But no. Instead, let's give fuckin Coby a jury spot for "trying so hard!!!"
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Runnindownadream74 |
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You know, if the producers really did step in at F10 to delay the merge, that actually kinda pisses me off. I get the whole novelty of one tribe being
completely decimated down to one player etc. etc. etc., but a merge at 10 with 8 players vs. 2 players would still have been a record at that time. Also, it
REALLY would have made the game interesting. Alone, Stephenie had little to no power, but a voting bloc of 2 that manages to survive one round after the merge
(assume Coby got voted out first) could suddenly have a lot of power as swing voters at F9 or even F7. Shit would have hit the fan. I can live with it,
because it worked out with Tom winning which was awesome and likely wouldn't have happened if both BobbyJon AND Steph were around (Koror 5 would've
been split by Final 8 or Final 7), and who the fuck knows what people like Janu or Caryn would've ended up doing.
But no. Instead, let's give fuckin Coby a jury spot for "trying so hard!!!" |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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What ticked me off more than merging late was the way Bobby Jon was forced to leave the game. He wasn't voted out. Three people in that season had bullshit
ways to leave the game without having a chance to save themselves through tribal council (and that's not even counting Angie and Jenn's bullshit
eliminations).
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craig |
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It was so appropriate to see Booby Jon leave through yet another challenge loss.
Fave Ulong loss - when Koror B team of Katie\Janu\Jenn\Ian beat Steph and 3 guys. |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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It was appropriate? Are you kidding me? The term is "voted off the island" for a reason. It's not "get fucked by the producers and have no
chance to save yourself".
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Runnindownadream74 |
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craig wrote:Yeah that was pretty funny. At Ulong James: "I ain't lyin', I know this damn knot I tied in the navy, it's impossible to untie, I tells ya." Stephenie: "Uh huh." Ibrehem: "Me understand." At the Challenge Janu unties the knot in about 10 seconds with 1 hand. James ties his skirt while Bobby Jon drowns and Stephenie nearly dies carrying 200 logs. |
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craig |
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It's not "get fucked by the producers and have no chance to save yourself".Booby Jon had TWO chances to save himself - by winning a 2x2 IC (where Tom and Ian sat out), and by beating a girl in firestarting. Many players have had far less chance to control their own destiny. |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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craig wrote: Name them. This is not some random show on MTV with format changes whenever the hell they want. No other player in Survivor history has been screwed over more than he did. Everyone else at least had the opportunity to make social connections/alliances to further themselves in the game. Paschal could have even changed his vote to Neleh for a sure thing at staying. |
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craig |
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How about Cirie at F4 in S12 - first player having to cope with TWO people being immune at F4?
Or S13 Jenny in the double boot episode - a twist never seen before or since, with virtually no chance to plead her case? At least for BJ, the normal course of events just played out (lose IC, go to TC), and he was doomed anyway. And BJ had options besides winning ICs, like voting Steph out instead of Ibe, or pursauding Steph to do an Ian\Erik. I know the latter is a long-shot, sbut so are many players chances to stategize out of twists. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Cirie could've worked Terry to voting Danielle saying she'd be much less of a challenge threat than Danielle. And Jenny was in the tribal minority. One
that she herself had contributed to her getting into, plus she was voted out, whether you'd like to admit it or not.
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novaya |
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XtremeInnovator420 wrote: Terry would have never voted off Danielle over Cirie, no matter how much Cirie pleaded. It was obvious that Aras/Cirie were the tightest allies, and Danielle was on the bottom of their 3. Plus, Cirie going to Terry could have just resulted in Aras throwing her under the bus. The 2-2 was the only way that was going to play out. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Every contestant should have their fate determined by a vote. That's the way Survivor is, always has been, and always should be. That's why Bobby
Jon's elimination was ridiculous.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Right, tiebreakers are different because, with Cirie and that it happened as a result of a vote, they still voted. With Bobby Jon, nobody voted that whole
Tribal Council (and yeah, I understand why they did, fine), and thus the challenge was the sole thing post-challenge that decided BJ's fate. Wish they
merged at 10, actually.
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Thailandsurvivor |
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I think firemaking tiebreakers are BS, and I hate HII's (other than Guatemala's). With that said, Cirie had the option to win immunity, sway Terry, or
win the tiebreaker. That's a hell of a lot more opportunities than Bobby Jon had. Had Terry given the idol to Danielle, I would listen to an argument for
Cirie (and Sundra had Yul given the idol to Becky), but Bobby Jon didn't have the option to vote. He was automatically put into a challenge.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Firemaking may be BS (certainly moreso than the re-vote/past vote method), but they're less so than pulling rocks while the people who have the most votes
get immunity (as opposed to having everyone but the person with the Immunity Necklace pull them, which would be fair), but yeah if there's a vote that
precedes it, then it's alright because well, the castaways force it on themselves. That and they probably SHOULD know how to make fire late in the game
anyway.
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OzarkSurvivor |
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XtremeInnovator420 wrote:THIS. I like the firemaking because it brings the game full-circle back to the survival aspect. |
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Art NL |
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I love that Ulong was decimated. Who cares if the merge was delayed, it gave Survivor something new, something that has never done before. It sucked for Bobby Jon, but every twist sucks for someone, that's the game. You need a lot of luck to win, which Bobby Jon unfortunately didn't have. |
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chaddie |
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i still to this day think if Iborehem was voted out instead of Angie, they would have won an IC challenge.
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airshowpilot |
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Forgive me if I sound like I'm humping Steph's leg but she was terrific and showed a ton of class. I enjoyed the internal struggles within Katie and
Ian as well. Also, Tom played the good father figure role and deserved the win.
It was one of few seasons I felt good about morals/lessons/sportsmanship/respect. Totally unlike Amazon where I loath Rob, Jenna, Heidi, Christy. They were a bunch of self deserved entitles where that season made me physically ill and quite angry. |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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chaddie wrote:And you jumped to this logic how? The only challenge Ibrehem was a hindrance in was that one challenge where they had to swim down to the bottom of the ocean and untie the bottles and that wasn't even a immunity challenge, that was just a reward. Ulong would have lost every immunity challenge no matter who they voted out after Jolanda because they had no leader or someone to rally behind to get their asses in check. |
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RobVanStratus |
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Had Jolanda not gone first over someone useless like Ashlee, Kim, or James, and Jeff not rolled his ankle, Ulong would have had a good shot at winning some
IC's.
Keeping someone like James so long is what did them in. At the double boot they should have dumped him over Angie or BJ. As for BJ's boot in Palau, it was fair. He lost Immunity and by default at TC, he and Stephenie had to vote for each other, causing a tie and the tiebreaker. That situation could have been avoided had he and Ulong been able to win one IC before that. Much like how Thailandsurvivor claims Cirie had a chance to stay at the F4 by winning Immunity, BJ had a chance to stay at the F10 by winning Immunity. Like Cirie, he failed. |
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