Oowatanite wrote:
LKMOSCAR wrote:
80% P and 20% neutral.
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I agree ........
flf, please ...............
I just love your bitchiness!
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WhoLetTheBlTCHout |
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Oowatanite wrote: I just love your bitchiness!
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GoHomeAndEatYoRice |
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You really don't take hints, do you?
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augustus713 |
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I know a lot of people have eliminated Evil Russell due to his high visibility. One thing I think should be noted is that in no other season has so many
players received UTR1 and INVs, so the the high visibility for the players who are being shown is partly due to that.
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twisted1982 |
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If people are looking at Monica as possible Type 2 winner despite having low visibility, shouldn't we also look at people with very high visibilty as
possible winners?
Obviously, some people are not seeing the middle ground and look at the extreme (Monica), don't you think it's also right to look at the other end of the extreme (Russell H.)? |
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getting real |
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augustus713 wrote:High visibility is one thing; the problem is that he is not hidden by anyone or anything: there are no distractions bigger than himself out there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the basic tenet of Edgic theory is that the winner will be concealed by others coming into the merge. |
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Warrior |
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Congrats Eliza !!
No spreadsheet yet... |
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fat little fingers |
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No spreadsheet yet... Phoenix, your spreadsheet email didn't have the spreadsheet attached! (Yeah, I do that all the time. lol) |
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EOrlins |
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Warrior wrote:THANKS!!! :) |
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augustus713 |
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getting real wrote:That's true in the first episode, but Ben in ep2/3, Yasmin in ep 2 and Jaison in ep 3 have been far bigger distractions than Russell. Copying the guidelines from the front page: Observations (In new order)Of course, almost all of this applies to most of Foa as well, but my point is Russell shouldn't be eliminated. Nobody should really be eliminated on Foa except Natalie. |
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fat little fingers |
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Hey, New York Public Defender!
You still make time to visit crazy ol' Edgic. Congrats, Eliza! :D |
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9RedWing19 |
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panurge46 wrote:Just catching up on things, and noticed this comment. I have become increasingly skeptical of attaching a lot of significance to specific scenes as "proving" that a contestant is not the winner. For example, in S17 there was a pre-TC scene of the Onions all plotting together while Bob was shown sleeping in the hut in the background. It was used by some as "evidence" that Bob was not the winner. |
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cindidindi76 |
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Hey guys, since Russell is getting so much airtime, why don't we just throw all the rules and guidelines out the window and just have all our winner picks
just be our favorite person? Jaison FTW!
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Katy Carney |
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^ i love that plan. GO ERIK/ASHLEY/YASMIN
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getting real |
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9RedWing19 wrote: Everything in context, Redwing. It became abundantly clear that plotting and strategy were anathema to winning that series. Cut to Corinne's strategic predictions constantly shown to be wrong, plotting by Marcus, Randy, Ace, Ken crashing spectacularly.... That scene of Bob sleeping had its spectacular payoff in his TC answer that he didn't need strategy to win. And that, along with teamwork, was a major theme of the season. |
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SurvivorGuy24 |
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cindidindi76 wrote: How would that be any different from the usual edgic approach? |
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9RedWing19 |
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getting real wrote:Things are clear at the end of the season when we know who won, and why. But if one accepts that Edgic's goal is to predict the winner by the merge, we can't count on knowing the outcome to guide us on what clues are "real" and which are misdirection. It may be true that this season's theme is leadership - it's certainly a plausible scenario. But it's still only a scenario at this point. I remember before the S13 finale, somebody wrote a long, well-reasoned analysis of the editing that clearly demonstrated that Ozzie was the winner. It was very persuasive (and I'm not being sarcastic here) and unfortunately it was wrong. IMO, we must always remember that the editors know who wins, and part of their job is to have some uncertainty about the winner right up to the time that JP starts reading the final TC votes (how many people guessed that JT would shut-out Stephen, for example). |
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fat little fingers |
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augustus713
5) Over the course of the game the winner's presence and visibility should end up closer to the average of all the players. (The winner typically gravitates to near the top in MOR differential, which calculates the closeness to average in presence, tone and ratings). - As I said previously, I'm throwing this one out the window, because almost everyone on Foa have high visibility and almost everyone on Galu hasI like your using the guidelines to structure your argument, but I think you have some misunderstanding of the MOR differential. There is no need for the edits to be evenly distributed for the MORD guideline to work. In fact you've used the MORD when you argued that, "Ben in ep2/3, Yasmin in ep 2 and Jaison in ep 3 have been far bigger distractions than Russell." If true, then this demonstrates the process of a character moving toward the MORD. I would argue, though, that a 5 visibility this ep has Evil Russ' MORD climbing into the stratosphere. Even if you argued for a realignment of the 1-5 ratings to make Russ a Vis 3 instead of a 5, there still would be no one higher than a Vis 3 in the entire cast. RusselH could win. Monica could win. Anybody could win. But, to argue that requires simply saying, "I don't think the use of past patterns matters. It's probably going to be something unique this season." Well, maybe, but that certainly doesn't hold for the large majority of past seasons. That doesn't mean that we always get it right, (hardly), but that the winners do fall into at least some of the expected guidelines. I'd say that there probably isn't going to ever be a season that applies all the guidelines. They're simply a compilation of past observed patterns that emerged from the seasons over time. The show has changed with the years and the guidelines have been modified or dropped to reflect those changes. Long story short: Expect a more traditional winner than one with no past editing patterns. Evil Russ is great TV, a great villain for the season, and probably destined to lose. Somewhere around the merge or immediately after it, the winner's story will take shape. And an alternate winner story will be there as well just to drive us nuts. Vee got lots of TC questions. JennaM made an early big strategic move on the reward trip. Danni was the little story behind the big story of uber-heroine Stephame's loss. Bob had a big Ep1 that intro'd him as the great new Yau Man. All were probably hopeless seasons for Edgic, but going over them afterwards shows that there were clues in the edit (except Danni). But, the best bet on the table is the one for a more traditional edit. |
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Jedijake |
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Ah Danni-what an enigma! They really could have built her up throughout the season, leading to her pact with Rafe. She could have been the damsel in distress
who actually won as the sweetheart that actually got a story.
Instead, her pact with Rafe WAS her story and it was the first time they showed her do anything. |
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fat little fingers |
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Okay, last act before East Coast beddy-by...
Close Call Pronouncement Whatever I choose will annoy some group. Just mark your own chart if you keep one and don't sweat the Official Edgic Chart for All-Time. The arguments here for Liz are pretty damn thin. I mean, the lady was a UTR1. Since none of the Bikini Team got their N (that was hammered home in every male commenting about the ladies and their need for comfort and not-a-single female commenting), I can hardly give a tone to Liz's SPV from Shambo, who schmoozed with nearly all the Foa Foans. Elizabeth UTR1 (neutral) |
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panurge46 |
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9RedWing19 wrote: Red Wing, I didn't mean the comment as proof that Mick doesn't win. On the other hand, it wasn't only 1 scene. Mick's story doesn't look promising to me as he seems set up to walk into RussHell's trap as soon as the "Boss" decides it's his time. It's not even a question of creating doubt for him because he told us that being straightforward and honest will be his downfall. |
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