Strategy VS Suffering

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samsgap		#41	[-]
Posts: 3907 (10/29/09 6:05 PM) This is so supernatural!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Apprentice Talker wrote: I think its suffering. Some Survivors suffer minor pains or itching. Claude <3
TroubleInTampa		#42	[-]
Posts: 5917 (10/29/09 6:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The bugs are brutal. I can't imagine how bad the itching must be.
TheWizard		#43	[-]
Posts: 149 (10/30/09 12:10 AM) "Thought it was Outwit, Outplay, Outgrow" Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SuperJude wrote: Yes and no. Like Spunkee said, there can be too much strategizing which becomes boring. This is why I could never watch the BB live feeds, it's all whispering, plotting, running scenarios. That's fine during the edited shows since they show very little but can get grating when watching on youtube. Survivor...I guess it's a mix of strategy, the elements, challenges, personalities, Probst, Tribal Council that makes for a good formula. I just gotta say I wish there were more moments like Fans vs Faves and "tell Erik to give you the Immunity Idol" then watching it happen. The only strategy we've really seen this season is Russell getting rid of people he found threatening to his position. Unless we cound the incredibly painful yet amusing Galu Boys plus Shamu sequence. Poody, you look retarded trying to be all badass and curse like a big boy. Chill out man! -SJ™ I think you could have both -more- strategy and -more- of the human stuff if they got rid of the decoy boot EVERY episode. Yes, I know it adds drama and tension. But it sucks up a LOT of time. Did anybody really believe Jaison was going home today? On my season, the episode we booted Sierra, Sierra knew in advance that she was going home (the one time we told anybody, and it was a mistake), and the way she reacted to it - the way she fought it and eventually accepted it - I thought would be a much more compelling narrative than "Is it Sierra? Or is it Coach?" Obviously you could not do this every episode, but every so often it might be nice. ETA: The web videos this ep also showed how Laura, Natalie and Russell struck up a real concrete game plan. Why not show that? We'd have a much better sense of how the whole thing was going down if we got to see that in the ep.
FishNChips		#44	[-]
Posts: 281 (10/30/09 12:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I hear you Steven, Wasted time w/poor edits
SuperJude		#45	[-]
Posts: 14844 (10/30/09 11:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can only imagine they have their time tested blueprint on how to edit in order to appeal to the general audience. There are people who will watch every episode of every season of this show and yet don't really think much about strategy beyond rooting for their (often forced upon them) favorite. Also, the final vote being read is such a huge part of the show's mythos that I think editing feels compelled to constantly work the "who is being booted" angle vs just giving it straight to us. Edited properly, the Sierra boot Stephen mentioned could have been classic. Watch Sierra suffer all 5 steps of grieving! That could have been quite cool BUT...would the general populus (read: not just those of us in major US cities) have enjoyed such an edit? It's hard to say, every time I start thinking the general Survivor audience is smarter than given credit for, a Bob or JT goes and wins the Fan voting in a show that hasn't seemed to really consider that maybe somebody OTHER THAN THE WINNER should get this money. -SJ™
cateiz		#46	[-]
Posts: 13 (10/31/09 3:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's strategy.The main reason this season sucks to me is too many coattail riders and under the radar players and not enough strategic players.
airshowpilot		#47	[-]
Posts: 1820 (11/02/09 12:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	watchinuall wrote: I agree--the increased use of barbaric challenges is troubling. I wonder why they're doing this--do they think they need to show this kind of thing to retain viewers? True, I don't want to watch them sit around playing word games every week, but watching people being required to beat the crap out of each other is not what I want to see, either. The social game has increased as the seasons flew by. Tougher challenges are better because it pulls those with physical deficiencies out of their element and the physical players are forced into the social arena. Tit for tat.
Xyston		#48	[-]
Posts: 231 (11/02/09 6:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SuperJude wrote: It's hard to say, every time I start thinking the general Survivor audience is smarter than given credit for, a Bob or JT goes and wins the Fan voting in a show that hasn't seemed to really consider that maybe somebody OTHER THAN THE WINNER should get this money. -SJ™ I don't ever think that.
star jumper		#49	[-]
Posts: 44947 (11/02/09 6:56 PM) I'm an ugly Yeti King Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Xyston wrote: SuperJude wrote: It's hard to say, every time I start thinking the general Survivor audience is smarter than given credit for, a Bob or JT goes and wins the Fan voting in a show that hasn't seemed to really consider that maybe somebody OTHER THAN THE WINNER should get this money. -SJ™ I don't ever think that. ...and who are you?
SuperJude		#50	[-]
Posts: 14875 (11/02/09 8:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just want more rain. I want these people miserable in between challenges and Russell confessionals. -SJ™
cateiz		#51	[-]
Posts: 19 (11/02/09 8:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SuperJude wrote: I just want more rain. I want these people miserable in between challenges and Russell confessionals. -SJ™ I agree, but don't expect me to feel sorry for some pretty boy mactor just because he got rained on for thirdy nine days when there's real people suffering in this world.
TroubleInTampa		#52	[-]
Posts: 5935 (11/02/09 8:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Does the pretty boy mactor not bleed when you cut him? How can you belittle his very real suffering?
growsonwalls		#53	[-]
Posts: 3469 (11/02/09 10:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You both have it wrong. It's not strategy or suffering, it's personality that for me makes or breaks the game. Cook Islands had some great strategizing but with really boring people and so it's my least favorite season. A great Survivor character has to have a combination of strategy (or lack thereof) and personality. For me the moments that I remember are the ones that revealed a Survivor's character the most, from Sean's alphabet strategy in the first season to Brian showing himself to be a total sociopath by literally patting himself on the back, to Fairplay faking his grandma's death.
SuperJude		#54	[-]
Posts: 14878 (11/03/09 6:00 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I guess I'm going on the assumption that they cast similar people with similar personality traits. Every once in a while they throw in a Cao-Boi or Coachbag for "flavor". It's the suffering and the strategy that seem to best bring out the more interesting personality traits in people, at least that they'll show in the edit. Intersting that all the things you listed growsie seem to be Strategy. -SJ™
chidelta		#55	[-]
Posts: 1258 (11/03/09 1:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's hard to say, every time I start thinking the general Survivor audience is smarter than given credit for, . . . SJ, you must also think that the average Suckster is smarter than given credit for, because you used both "mythos" and "populus" in the same post. Heck, most people here probably don't even know that the word populus relates to trees, and the word populace relates to population.
CJPeters	Populus?	#56	[-]
Posts: 29 (11/03/09 3:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chidelta wrote: It's hard to say, every time I start thinking the general Survivor audience is smarter than given credit for, . . . SJ, you must also think that the average Suckster is smarter than given credit for, because you used both "mythos" and "populus" in the same post. Heck, most people here probably don't even know that the word populus relates to trees, and the word populace relates to population. Populus? Populus? Like, is that a word Americans use? Well, bite my Salicaceae
star jumper		#57	[-]
Posts: 44963 (11/03/09 3:37 PM) I'm an ugly Yeti King Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
SuperJude		#58	[-]
Posts: 14928 (11/06/09 6:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think this episode pretty much concludes that we all prefer Strategy over the Suffering/surviving aspect of this show. -SJ™
token lunatic		#59	[-]
Posts: 27542 (11/06/09 6:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The editors did a good job this time for a change. We all knew Foa Foa was fucked, but like Natalie(?) said, there was dissension among the ranks. Russell Mr Magooing all over the place started the rube goldberg of crappy strategy. Fun as hell to watch. Erik should get a special award. He was awesome. As were Jaison and Natalie. Mick tho
Nods		#60	[-]
Posts: 7012 (11/06/09 7:06 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Utopian wrote: Speaking of which, I'm amazed no one, after 20 seasons, has built a teepee as a shelter. It's not that difficult if you know what you're doing and the advantage is that you can build a fire inside the shelter so that you can stay warm even when it rains. We don't know all the rules they have, but I would assume after 20 seasons of open leanto shelters that they aren't allowed to build a teepee or an enclosed shelter.

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