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Posts: 5957 (10/30/09 8:00 PM) Registered user |
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Posts: 4629 (10/30/09 8:08 PM) Registered User |
yer honor
i hit him over the head with a shovel because he was a ranting idiot no, you did it because he was gae no really, it was because he was an idiot bottom line your honor whats the penalty same in either case reward for doing society a favor ok, now for actual edumacatin: (not my words) The reason why some states have "degrees" of murder and some do not, is dependant on whether or not that jurisdiction (state) recognizes Common Law or Model Penal Code. Most states are Common Law ("CL") jurisdictions. CL is modified from the old English Common Law. CL is often seen as natural law. Model Penal Code is manmade law in statute. Under MPC, you have Murder and Manslaughter, and no degrees. The main difference between 1st degree murder in a CL jurisdiction and 2nd degree murder is that 1st degree involves "the intentional killing of a human being with malice aforethought". In this scenario, the culprit has had the "cooling off period" in which they can cool down and make a more educated choice. For example, if someone found out that their wife was in bed with another man, and then they left the home to get a gun and came back and popped them off, then that would be charged as first degree. If the man walked in on them in the act and went nuts and immediately jumped on the other man and strangled him to death, he did not have any "cooling off" period. In this case, he would most likely be charged with 2nd degree murder. Another type of murder is usually charged when the defendant acts in such a way with total disregard for the safety and well-being of human life. This is also categorized as "depraved heart murder" in old English Common Law, and is one of the states of mind in the Malice requirement. As an example, a person is on top of a 15 story skyrise and throws off 5 10-gallon paintcans. This person was acting with total disregard for human life, and knew it was more probable than not that the people walking on the street below would be either killed or at least seriously injured. Also, if you intend to inflict great bodily injury and the person dies, then that's called Intentional Bodily Injury Murder and it is within the Malice definition, so that is also 1st degree murder. An example of that is hitting someone in the head with a baseball bat intending to severely hurt them and then they die. Yet another type of Malice is the Felonly Murder Rule. Any murder, intended or not, while in the commission of a felony is a first degree murder. If you rob a bank, and the teller gets shot, you're guilty of first degree murder. However, you are not guilty for the death of a co-felon. For example, if Billy and Bob rob SunTrust and the cops shoot Bob, then Billy is not indictable for the murder of Bob. To recap, any of the "Malice" murders are also considered 1st degree murder. In states that have manslaughter, you can be charged in a few different ways. An example of 1st degree manslaughter is self-defense. You had the criminal excuse of self defense to protect yourself or another from death or immediate serious bodily injury in which death could result. You then killed the man. While you should not be on trial for "murder", you can still be charged with manslaughter. For example: you thought he was reaching for a gun in his pocket, but he was really reaching for a tissue. Since YOU reasonably thought it was a weapon, you can claim self-defense. In your trial, the jury (fact finders) will determine if you were subjectively reasonable. If you were not being subjectively reasonable (the person had a reputation for being calm, you are a bully, the person was not a threat, etc etc) then they might find that your actions were not reasonable and you would be guilty. In 2nd degree manslaughter, that would be a lesser degree. As an example, if you caused a car wreck and unfortunately the people in the other car were killed or you accidentally ran someone over. In that example, you don't have the requisite state of mind to commit murder, nor does it rise to the degree of 1st degree manslaughter because your state of mind was "negligence", not purposefully, knowingly, or recklessly. i'm not seeing a whole lot of thoughts being dissected, except for the "thought he was reaching for a gun" excuse. |
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Posts: 2751 (10/30/09 8:18 PM) |
RazorrzzEdge wrote:It is quite clear that the legal system is only a partial deterrent of crime. Yes, there will always be people willing to commit crimes regardless of the punishment. This is about bringing the proper justice for the victims and their families of these horrible crimes. This is about a first step. It's quite clear that there are people here who want no steps taken... who will find ways to criticize and condemn those who do. Just like there were those who opposed a woman's right to vote, or interracial marriage. Like I've said before... there will always be haters and bigots and racists... and on a board like Sucks... they are free to hide behind the other side of their anonymous computer. Long after people like Tee are dead an buried, this FIRST STEP will be discussed in history classes. People like Tee will try and tell us now that it is not a big deal... that it is just lip service. The reality is that Tee is the one who is not a big deal and just lip service. He will leave nothing behind in this world that will be worth mentioning in 100 years. This new legislation, however, will be discussed at length... |
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Posts: 4631 (10/30/09 8:24 PM) Registered User |
except the next generation that shares my genes
now you do that I am all for punishing criminals you dolt i am not for bigger gov't trying to do things that the Constitution (you really should read it someday) does not allow it to do at best, these should be state written hate crimes laws, not federal, but your pea brain is too clouded by perceived slights to see the reason for that |
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Posts: 2752 (10/30/09 8:28 PM) |
I think I get the biggest satisfaction at the fact that no matter how much Teeanday froths at the mouth about it, this bill has been signed. Then, one sunny
day, next next one will be signed and the next. No matter how much his fucked up genes mutate he will always be one step behind progress. I wonder if he still
uses a beeper?
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Posts: 5958 (10/30/09 9:35 PM) Registered user |
Perhaps Teean is really Dennis the Beeper King from 30 Rock?
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Tres Gay |
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Posts: 4614 (10/30/09 11:28 PM) Registered user |
Nomii, there is no difference. To be found guilty of terrorism you have to actually take action or attempt to take action. We have a very broad definition as
to what "taking action" means, but some action has to be taken. I'm fine with renaming terrorism "murder" or "attempted
murder."
If someone paints the word "fag" on your car why should they be punished more than if they had painted "Asshole?" If someone punches you in the nose because you love men why should they be punished more than if the same punch had been delivered because you spilled a drink on them? Your car is fucked up and your nose is broken either way. |
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Posts: 624 (10/31/09 12:16 AM) |
I have an attraction to my dog. We are sometimes caught making out, and when I'm out with my dog people give me glares when purchasing condoms for him. I
get a lot of comments, specifically hate comments. It's hard that I don't have the freedoms like other people, please Obama, please, make a hate speech
law for those with dog attractions.
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Posts: 4497 (10/31/09 7:33 AM) Registered User |
The original purpose of hate crime laws was to increase punishment for symbolic actions that didn't carry much punishment in themselves, ie burning a cross
on someone's lawn. We all know the symbolism involved, but the actual punishment for property damage was minimal. And I do think there is a difference
between painting "fag" (or "!%%#%%" or "kike" or swastikas) than "asshole" on someone's house. I don't have any
problem with punishing those things more severely than tossing eggs or paint at someone's house.
The problem comes in when hate crime laws are used to enhance already criminal activities, like the example we've been using of physically battering someone. The penalty for beating (or murdering) someone are already severe. Why is the body or life of a black person or Jewish person or gay person worth more than a straight, white Protestant? And those of you who say we prove intent all the time are right; that's not the issue. But prosecutors don't wait until the end of the trial to decide what they're going to charge you with. So if a straight person punches a gay person, the CHARGE is for an enhanced penalty under the hate crime law, that's what's used as the basis of a plea bargain, and what is eventually proven at trial is usually irrelevant, because no trial is ever going to happen. So, for example, if you punch a straight guy and you're charged with battery, you face 4 years and plea bargain down to 2, but if you punch a gay guy, you face 6 years and plea bargain down to 3, regardless of whether you had any idea the guy was gay. How is that fair? And finally, what do you do with situations where the assailant THOUGHT the victim was gay, but he wasn't? If the goal is to punish people more severely when they act our of some sort of discriminatory intention, why shouldn't that person's act be punished as a hate crime? He was hating when he committed the crime. Why does the actual sexual orientation of the victim matter? |
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Posts: 8729 (10/31/09 10:07 AM) Registered User |
HAte crimes are liberal social engineering bs. I thought the constitution said we are all equal.
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Posts: 2760 (10/31/09 11:36 AM) |
PassionatePiscesMan wrote:Well, you thought wrong... not every citizen in the United States has access to the same rights. If your theories on equal rights go back to The Constitution, you need to do some more research... because they are little out-dated. Time to open your eyes 'right-coaster', the times they are a changing... whether you like it or not. What a classic statement made by someone who has always been been part of the majority. Time to open your eyes 'right-coaster', they times they are a changing. |
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Posts: 4615 (10/31/09 12:43 PM) Registered user |
"The original purpose of hate crime laws was to increase punishment for symbolic actions that didn't carry much punishment in themselves, ie burning a
cross on someone's lawn."
In Virginia it is illegal to burn a cross on your own property. It is also illegal for an adult to wear a mask in public. I despise the KKK and their bullshit antics. I also despise the rediculous laws enacted to punish them for their beliefs. Although the mask law does have some other applications that do make sense, it was enacted to force the KKKowards to reveal their faces during public rallies. You can burn anything else you want to on your own property as long as 1) It doesn't endanger neighbouring properties/people and 2) You don't burn during certain hours during certain months (has something to do with preventing forest fires?) |
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Posts: 220 (10/31/09 12:58 PM) |
RazorrzzEdge wrote:A small start is better than no start. |
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Posts: 1211 (10/31/09 1:05 PM) |
I think it will give potential homosexual offenders a little more to think about. If it can deter at least 1 beating then it did its job. It sends the message
that it's not okay to beat somebody on the basis of their sexuality or assumed sexuality and while that may seem painfully obvious to the ridiculously
ignorant (of which there are plentiful) it might actually make them think twice about committing a hate crime. To be backed by the federal government tells
people that homosexuals aren't just deviants and freaks of nature but people. This fact shouldn't be taken for granted and there are places where this
is not obvious.
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Posts: 4633 (10/31/09 4:50 PM) Registered User |
ribald2008 wrote:this is going to be harder to quantify than the stimulus effect on unemployment |
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Posts: 4316 (10/31/09 7:36 PM) |
shiza h minelli wrote: Christ, melodramatic much. Gay already have equal rights. Now they want to change the definition of what a marriage is. |
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Posts: 2769 (10/31/09 7:43 PM) |
^^Yes, And they will change the definition of what marriage is. Whether you like it or not. Now, you should quit wasting your energy here... it's probably
taking time away from fucking your little sister.
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Posts: 4634 (10/31/09 9:59 PM) Registered User |
how come the fudge packer is so nasty to everybody with a dissenting opinion?
he demands others accept him and anything that puts him outside the "mainstream" yet he is just a hater of anyone not exactly like him was it your sister that made you gay, is that why you're striking out here? |
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Posts: 6961 (10/31/09 10:09 PM) |
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Posts: 2788 (10/31/09 10:17 PM) |
CAPSattack wrote: My thoughts exactly... I love reading Tee's little mantrums! |
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