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Posts: 14088 (10/23/09 2:15 PM) |
People are overanalyzing the double TC/non-boot way too much.
They simply gave them a reprieve since one of their fellow castmates almost died right in front of them. 
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 350 (10/23/09 2:22 PM) Registered user |
You know what's a little unfair, Russell can call his entire tribe "Worthless" and garner mostly toneless ratings, while Monica last episode
barely said anything and still gets an N.
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Oowatanite |
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Posts: 9059 (10/23/09 2:34 PM) Registered User |
If SEG was worried about the "20 players and 39 days" scheduling, they could easily tack on an extra day between TCs near the end of the season to
make up for a triple boot episode. Right now there is still a double boot that is "needed", since EvacRussell's exit is the same as a typical
"one boot" episode.
If SEG was worried about losing a TV episode slot by booting three players in one episode, they could have simply made the Finale episode a F5 rather than a F6, or a F4 rather than a F5, or a F3 rather than a F4. This would also allow more FTC jury action as well. |
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Werwanderflugen |
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Posts: 261 (10/23/09 2:36 PM) Registered user |
I've only watched it once, but this ep seems to have been strictly a holding pattern and sets the stage for lots of action next week.So, next week is Episode 6 part 2, then? The second coming of the two-part merge episode! |
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 cindidindi76 |
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Posts: 20197 (10/23/09 3:05 PM) Registered User |
McPhever224 wrote: Yeah, it's a little ridiculous. It's like people are grading Russell on his own scale separate from everyone else. I really can't see him being toneless this episode, at all. I really loved Erik's edit this episode: but was he CPP or CPM? I think all the way to the end he was a definite P, but I could see an N influence from his argument with the Foa Foa underdogs. John also seems like such an interesting, strategic player... these Galu folks aren't that boring after all! (and I'd almost wager to say they're a more interesting lot than Foa Foa) Agreed. Makes me hate the shitty editing this season even more, and makes it even more obvious that the dolts who were saying "Maybe they're editing like this because Russell and Shambo are the only interesting people and everyone else is booooooring" are completely wrong. |
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 351 (10/23/09 3:31 PM) Registered user |
Another thing (kinda about Monica) if we are going to give Monica an N for being "mean" to Shambo (which was totally called for, since she voted
against her in the last tribal council) than should John and Erik be N for being mean to her as well? I bet most of the people in here will the two of them P
and Monica an N... Every since Amanda and Erinn every "pretty white girl" isn't allowed to be rated fairly.
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SurvivorNinja |
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Posts: 2931 (10/23/09 3:46 PM) Registered user |
Has anyone who is saying we need a double boot for the amount of episodes ever considered there could be 15 episodes this season? They days work out fine for no double boot it's the episodes that don't. |
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 352 (10/23/09 3:47 PM) Registered user |
ndralcasid wrote: I don't really understand this. The guys basically said she was a threat, because her and Laura have good social skills and can get people to rally behind them. I'm sorry but I just can't see how Monica is going to get an N and Russell won't its really unjustified. I mean I really don't care, she's not even my favorite so don't accuse me of "fanboyism" but it's just stupid. |
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Oowatanite |
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Posts: 9062 (10/23/09 4:09 PM) Registered User |
McPhever224 wrote: It's simple, really. I'm gonna call it the "Monica Syndrome" for possible use in future seasons. Monica is "shown" in Ep 4 being the "sole" reason that Galu lost the IC. So we get lots of negative SPV to set up the decoy boot and Monica properly is awarded an N tone rating for this episode. Then the syndrome kicks in where every time Monica's supposed "weakness" in challenges is brought up, she deserves an N tone rating no matter if she screwed up another challenge or even participated in a challenge that episode. If we're gonna give Monica an N for being named the "weakest" at challenges, then we're also gonna hafta go back and change MANY ratings from past survivor seasons for Sandra and Tina and KimJ and Katie and Cirie and ....... |
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scepticA |
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Posts: 1727 (10/23/09 4:10 PM) Registered User |
Isn't the logical solution to give both Russell and Monica N's? 90% of the stuff out of his mouth was the usual crap about worthlessness, how's
he's the frigging best, etc. Just cuz we've heard it ad nauseum doesn't change the fact he said it. Yeah, he made nice at TC, but he makes nice
in such situations, and we all know it's BS - because he made it clear it's BS. If anyone else said what he said we'd probably slap them with an
OTTN, but his schtick is so damn tedious we're probably gonna OTTM or MORM him - both of which are wrong, IMO.
Monica's N is not as obvious to me. The problem was the combo of the guy's SPVs and how she treated the dumb but lovable Shambo. Again, I'm looking at the editing, and it's quite annoying in this instance. They've designed Sham as the middle-aged sweetheart and it's not taking. If Monica deserves an N - and I believe she does - it's primarily because of the effort the editors put into making her into a meany - a poor-playing meanie. The fact that IMO it might be undeserved in this ep is not the point. The point is what the editors are trying to convey. Besides, I haven't heard a really decent strategic thought from her mouth, which again is unfortunate. All we know about her is via the guys' SPV (negative - she's part of a known pair and useless in challenges) and her behavior towards Sham. Russell's N is more obvious, but Monica's is there too. |
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augustus713 |
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Posts: 154 (10/23/09 4:14 PM) |
The way Russell went about calling his team worthless or stupid is different from previous episodes, which is why he's not N this episode. He says it in a
way in which we agree with him, that if they can't suck it up and fight through being cold and in the rain without whining, then how are they going to
fight through the fatigue of challenges and win?
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 353 (10/23/09 4:33 PM) Registered user |
augustus713 wrote: But he still called them STUPID and WORTHLESS! If that came out of someone like Natalie's mouth she would have gotten an OTTN, the edgicers this season are definitely not being fair. |
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Posts: 6291 (10/23/09 4:39 PM) Registered User |
Fortunately, Edgic has nothing to do with idealism. Our cynical, world-weary eyes are fixed solely on the edit.The integrity of Survivor should always be above reproach, and any time the rules and edicts are changed on the fly the explanation should be clear and accurate; JP provided no explanation as to why the double elim shouldn't take place (one suspects that the simple reason was: eliminating 3 people in this one episode would have screwed up their schedule.) This is a peculiar season in a lot of ways, and this just adds to it. You know what's a little unfair, Russell can call his entire tribe "Worthless" and garner mostly toneless ratings, while Monica last episode barely said anything and still gets an N. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. We weren't the ones who decided to ignore Galu, except to trash them at every opportunity. (Shambo was never a member of Galu.) Edit-wise, they're dead, poopy-head, losers walking and have been from the moment we all gave a collective groan at the end of Ep1. Send all complaints about non-story, loser Galu c/o SEG. |
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Oowatanite |
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Posts: 9065 (10/23/09 4:46 PM) Registered User |
scepticA wrote:So Monica gets some negative SPV tone simply for being part of a "known" pair ? Really ? And how did Monica treat "dumb but lovable" Shambo this episode ? She targeted her after Shambo voted against her. That's a Bitch move, Monica ! To be fair, I did hate Monica's snarky comment about Shambo's ridiculous hair. I was upset when Monica whined that Shambo was only jealous of the pretty young girls. And I was really pissed off when Monica burned Shambo's socks. Negative ALL THE WAY ............. wait a minute. Monica didn't do ANY of that. She simply targeted someone who was targeting her. Hmmmmmmm ......... |
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 354 (10/23/09 4:51 PM) Registered user |
Oowatanite wrote: EXACTLY. |
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McPhever224 |
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Posts: 355 (10/23/09 4:55 PM) Registered user |
Jaison - MOR3
Liz - MOR3 Mick - MOR3 Natalie - MOR2 Russell H. - OTT NEGATIVE! 4 (If ANYONE else had said this, like say Natalie, they would have gotten an OTTN and he deserves it as well, although the OTT is half for being so repetitive) Brett - UTR1 Dave - UTR2 Erik - OTT5 (Maybe M, definitely not P) John - CP4 Kelly - UTR1 (Wish we saw more of her) Laura - MOR3 Monica - UTR NEUTRAL 2 (Monica was neutral this episode, she was shown as weak, so is that to say anyone who was weak, like Cirie or Lydia should be N everytime someone says so?) Russell S. - OTTP5 (Debating PP) Shambo - MOR3 Winners: 1. Mick -GAP- 2. (Nat/Liz/Erik/Sham/Jaison)? |
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 1955 (10/23/09 5:56 PM) Registered user |
McPhever224 wrote:Or maybe being a "pretty white girl" doesn't mean you're always P or neutral. Monica has been negatively editted, thus, she has been given N tones. Her edit reminds me of Chet's--everyone says she's worthless. No one is defending Monica--not even Monica. Her story continues to be "I'm going to get Shambo back" and that she's lazy. Especially when Shambo is SEG's female love child, Monica is going to get (an undeserved) negative edit; thus she gets N tones because that is what the editors want. If I was out there, chances are I'd love Monica and I'd agree with her and hate Shambo. Editting and reality are not the same. ETS: I bet you Monica is sitting at home watching the episodes thinking "why are they making me out to be so bad!" Ah, the power of editting.
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Yesmar88 |
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Posts: 271 (10/23/09 6:09 PM) Registered user |
I don't think there's any shenanigans here. They didn't eliminate anyone since:
A) A triple boot would have forced them to do a Final 2 (the horror) in order to match the episodes up. Or just work in a clip show, but I guess they didn't want to do that? B) Allowing Galu to just not boot anyone would have been unfair to Foa Foa, who had to go to Tribal right after a medevac. C) There are already two Tribe Vs. Tribe designs set up that would be wasted, since the Merge would happen sooner than expected. They were able to switch things up in Micro since all the challenges left were for individuals anyway. |
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 1957 (10/23/09 6:14 PM) Registered user |
I don't think there are shenanigans either. It looks like Monica was going to go, and to see Shambo survive and see the blindsided faces of the "lazy,
nasty" girls would have been good TV and good for their story. They're risking Shambo going by extending time for more discussion by at least 3 days.
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augustus713 |
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Posts: 155 (10/23/09 6:20 PM) |
McPhever224 wrote:But it didn't, it came out of Russell's mouth. To not take into account the entirety of the season is a mistake. For Russell, this was a very neutral episode compared to how he's been edited previously. The players don't have a clean slate every episode, their edits in the previous episodes are already engraved in the back of viewers' minds. The editors know this and this was a relatively neutral edit for Russell this episode with that in mind. |
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