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Posts: 246 (10/10/09 7:06 AM) I don't take hints |
I agree as soon as this evil mastermind thing was touted there was no way that he was going to get voted out early.
Either way this season is being ruined by Russell and Shambo. I for one do not really like either of them.
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Posts: 9326 (10/10/09 7:17 AM) Registered User |
I'd say the spoilers we have been given have been fairly accurate and can be trusted. The spoilers called for Yasmin's boot, but also made note that no
one from Foa Foa would get the chance to go to Galu to look for an idol. Not only that, but the second spoiler on the season is from someone who named a past
player as being cast next season that everyone said was not cast, and it's been proven they were cast. It's not someone from this season, but I
won't name names because I'm sure someone will bitch that I spoiled a cast member next season for them.
As for the post above, hopefully someone can get him to edit because he is giving out a spoiler. But I can see Edgic has some people that obviously discussed spoilers with their discussion over the last episode. I read spoilers so I'm not listing anymore winners, only from my winner pool week 3, which had Shambo/Russell H./Ashley/Mick/Liz. That's my order and I'm sticking to it so no one can cry that I spoiled the season for them. |
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garyw |
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Posts: 247 (10/10/09 7:24 AM) I don't take hints |
The reason for Russells evil edit is purely to build up for the theme of season 20.
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Posts: 2681 (10/10/09 7:57 AM) |
I have read a few spoilers but they mostly have pre-jury stuff only so far. I haven't read any recent ones whatsoever. If you want to doubt my picks feel
free.
Mick is the traditional edgic edit. Shambo has a weird edit and is definitely eliminated. Evil Russel is unlikely to win and has too much negativity and lacks a cooldown episode. Liz/Ashley are long shots. Monica is eliminated for having a horrible edit for someone going to tc for the first time. her edit screams Erinn right out to me. Winner Pick: Mick. Liz/Ashley/Evil Russel for longshots. |
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garyw |
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Posts: 249 (10/10/09 8:30 AM) I don't take hints |
If Mick wins it will continue the boring male dominance:
Yul, Earl, Bob, JT. It is almost like to win Survivor there are two key requirements have a penis and no personality. |
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Posts: 249 (10/10/09 8:37 AM) Registered user |
For the record, Edgic winner choices thus far this season:
Episode 1 1. Betsy 2. Mick 3. Shambo 4. Ashley 5. Liz Episode 2 1. Mick 2. Jaison 3. Liz 4. Ashley 5. Shambo Episode 3 1. Mick 2. Ashley 3. Liz 4. Jaison 4. Shambo Maybe I'm dense, I don't see how spoilers could be influencing these choices at all. All the discussion and winner choices I've seen seem purely based on traditional guidelines and the edits we've been shown. Hell, the only people not eliminated by the INV Rule are Mick, Jaison, Shambo, Russell H, and Monica, and it's clear that all of them except Mick have some major flaws. Monica's edit is also an obvious dead duck, so the top four from here on out will be the first four I mentioned (unless they get an INV or are voted off). I could maybe see Erik or Natalie garnering support later on based on their big episodes this week, but that always happens when we run out of choices (Rafe, S16 Amanda, Corinne, etc). I personally will only be voting for members selected from those four from here on out. |
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Posts: 2653 (10/10/09 9:26 AM) Registered User |
Werwanderflugen wrote: No, you're not dense. If you go to other Sucks forums, you will quickly discover that "Edgic-bashing" is not uncommon (though on the flip side, the use of Edgic terminology and ratings is commonplace, so one can take that as a sort of backhanded compliment). To some posters, if Edgic gets it right, it's only because of spoilers. I think there are two fundamental choices: 1) Ignore the trolls. 2) Engage in pointless arguments / flame wars with posters that you're never going to convince. I've made my choice. |
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Posts: 2493 (10/10/09 9:35 AM) Registered user
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Edgic is like astrology. The true believers will keep their faith no matter what the evidence says. But for the unbiased, next season will reveal edgic to be
a joke like never before, since it's been spoiled already. So nobody will be able to defensively insist that "The spoilers just confirmed what we
knew all along."
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Posts: 1829 (10/10/09 9:43 AM) Registered User |
SwineForkbeard wrote:I wonder if astrology has as many detractors as edgic. You know, people whose raison d'etre is to prove, once and for all, that astrological predictions are affected by spoilers. |
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Posts: 5902 (10/10/09 10:20 AM) MESS member |
The problem I have with Mick is that he does not stand out and is not memorable even with his numbers. That's disturbing. I know I said the same thing
about both Stephen and JT last season at this time. That was until the merge, but Mick has overall higher airtime than Stephen and JT did so far. If you were
to name the main people on the show, Mick would be far from the top of the list.
Okay, I realized that paragraph made no sense. Despite Mick having more airtime than Stephen and JT, both Stephen and JT had MUCH bigger stories at this point in the season than Mick currently has. Mick really has NO story other than the fact that he saw RH's idol. On a good note, there's just not much to choose from. That's how horribly bad this season is. But since this is an atypical season which would clearly produce an atypical winner, Mick is too typical. Personally, if I were choosing someone, at this point, other than Mick, it would probably be Russell Swan. Sure he had an invisible, but again this is an atypical season. We need to look for a typical, atypical winner (whatever the hell that is). The editors are just doing our work for us because they are keeping people INV for extended periods of time. Even Bob was clear and present SIMPLY because he was shoved down our throats in episode 1 and was a stand out due to his age and his looks. He was also implicated in the Onion Alliance. Mick had a brief scene with RH that involved Mick seeing the idol. That seems odd and almost seems to be a foreshadowing of RH screwing over Mick. This is a crazy season because it's like there's no way to go and people are assuming Mick will win because they feel they have no other choice. That's the problem with giving one or two people (RH and Shambo) the complete story...if they leave we are left with nothing at all. That's what KILLED Guatamala! It also makes you appreciate Tocantins a little-despite the "Coach Show" they actually had a few other stories going on.
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Posts: 454 (10/10/09 10:38 AM) |
If you are looking for an atypical winner, Russell Swan does not seem like the greatest choice. He would have been portrayed far less as a bully this episode,
and far more as a victim who will flip to Foa Foa at the merge. Erik might fit the atypical winner mold, but his entire visibility this episode was about the
idol and how stupid his tribe is. The problem is that none of these people have long-term edits that also develop the character well enough to makes us want to
call them the winner. Mick is the only one with long-term manipulation (the lack of negativity on him as winner) and character development, albeit both are
weak.
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garyw |
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Posts: 251 (10/10/09 11:01 AM) I don't take hints |
I've stated this in another thread but does anyone think the editors will ever give us a winner with one INV episode. Ten out of fifteen left have had an
INV. Then we have our candidates and everyone of them have a flaw:
Russell - Too visible and negative Shambo - Too visible, too negativate, too stupid Monica - Too UTR, too Erinn Jaison - Whingy stating he will quit Mick - Too Marcus |
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Posts: 1870 (10/10/09 11:08 AM) Registered user |
Jedijake wrote: I think Mick's story has been about leadership, and the troubles of seeing his team fail. In Ep2 after Mike left and this past episode, there seemed to be a continuing theme in his confessionals regarding his team finally winning and coming back. There seems to be this huge buildup to Foa Foa finally winning (more than any other season in the past, because Ep 2 3 and 4 had a lot about Foa Foa trying to protect their numbers) when really they didn't have to make such a big deal about Foa Foa losing a lot--a win in Episode 4 really isn't that late (look at Fang, Ulong, Ravu etc who sucked even more ass) |
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Oowatanite |
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Posts: 8927 (10/10/09 11:12 AM) Registered User |
Ya know, the spec forum sure could use a moderator.
Also, please refrain from mentioning S20. |
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Posts: 1871 (10/10/09 11:14 AM) Registered user |
Let's just say the same thing is happening in edgic this season after the final 4 challenge was spoiled for Tocantins and everyone then changed their predictions to JT or Stephen when no one had JT as a top winner pick before that.That's absolute bullshit. Stephen was in the Top 1/2 pretty much the entire season, and come to merge (when Sierra went UTRN) he became number 1 and remained within the 70-percentile in winner votes the rest of the season. I read Spoiler Boards after the season is over and I don't think there were ever any spoilers regarding Stephen? I remember (I think craig) making a post in the S18 thing saying all people supporting JT around Episode 6 were cheating. There were only a few people (maybe like 5 of us) who thought JT might win, and we all had said things regarding JT around Episode 3/4 and then put him as number 1 before the recap (before any spoilers). JT also finally became CP in Episode 6 (and everyone had been saying if JT is a Tom, he will turn CP after all this pre-merge MOR, but if he turns OTTP then he's a Rupert) so people started putting him on their lists. That's not cheating--that's edgic. RedWing is right, some people just don't like Edgic and think it's silly, so they use anything to state that edgic is cheating/invalid/etc because it's not "concrete" enough for them, but since when are Spoilers ever concrete? I'm sure there have been more false spoilers than wrong edgic picks. OK let's stop talking about spoilers, we're going to scare people off. I don't want any of these spoiler posters to slip up and ruin it for myself and others. ETA: Thanks Oo! |
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Posts: 732 (10/10/09 11:51 AM) Registered user |
One thing about Mick and the leadership role, I found it weird that after Foa Foa's first Immunity win they didnt give them a short celebration bit since
this was a big moment for them.
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Posts: 1872 (10/10/09 11:56 AM) Registered user |
SFC wrote: Well the last couple episodes have been an IC/RC combination, so there's more time after the IC for scenes. This time there was an RC and an IC so there was no time to show the other tribe, especially with a tribe of 10 people who have been ignored the entire show so far--they needed to show Galu (for once). |
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guatemala fanfic |
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Posts: 5305 (10/10/09 12:03 PM) |
BlakeB717 wrote:Yeah, the only thing is they could have given Mick (or Ashley or anyone) the confessional at the very end of the Immunity Challenge talking about how Foa Foa finally won. That confessional went to Russell S. where he basically said Monica sucked. Then they repeated that exact same thing at the beginning of Galu's scene, so they didn't need it twice. The opportunity was there for someone from Foa Foa to get something. ETA: And Ashley had a great clip on insider about winning the challenge (as did Jaison). Had they inserted a confessional in from her, she probably would have gone up very high on winner's lists. Instead she was INV while Russell S got a duplicate confessional. |
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Posts: 16234 (10/10/09 12:19 PM) Registered User |
I've stated this in another thread but does anyone think the editors will ever give us a winner with one INV episode. Ten out of fifteen left have had an INV. Then we have our candidates and everyone of them have a flaw:Some of us are open to bending that rule in special circumstances (Rafe S11, Corinne S17). Problem is, there is nobody with an otherwise good edit marred by one INV except possibly Good Russell. Liz - already low Vis episode 1, opening comment all about racism.. Ashley - she was decoy boot twice, it bothers me they`d elevate Natalie-Russell deal over he. (like Alxis being eclipsed by already eliminated Catalie in S16). People comparing Monica to Erinn - you know that means she has one of 3 best remaining edits, and will last deep into the endgame, lol. |
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garyw |
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Posts: 252 (10/10/09 12:23 PM) I don't take hints |
Catalie love
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