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AbbyGirl wrote:

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Anyone think Ben could be either the F2 loser or the next Brian type winner?

Nope. Brian was a world-class jerk, but he kept that, uh, attribute of his personality hidden. People genuinely liked him. He never dissed people publicly or talked trash - at least to other survivors face-to-face. He was perhaps the most cold-blooded player ever, even keeping his head in the game when stumbling drunk. Ben has already exhibited open trash-talk and dissing. If he wins he won't be in a Brian category (he was the rare winner who people admitted at the reunion show wouldn't have gotten their vote if they knew what an ass he was).

SurvivorGuy24 wrote:

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Just like anyone shown to be as likeable and heroic as J.T. could never be a viable Edgic winner pick. Oops.

There's only one question you need to ask when picking a winner:

"If _____ won, what kind of edit would they get?"

Because Russell would not get the same edit as J.T. or Danni or Bob. And right now, Russell's edit looks pretty decent. Evil but shrewd. I wouldn't say he's my top pick, but definitely in the top 5 and NO WAY would I eliminate him just yet.

Damn - just lost a long post. Suffice to say - Edgic doesn't consider traits like heroic or likeable (Tom and Ethan negate this view anyway). You can have winners who are heroic, jerky, non-likeable, naive, nice... whatever. Their edits should conform to edgic's guidelines. Russell's doesn't. We've had winners who were jerks, snakes, lucky, nice, honorable, smart, and the least-awful choice. Edgic has nothing to say about these traits, other than they're not edited as too much of any of them (too much OTT, in other words)

"If __won, what kind of edit would they get" is interesting, but not part of edgic. Russell's first-ep edit was far outside the edgic guidelines. The thing is, I tend to agree with you - if Russell wins, this is likely how they'd show him if he really skated through the whole season as a pile of sh!t.

But - and this is key - such a win would mean that edgic failed. Edgic itself determines a winner's edit, not the personality or strategy of the winner. That's the whole point of edgic. Yes, it fails sometimes, and a Russell win after this first episode would be as non-edgic as Bob's - in a completely yin-yang way.

If we keep edgic's guidelines in mind, Russell's first-ep edit was definitely not decent. And so far I haven't heard any edgic-based arguments to support Russell winning. Mentioning Danni and Bob (JT's edit was easily within the edgic guidelines) to support a pick is not exactly something to garner much support here - they were the classic edgic failures. So in a sense you're saying what I said earlier - a Russell win makes sense only if edgic fails.