If Jordan beats Kevin in HoH, will she be smart enough to take Gnat to F2?

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Delores Mulva		#161	[-]
Posts: 378 (09/14/09 4:17 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Michele is going to vote for Jordan before she votes for Natalie. Nat not only piled abuse on Michele in the house, she's also been a worse player than Jordan. It doesn't matter if Michele is a bitter juror or a rational juror, she'd vote for Jordan. I think that's why Russ would also vote for Jordan. From what he's said in the jury house, he's going to vote for the best player. If Jordan makes the finals with Nat, you have someone who was HoH, won a veto, and who won two consecutive challenges (including one head-to-head with Natalie) to reach the finals, versus one HoH win for Nat. What would Natalie bring up to counter that and win Russ's vote, that she came up with a really killer lie that got Russ booted?
James Barber		#162	[-]
Posts: 19982 (09/14/09 4:26 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not sure if Russell would care that much about Jordan's comp wins, especially the first two. I think Jordan will have to say more to the jury because all they need to do is remember how bad Natalie has been at comps to not think winning over her is a big feat. I think Jordan would have to tell him he was a strong competitor and that's why he had to go. If she tells him he wasn't trustworthy and Jeff was right, then he might not vote for her.
Delores Mulva		#163	[-]
Posts: 379 (09/14/09 7:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: I think Jordan will have to say more to the jury because all they need to do is remember how bad Natalie has been at comps to not think winning over her is a big feat. But if the hypothetical is Jordan versus Natalie, why would the jury pick Natalie on the basis of gameplay? Any knock you can make against Jordan applies even more so to Natalie. That's why the head-to-head matters - Natalie had a chance to prove she was better than Jordan at something, and she failed miserably.
James Barber		#164	[-]
Posts: 19985 (09/14/09 7:16 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Natalie got people to trust her and keep her around over their own alliance even though they had no reason to believe a word from her. Natalie got Jordan to trust her so much that Jordan took her to F2. Jordan's gameplay consisted of being on the outside of what was going on, then when she did get power, breaking up her alliance to help Natalie and Kevin. Jordan will be the person who got to the F2 only because of comps. Natalie will be the person who got there in spite of them.
moviegirl11		#165	[-]
Posts: 2692 (09/14/09 7:19 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think if Jordan credits herself for her loyalty in the game, that could help her win over the jury. I have a feeling people like Lydia and Russell aren't going to want to vote for Natalie but they'd need a reason to vote for Jordan. If Jordan makes the argument that it was her strategy to play the game loyally and that she won some key competitions that might help. The HGs probably fill each other in on certain things in the jury house but in the end it's less about what really happened and more about how each of the final two contestants present themselves. I'm still convinced if Natalie goes to the end she'll lose at least one vote by claiming too much credit and/or rubbing the jury's defeat in their face with some offhand comment.
James Barber		#166	[-]
Posts: 19986 (09/14/09 7:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Loyalty could work, but Michele and Russell might end up asking, "Loyalty to who?"
bhilliard		#167	[-]
Posts: 257 (09/14/09 7:38 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	When the Jurors were watching the tape of the competition Kevin won for HOH, the remark was made about Natalie not trying to win, and that she was just skating by once again. I don't think Jessie is even going to vote for Natalie.
moviegirl11		#168	[-]
Posts: 2693 (09/14/09 7:40 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: Loyalty could work, but Michele and Russell might end up asking, "Loyalty to who?" All the people who were evicted pre-jury. LOL. Mostly what I mean is she can use the "I stuck to my word" argument without getting called out, right? The reason she's still around isn't just because people were constantly aiming for stronger targets (that's the reason all three finalists are still in the house) but also because with Jordan, they knew where she stood. There was absolutely nothing shady about her. Her game was right up front the whole time when other people in the house (Michele, Russell, Ronnie, etc) had shifting loyalties. If she can find a way to get the jury to see that as strategy, she can win.
James Barber		#169	[-]
Posts: 19987 (09/14/09 7:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I see what you're saying, but I think she has played so much as herself she may struggle to sell strategy. I hope she does sell something because I'm just trying to convince myself she isn't going to go to F2 like Natalie is her best friend and she just hopes people will vote for her because she's a good person or that she made all these great moves with Jeff and she hopes those moves against the bad people will help the jury vote for her.
moviegirl11		#170	[-]
Posts: 2694 (09/14/09 8:06 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I feel like people have used the "I had to play the game as myself and stick to my word because I'm not a good liar" argument in the past... if not in the final two then in post-eviction interviews. It's sort of a "I'm just playing the cards I was dealt" defense. I'm not going to get my hopes up that she's going to go out there guns blazing with this amazing argument as to why she should win. I guess I just have my fingers crossed that when she gets asked the tough questions, she answers them with charm and honesty enough to satisfy the jury. That added to Natalie being at her worst when backed into a corner could be enough to get Jordan the votes she needs.
visa18		#171	[-]
Posts: 1542 (09/14/09 8:31 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that Jordan's best chance of winning is to have Kevin win the final HoH and backstab Natalie. Here's how I would see the votes going down: For Kevin to win: Lydia For Jordan to win: America, Jeff, Michelle, Natalie (b/c she is pissed at Kevin, who just voted her out 2 seconds ago) Swing Votes: Jessie and Russell - Jessie was pissed at Kevin when he left, but as much as I hate him, I think he will vote for who he feels played the best game. Russell...same thing. He may not want either to win, so who will he pick??? If Jordan votes Natalie out, then Nat's vote goes to Kevin and Kevin could win if Jessie and Russell go with Kevin. So actually, Jordan losing the F2 HoH comp could be a good thing...as long as Kevin actually votes Nat out!
Bubba4life		#172	[-]
Posts: 816 (09/14/09 12:46 PM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Everyone has their own gameplay... it is up to determine which gameplay we like better. Jordan's gameplay is akin to Amber 2.0
bobo1759		#173	[-]
Posts: 510 (09/14/09 1:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jordan's game play as Amber 2.0 is an excellent analogy. Of course Jordan will take Natalie. I'm sure the DR will push her that way since they know that she has a better chance of winning that way. I still think that Natalie would win. I can't see anyone but Jeff, America, and possibly Michele willing to give Jordan any credit for playing a good game. Natalie stands a better chance of losing against Kevin who I hope wins the final comp. For all those Natalie haters who just want to see her go down in flames, wouldn't you rather see that outcome? If Natalie isn't taken to the final two she will be going through the rest of her life saying that she should have and would have won the game but was betrayed by Kevin (or Jordan if that's the case).
James Barber		#174	[-]
Posts: 19998 (09/14/09 1:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I actually thought Amber played a pretty good strategic game. She never let her emotions flare up and she was a good match with Rob (I don't believe JJ were a good match in the game -- at least not in strategy). They also knew the right people to cut, in the right order. They were such an obvious pair yet no one broke them up. I haven't seen that so much with Jordan. If Amber had to win comps to get to F2, maybe.
bobo1759		#175	[-]
Posts: 511 (09/14/09 1:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was thinking of BB8 Amber who had no game and just let her feelings guide her along.
James Barber		#176	[-]
Posts: 20003 (09/14/09 1:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, I thought people meant the Amber who won.
Riff		#177	[-]
Posts: 3649 (09/14/09 3:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Delores Mulva wrote: I think that's why Russ would also vote for Jordan. From what he's said in the jury house, he's going to vote for the best player. If Jordan makes the finals with Nat, you have someone who was HoH, won a veto, and who won two consecutive challenges (including one head-to-head with Natalie) to reach the finals, versus one HoH win for Nat. What would Natalie bring up to counter that and win Russ's vote, that she came up with a really killer lie that got Russ booted? Jordan physically assaulted Russell in a hillbilly rage with her busted implants, told him she would stab him if he betrayed her (and when he told her you can't make jokes like that on the show, repeated over and over again that she wasn't joking, she was dead serious; she would stab him) and left him an abusive goodbye message. On what planet does any of that make her a better player than Natalie? Unicornus? I can't believe I have to, like, actually argue things like this on here. Maybe if the Final 2 were Chima and Jordan, Jordan would get Russell's vote. And even then.
visa18		#178	[-]
Posts: 1543 (09/14/09 4:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Riff wrote: Jordan physically assaulted Russell in a hillbilly rage with her busted implants, told him she would stab him if he betrayed her (and when he told her you can't make jokes like that on the show, repeated over and over again that she wasn't joking, she was dead serious; she would stab him) and left him an abusive goodbye message. On what planet does any of that make her a better player than Natalie? Unicornus? I can't believe I have to, like, actually argue things like this on here. Maybe if the Final 2 were Chima and Jordan, Jordan would get Russell's vote. And even then. 1st of all, not sure if you saw the part of the show where Russell went around and yelled at everyone and tried to intimidate them into doing what he wanted, but it happend a few times (oh, like every episode). Turns out, that was his strategy, so he would probably respect Jordan for the verbal assult, much in the same way he thought yelling screaming, threatening, etc...were smart stratigic moves. Secondly, I am not sure I would call Jordan's chest bump into one of the most fit players in the house as a "physical assult". That is REALLY stretching it. Add to all this the fact that Natalie is a hateful, stupid bitch (unrelated, but true).
Riff		#179	[-]
Posts: 3653 (09/14/09 6:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	visa18 wrote: 1st of all, not sure if you saw the part of the show where Russell went around and yelled at everyone and tried to intimidate them into doing what he wanted, but it happend a few times (oh, like every episode). Turns out, that was his strategy, so he would probably respect Jordan for the verbal assult, much in the same way he thought yelling screaming, threatening, etc...were smart stratigic moves. Add to all this the fact that Natalie is a hateful, stupid bitch (unrelated, but true). Russell didn't make death threats against the other players. (He was appalled that she made them, though.) He also didn't put his hands (or his boobs) on the other players. And he didn't leave cunty goodbye messages to anyone evicted before him. Natalie wasn't a hateful, stupid bitch to him. Anything else?
Blueberry.celebprowresting		#180	[-]
Posts: 1196 (09/14/09 6:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Riff completes me<33333

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