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PostnumberZERO |
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to this day I'm still bitter that the final 4 combined got the most money out of any final 4 season even though almost every player played like a dumbass
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tullfan2 |
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PostnumberZERO wrote: No the final 4 of All Stars got the most. I know that the All Stars runner up got $250K rather than $100K. All the pay outs, other than the winner were upped. Tina Wesson received $25K rather than $2500 which is what the first boot usually receives. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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I guess that is worth a mention too, about the $$$. Survivor should have all that sort of stuff thought up relatively early on if you ask me.
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DarrahColleenJerri |
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What do you mean?
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Cyberball2072 |
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just that the dollar reimbursement thing should have been well, I was going to say be more public so we know they are not above criticism but they did go
public so I guess it was nothing.
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jsundqui |
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I strongly disagree with Cyberball2072. I just don't see the jury siding
for Brandon over Kelly. Kelly had absolutely no other choice but to target Lex at F9 and I am sure Lex would understand that and not hold it against her.
The F9/F8 episodes had so much potential with the possibility of overthrowing Boran alliance. I can't see anything like that happening with the current seasons as the players are much more careful to secure that their alliance has the majority. Boran deliberately gave up their majority two times in a row!
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Cyberball2072 |
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I guess we have to agree to disagree then.
When you look at how Lex could do what he did to Colby and Ethan and even Jerri during ALL STARS, and then to act the way he did when Rob M essentially did not come thru for him; and when you look at how Lex conducted himself in post ALL STARS intereviews, vowing revenge and hatred against Rob M, I just don't see how Lex could "let it go" if Kelly had "betrayed" him and taken him out on day 24, ending his chances at winning survivor and all of that. Not only do I think Lex would be the worst loser ever, but I am 100% that he would do his best while back in the Juror's lodge, that he would do EVERYTHING in his power to turn things against Kelly. I don't think he would even ask Kelly a question as a Juror, his speech would be 100% bitter, hatefilled and anti-Kelly. Any attempt Kelly made to point out that Lex targetted her and flat out told her and she had no other choice but to make a deal with the Samburu's to survive, it might work on Tom/KJ/Ethan, but it would fall on deaf ears with Lex. My two cents- Lex votes for Brandon and does his best to get as many as he can to vote against Kelly as well. Maybe it works, maybe not. |
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jsundqui |
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Lex was furious in All Stars because Rob broke his promise to him. I don't think that Kelly made a similar promise in Africa or at least the promise was
invalidated as soon as Lex targetted Kelly. However I admit it is *possible* that Lex would want revenge on Kelly, maybe I gave him too much credit lol.
However, I can easily see Lex ending up alone with his revenge, with the only votes for Brandon being Lex and Kim P. and even Kim P. is not 100% given. So like
you said it depends how well Lex can convince the other jurors and I just don't see them going along with his personal revenge.
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DarrahColleenJerri |
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Oh God don't even bother trying to convince him/her it's a lost cause.
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Cyberball2072 |
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I understand what you are saying, but I do believe Lex is the ultimate bad loser. I believe, even if in Kelly's opening statement she mentioned how Lex
told her she was going, that she tried talking to Tom/KJ/EZ and she could tell that they were going to vote for her regardless, and that is the ONLY reason why
she voted out Lex.......
Even if Kelly said that in her opening statement (which she almost certainly would), it might work vs EZ/Tom/KJ. It would NOT work vs Lex. Lex would probably deny ever telling Kelly that, that he wanted to blindside her. And Lex might even say it, at the time of Final Tribal Council was filmed, might flat out lie and say he NEVER told her she was getting voted out, all to try to keep Kelly from winning. I think he was delusional enough in his rage to deny ever saying it at the time of Final TC; and would at the reunion admit he lied. Kelly did promise to Lex on her parents and brother that she had nothing to do with the vote against Lex. I think in Lex's mind, that was a promise to be loyal to him and would cite that as his reasoning for being anti-Kelly. As to how any of this would work against EZ/KJ/TOM, we will never really know. EZ did seem to acquiese to Lex a lot out there, deferring to him a lot. EZ would certainly feel that Kelly "betrayed the team" and that might be a pivotal reason for him to vote Brandon. That plus Lex working behind the scenes, telling EZ that he never told Kelly they were turning on her, and how she betrayed them on her own I just don't see EZ voting Brandon. KJ would be less certain I think. A lot depends on Kelly's final TC performance and if her and Brandon got some time to bond/mesh. Tom I think would be 50/50 to vote for Kelly/Brandon depending on their final TC, if Lex could get tripped up by Kelly in what would be all out war in their jury questioning. Frank would probably vote Kelly, but you never really know. Maybe he would be swayed by Kelly's call for Boran solidarity (which I think she would do) and vote Brandon, but it is a stretch. I see Kim P voting Brandon, but it would not be anti-Kelly at all. Depends on how Kim P was taken out of the game. Again, we will never know. |
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dontkilloffcharlie |
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brandon may have been retarded. but yall need to stop acting like hes the only retarded player in survivor history. i could name 50 other players just as dumb.
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Edinboro |
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Do it.
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Mypoody2 |
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jhaphet wrote: |
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Bubba4life |
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beatles20147 wrote: To be fair... Kelly Goldsmith really blew it by not exploiting Mall Rat alliance and take out remaining Boran Boys during premerge. She literally had nothing in common with Lex and Big Tom. Aside from Brandon, Kelly made the biggest blunder in the game. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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So your saying Kelly should have, if she realized she had more in common with Lindsey/Brandon/Kim P, should have thrown both Immunity Challenges and voted out
Lex and Tom on day's 15 and 18?
That was definitely taking a risk to be sure. If they had lost on day 15 it would have been a feasible strategy, to vote out Lex on day 15, tom on day 18 and count on Silas/Clarence coming back to the fold right away....... I won't deny that I firmly believe that Survivor has a target audience marketeers on their staff and that they were telling Mark Burnett that this Mall Rat alliance would lose them older viewers of the show. And as a result, the switch of Season 3 was done primariliy to break that up. I personally would have very little problem believing that, as I am convinced that there probably was some sort of manipulation of Season 1 to ensure that Stacey's ORIGINAL alliance of herself/Sean/Kelly/Dirk would not do what they wanted to do. |
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Bubba4life |
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Cyberball2072 wrote: That would have been a brilliant strategy. Unfortuantely, Kelly still follow the rule from previous two seasons. |
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WylDawg |
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To this day I still think it was a personal move, not a strategic one. Brandon just wanted to fuck over Frank even if it meant tanking his own game. He thought
MAYBE if he was lucky he'd get 5th place, but he knew damn well it was best to stick with the Samburus.
Of course to save face he keeps justifying it by saying Kelly was such a threat. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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What Whydawg said!!!
Basically I think Brandon hated what Frank was to him in real life that to him, thwarting any chance had at winning was more important then winning the game itself. Which is sad because had Brandon put his personal issues aside I would have told him the ULTIMATE victory to prove himself over Frank, well there were several different things he could have done to do this.... 5) Even if taking out Lex led to Frank going farther in the game then Brandon, Brandon would have always been viewed as one of the great players ever for making it happen. 4) Brandon takes out Lex AND gets farther in the game then Frank did....again, Brandon wins because he is viewed as the one that made things happen. 3) Brandon makes it to the final two vs Kelly/Kim P/T-Bird and loses and Frank did not vote for him....again, this would be a win because Brandon made it as far as he did, and is still viewed as the player that made things happen. 2) Brandon makes it to the final two and wins vs Kelly/KimP/T-Bird- Brandon not only wins the game of Survivor, but if Frank voted against him, Brandon would look ever better for it. And the ultimate scenario for Brandon...... ***Brandon wins the game of Survivor against Frank with the Jury voting brandon. No matter what the final vote was, this would have been the ultimate victory for Brandon in his 'war' against Frank. Instead, I think we have to say that Frank won the war instead. Frank outlasted Brandon, Frank voted for the winner while Brandon did not; Frank showed he would work with Brandon to get further into the game whereas Brandon did not. Overall, I think Frank if this were a war between what Frank stood for vs what Brandon stood for, that Frank clearly prevailed over Brandon. |
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Bubba4life |
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Lex would definitely not vote for Frank under any circumstance.
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Cyberball2072 |
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Lex would vote for Frank if Kelly was sitting next to him.
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