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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Shambo not only had the chicken thing, Blake. She also had SPV of "Shambo sucked at the challenge" from Russell. And even when she was giving away
clues to the idol, we saw that it was a dumb move, given that Erik found it without her and still thinks she's an idiot, plus she even said what boils down
to "This can't possibly hurt me...unless it does." There was no complexity to her edit. She was basically a one-note moron.
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BlakeB717 |
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They had to show her giving Erik the clues, which means she had to be shown. I don't think she was made out to be all that stupid, considering she got a
confessional about why she did it. Someone saying she sucked at the challenge (I don't remember Russ saying that, just that she was kind of useless in the
RC but it wasn't said blatantly) doesn't warrant an OTT, that is more N.
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Werwanderflugen |
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I'm in agreeance with you, Blake, that OTTN just doesn't seem the proper rating for Shambo this episode. Perhaps it's because I have specific
ideas of what OTTN is: Ben's edit, Yasmin's edit... and Shambo doesn't seem to fit in at all with them (or even CPN, like Russell H). I really
question the N for her; she got some negative SPV, yes, but it wasn't intended for the viewer to see her as
negative. The only negativity directed at her came from a tribe that "sucks," according to Erik, and even that commentary, in my opinion, shaped the
OTT-ness instead of the N-ness of her edit.
For me, she's a clear OTT(neutral), but if we're just looking at the rating in question, OTTN is slightly more fitting than MORN. OTTN, to me, implies much more craft than MORN, and I don't think we can say that her edit wasn't crafted this time around. |
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guatemala fanfic |
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I am sticking with OTT for Shambo and would like to reiterate my case for it. The problem is I'm at school right now so I can't rewatch the episode.
I'm not opposed to MOR but I do feel OTT works better and hopefully I can show that later this afternoon when I'm able to rewatch.
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ndralcasid |
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Can I ask why some people put M for Shambo? Because I didn't see any part of her that would strike me as P....at all
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Oowatanite |
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ndralcasid wrote:She wasn't P at all. They give her M simply because they like her and N is "bad". |
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scepticA |
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What Oo said. I didn't see any P in her. She's spunky, and maybe her whole persona gives off this Spunky P vibe.
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SurvivorNinja |
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Shambo was totally N..anyone who says otherwise is clouded.
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I LUV TIJUANA |
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SurvivorNinja wrote: This. |
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fat little fingers |
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Close Call (After rewatch.)
Shambo's edit came down to one sentence: Dave, "Shambo is a colossal screw-up." Shambo makes her only complex-ish confessionals at the beginning of the ep: About her alienation from Galu- "I work 'cause this tribe's lazy...If I can make it to the merge, I've got Foa Foa's vote, so I'm way ahead." About telling John and Eric about the two clues- "...can do nothing but help me going forward, but maybe it won't. We'll see." This last part is the key to her edit. Shambo tells everyone about her skills and has screwed up on everything she claims to be good at: Ability to fish. Ability to care for chickens. Those two things give Shambo a pattern: screwing up what she says she can do. It looks like she's screwed-up by telling Eric about the clues, too, but we'll see. So, yes, there is complexity in her opening confessionals. But, they also define her OTT personality as a well-meaning bungler, a screw-up. The rest of her episode only adds to her OTT character as the tribe's misfit, who's every action alienates the rest. Shannon- OTT. |
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guatemala fanfic |
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Yes, and on top of that you have Russell commenting on Shambo at the challenge, something like "Shambo's all over the place," then after the
chicken gets lost he says something along the lines of "I'm not calling Shambo stupid, but it's a bird. You'd think a country girl would know
it could fly" and then Erik has the confessional about "The chicken laid the egg. What did you do for the egg? Nothing."
So all of that SPV contributes to the simplified edit of her being a screw-up, or as flf said: "Shambo tells everyone about her skills and has screwed up on everything she claims to be good at." I don't think her being OTTN is a problem. There are different degrees of the rating and it doesn't always mean that the person was a villain. It just means a simplified, one-note character who was portrayed in a negative manner. That's what happened here. |
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fat little fingers |
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gff, I'm not sure what my exact words were, but I want to clarify that Mick would be "very obvious" only to Edgic sorts. His edit has been uneventful, since his ep1 triumph as the leader who picked well for the first challenge. Again, for those who want to keep comparing Mick to Marcus: Marcus had Charlie, who's role was to sing Marcus' praises for the first few eps. He organized and gave confessionals about the Onion alliance. Marcus was buffed and polished by the edit, so that Jeff could say, "Gotcha!" at the merge. Mick is a nobody in comparison. No alliance, except being tricked by Evil Russ (and that not being mentioned since.) No big confessional about his game plan. Am I sold on Mick?Like everyone else, I can't be that sure after Gabon. But, this season Isn't Gabon. Neither in the individual edits or the tribal stories. Maybe Mick's biggest winner strength is what I believe Riliss brought up first: That Mick hasn't received any negative comments about his leadership through all the tribal
losses.
He's bland. He's MOR. He's a clean slate, ready for any sort of story change, whether he's the eventual winner or
not.
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scepticA |
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What FLF said (note the caps, indicative of high praise) about Mick's edit - I wonder how many non-edgic'rs have him even on their radar. Nice guy,
seems kinda smart, no big story whirling around him. This is a season about high drama, and Mick is decidedly not part of that - he is on the periphery at
best. (He knows about the HII, and of all the self-boasting of Russell H, the big error in his game was his inability to keep from boasting to two players
that he is so damn smart he found the HII. Some people compare him to Rob C, but Rob would never, ever have told anyone - except the camera - that he had an
HII)
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BlakeB717 |
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scepticA wrote: Yeah, I really haven't seen the comparison at all. Apparently if you're an attractive, boring, successful person with a decent edit you can't win. Also, if you're a person who over 90% of Edgic thinks will win, then Edgic will definitely get it wrong because it's "in the stars" and we're "ignoring other possibilities". How about all the other possibilities suck!? |
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Oowatanite |
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scepticA wrote: Supposedly ? I thought we decided as a group last season that the "official Edgic winner pick" was to be made after the Merge Episode Part II. Or was it Part III ? Part IV ? |
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scepticA |
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Well, we can't undo a rung bell, no matter if we choose on merge episode 2 or 3 or N+1.
None of the INVs will magically disappear. They're like inkstains on a wedding dress - irritatingly visible. Nor will the OTTfest for the Russhambo crowd. That's one of the damn problems with edgic. It doesn't un-eliminate people. What happens if your numero uno pick gets the boot is the "next best pick" gets pushed up a notch. The problem is that for me there are only two people on the Possibles list. Hey, if we're wrong, we're wrong. Frankly, as of now I think Mick is a pretty decent chap. Plenty of time for him to get more attention (and plenty of eps for him to be voted out, of course.)
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BlakeB717 |
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Oowatanite wrote: LOL I love when you harp on that. |
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AbbyGirl |
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What FLF, and ScepticA said, ditto. Mick is not on any average viewer's radar. My sister said she likes Jaison and thinks he could win since he's shown
so much. She wasn't sure who Mick was when I mentioned him, I said the cute doctor on the losing side. She said oh, the poor guy, he doesn't have a
chance against the others on the purple tribe. She liked him, but he wasn't as out there as Jaison, Evil Russell, and Shambo. She hates Shambo, she called
her "mullet head" and said she can tell Shambo doesn't like men, a few of my friends hate Shambo as well. Is that a result of her edit or just
personal preference? I'm not sure. At first I thought Shambo was a female Rupert, but after the last episode I'm having my doubts. This is a very
different season with so much emphasis on Evil Russell and a few others.
Mick's story might be yet to come... it could be a winner's story, it could be about how he gets to merge and goes at the hands of Evil Russell and his lemmings (the so called dumb ladies). Is he a Colby that actually wins in the finals, a Marcus or Brendan that is first on the jury....I don't know. I only know he has the best edit so far. He's not out there shoved in our faces, he has distractions, he's likable mostly from a distance, he's shown watching Evil Russell doing his thing looking thoughtful. He comments about not believing anyone in the game, and says he's tired of losing but plans to keep going (in so many words). Most viewers think he's a nice guy but doesn't have a chance. Blake makes some very good points about Mick's edit, he is NOT Marcus. Tonight's episode should be very interesting.... |
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BigJohn043 |
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There is broad consensus that Mick has the best standard Edgic edit. In fact, he is the only character you really can't find some reason to eliminate.
The interesting thing is that the editors have decided to make this season of Survivor Evil Russell's story. If Russell was an early distraction that was elimanted before the merge we would see a lot more of his crazy statement contradicted by either the other characters or the action. While he is clearly an enormous character ala Coach or Rupert, the editors have been very careful to make him at CP as they can. I think it is pretty clear that Russell lasts deep into the game and has a big role at the final tribal council. My guess is that he likely faces the jury although he could somehow ask the great question or sway the whole jury. In some way he is going to be critical. If Russell loses, the story will still be about why Russell lost and not why someone else won. The last time this happened Stephanie lost and we got Danni. It could end up being one of the dumb ass girls: Natalie, Ashley or Liz (who I know wasn't part of the original comment). All of them have the INV problem but I am not sure what is so magic about the whole INV rule. Almost half of the winners have had an UTR1 in their edit and I am not sure what is so edgically majic about the difference between UTR1 and INV. I can't see the editors saying we need at least one sentence from the winner so they aren't INV. I can also see Shambo somehow winning over Russell. Maybe they decide to choose the gregarious idiot over the scheming devil. It certainly isn't out of the question given the lack of other good edits. |
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