brainwashed.
From Wiki: Under the "special thanks" notes, found in all of his later albums, Corea mentions that L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, has been a continual source of inspiration. In 1968 Corea discovered Dianetics, Hubbard's principal work, and in the early 1970s developed an interest in Hubbard's science fiction novels. The two exchanged letters until Hubbard's death in 1986, and Corea even had three guest appearances on Hubbard's 1982 album Space Jazz: The Soundtrack of the Book Battlefield Earth, noting, "[Hubbard] was a great composer and keyboard player as well. He did many, many things. He was a true Renaissance Man."[2] Corea claimed that Scientology became a profound influence on his musical direction in the early 1970s:
Corea created some of his Return to Forever compositions in collaboration with Neville Potter, a friend whom he had met through Scientology. Some of the other members of Return to Forever also took Scientology courses, and the name Return to Forever itself was, in Corea's words, "definitely influenced by the Hubbard's philosophy of the spirit. [...] It sort of nailed the spiritual intent of the music, [that it should] be pure."[cite this quote] Many of his songs contain explicit references to Scientology and various works by Hubbard. For example, "What Game Shall We Play Today?" refers to the philosophical concept in Scientology that life consists of "games" in which the objective is to extract joy and satisfaction. His 2004 album To the Stars is a tone poem based on Hubbard's science fiction novel of the same name. His album The Ultimate Adventure, is also based on a Hubbard novel. In 1998 Chick Corea and fellow entertainers Anne Archer, Isaac Hayes, and Haywood Nelson attended the 30th anniversary of Freedom Magazine, the Church of Scientology's investigative news journal, at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, to honor 11 human rights activists.[9] Not all musicians he has collaborated with have been content with his views. Reportedly, Joe Farrell once told him not to "lay that Scientology shit" on him.[10] In addition, former member Al Di Meola speculates that Corea's decision to disband Return to Forever was due to Stanley Clarke's departure from Scientology.[11] Corea also appears in the Scientology film Orientation, giving a testimonial on how Scientology has helped him, and on the Scientology CD "The Joy of Creating". |
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SonOfAbraxas |
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"Tone Poem" is the most pretentious type of music composition.
UGH. I do have a CD, though, where he improvs on a Mozart piano sonata with what's-his-name "Don't Worry, Be Happy" guy ... damn, what's his name??? ACK! Oh yeah, and the Mozart improv was pretty, but now that I know he's a DIRTY SCIENTOLOGIST, I will burn that CD. Bobby McFerrin, that's the guy. Did you know he's a pretty good orchestra conductor guy? And I saw a special on PBS one time about him and some group of singers and they improv everything and it was fascinating. |
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clever trousers |
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Thanks for the membership info - it isn't unheard of for ANY church/cult/whathaveyou to inflate their numbers, and include anyone that has expressed
interest - I mean I would be that Scientology puts down as a "member" anyone who has ever taken the personality test, etc.
It certainly will be interesting to see how it all pans out, I mean, consider how Mormons were seen a hundred years ago... now they are pretty accepted in all walks of life (talking about the LDS not the FLDS which is just as secretive as Scientology if not moreso). Is there any info out there on what Scientologists think happen to people after death? I guess I was looking for a basic "set of beliefs". They don't worship a deity, correct? |
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superguppie |
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I haven't seen a lot of comments on what the French did. As much as I enjoy Scientology taking one up the butt, I am not sure I would want to live in a
country that gets to pick and choose which religions are acceptable and which are fraudulent. I mean really, if you scratch the surface, doesn't just about
any religion promise things that either can't be fulfilled or can't be proven otherwise?
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The Smoking Nun |
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SonOfAbraxas wrote:Are you sure it was McFerrin? There's a Chick Corea/Keith Jarrett Mozart duet on youtube. I'm not a modern jazz fan, but Chick is a good pianist. Scientology is evil, but I can still appreciate the artistic talent of some of the culties, in spite of the fact that they are tainted. Even though they promote/defend the cult, they are still victims of it too, especially the ones who were born into it (like Beck.) |
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SonOfAbraxas |
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yupyup
here we go - yay google! http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Sessions-Wolfgang-Amadeus/dp/B0000029R6 Song for Amadeus (Improvisation on Mozart's Sonata No. 2 in F Major, K.280/189e: II. Adagio) (Vocal) - that's the nice improvy one I was talkin' about. I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO IT EVER AGAIN! |
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Remington Steele |
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I'm giving my palin post to the Scientologists -- but that's all I'm giving them.
Though oddly worded, some of their public ideas about emotions and human interaction make sense. I guess that's how they rope people in for the craziness and abuse. |
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The Smoking Nun |
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clever trousers wrote:Yeah, religions/cults inflate their numbers, but CO$ really goes overboard. I think Mormonism is still considered to be a fringe religion, even though it has grown a lot. I don't know anybody who wants to hang around with Mormons, especially the ex-Mormons I know. And there was no internet back then, so I think it will be harder for Scientology to expand than it was for the Mormons in the earlier days of that cult. Here's a site that gives an explanation of Scientology beliefs. The South Park ep did a pretty good job of explaining it too. I'm not very good at explaining their mumbo jumbo. http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/6.htm |
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kf59 |
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Who else from Return to Forever? Stanley Clarke? Al Di Meola? Lenny White???
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The Smoking Nun |
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superguppie wrote:Scientology is not a religion, it's a cult. There is a difference. I think all religions and cults are bullshit, but trying to lump religions and cults together is inaccurate. There is a whole lot of information on the net about how CO$ got their pyramid scheme tax exempt status as a "religion." Here's one place to start: http://www.taxthecult.com/ |
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Riliss |
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this thread is 10000x more awesome than it first appears because of the religious people making fun of scientology.
there is no difference between one branch of the crazy tree and another. |
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memyselfandi |
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superguppie wrote:Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cult. It's a crafty sheisty fraudulent business operation that pretends it's a religion to get the tax break. I hate when people throw up their hands and say oh scientology cannot be so bad because all religions have some bullshit to them. No! There is a HUGE difference. |
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Riliss |
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no, there's not.
there is no difference in your diagnosis just because you and patient B have insane delusions about different types of all powerful aliens ruling our past, present, and future from another dimension. |
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Remington Steele |
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What kind of "dirt" do they use for blackmail? Unless you murdered someone or summat, they'd have to get you worked up over a non-issue, no?
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factoryhurl |
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they get info out of members by *auditing* which is supposed to purge you of your demons but it's really a way to get CSN for CO$ so they have the *goods*
on you if you decide to leave.
all religions are fake but CO$ is every bit is awful as children of god or people's temple. |
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Remington Steele |
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I know about auditing. I just can't imagine what could be so bad. It's like everyone's been caught on tape saying they raped chickens with Larry
Flynt and it would be embarrassing if it got out.
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factoryhurl |
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i am sure that they make them feel as though whatever they admit to is awful and something they should be ashamed of. brainwashing and intimidation.
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