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kdo2 |
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Partial birth abortion. That IS murder. It is sickening that someone would even condone shit like that. Especially our fucking President.
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Visa Declined |
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what if child birth would kill the mother....still murder? What if the baby is born without a brain? Still murder? Sometimes life is more complicated than a
bumper sticker.
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NakedWench |
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there is a cap to assistance and there's welfare-to-work.
and it's ridiculous to feign moral outrage over government assistance in an argument over abortion.
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05/31/09 9:50 PM.
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Charming Nemesis |
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Visa Declined wrote:Of the 1 million+ abortions a year, I'm sure those are a very small fraction of the total. But it's a very popular argument. |
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thecolbster |
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How many late-term partial birth abortions are conducted in a year? Maybe 5?
Please don't excuse that number from getting your collective panties in a bunch. By the way, why is it that so many anti-abortion protesters/shooters tend to be older white lonely men? |
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Minkster1973 |
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NakedWench wrote: The cap you speak of is for adults, not the children of the adults that are taking advantage of the system. Still, the more children you have, the higher the check. It's not enough for the lifestyle my family has grown accustomed. The government does not say, "Mrs. Smith, you are physically able to go out and get a job so you'd better do it because we're cutting off food stamps, cash assistance, and healthcare for your three children starting July 1." All they do is lower the percentage of the benefit regarding adult members in the household. They do not cut the children off. Do I think they should cut the kids off? It's not the fault of the children that their parents are lazy and unwilling to take advantage of free education and welfare-to-work programs. |
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loveski |
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nvm
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05/31/09 9:56 PM.
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Minkster1973 |
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NakedWench wrote: When poverty is used as an excuse for abortion, it's only obvious the conversation would turn in that direction. |
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DelosWorld |
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This guy was a Deacon in a Lutheran Church? I doubt it was a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.
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meatball77 |
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Minkster1973 wrote: I don't think that there are really that many people that have children with the goal of getting more welfare benefits. It's a whole lot harder to milk the system than it was (those who do milk the system do it through social security like octomom). It's more that they were brought up in a society that says that it's cool to be a "young mom" and there is nothing wrong with teen pregnancy or getting help if you need it, and these women aren't just mooching off the government so they can get their free cheese and peanutbutter, they're also mooching off their parents for free childcare and rent because that's how their society works, they're not having kids for the benefits they just don't see a reason to not have kids because they can't afford them, if they want kids then they deserve to have them, that there never will be a "perfect time" to have a child. Part of the problem with the cycle is that it's so difficult for an uneducated/untrained mother to get out of poverty. How do you go to school and feed your child? School during the day and working at night? Who watches the kid when you do that? How much does that cost and how do you afford anything when you do that? We still haven't taught our young people that pregnancy at a young age is a bad thing. Bristol Palin gets pregnant and it's celebrated that she made the good choice to have the baby. And then the message is "well, you'd never have sex if you knew how hard babies are", well that's absurd also because if she'd married the hick boyfriend after graduation and gotten pregnant right away it still would be a disaster because if and when they broke up she wouldn't have the ability to support herself or the kid. |
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Visa Declined |
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I was referring to kdo's comment about partial birth abortions being murder. The idea that women are killing practically full term babies is ridiculous...it just doesn't happen. The only reason I am pro-choice is that I dont think the government should make this very personal decision. I find the million + abortions appalling but the answer isnt government regulating women's uterus's'. |
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DelosWorld |
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Both of my cousin's kids got knocked up after high school. They accepted responsibility and are raising their progeny as single mothers but they do both
get state aid. Not so sure about Federal aid. I guess I could bring up the subject next Christmas and ask.
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Charming Nemesis |
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HaroldBalzaccio |
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Has anybody posted Harlequin Fetus yet, and has TarasMommy gotten involved?
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Minkster1973 |
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meatball77 wrote: Well, I see clients everyday who milk the system. I actually have a client right now who's parents pull into our parking lot three days per week in a large, black Hummer. Nice. You do realize that people like Octomom, who are diagnosed with mental health disorders and are receiving some kind of disability are also automatically considered for foodstamps and healthcare benefits, right? I agree that it's difficult to get out of the welfare cycle. I know it because I've been there. When my marriage ended I didn't make enough money to pay all the bills. Then my position was eliminated and I was left without a job and my family wasn't able to take me and my son in. I put my pride aside, signed up for welfare, researched welfare-to-work, pushed and pushed to get involved even though I was far over-qualified for the 'classes', and did it all while allowing the state to pay for my childcare. It took me a year and a half, but it can be done. It's not easy. No one ever promised life would be easy. |
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Visa Declined |
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How many of the 1,032 involved healthy mothers and viable fetuses? Zero.
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meatball77 |
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kdo2 wrote: Did you read the article I posted earlier? It details one womans experience with the partial birth abortion that she had because her baby had a spine that didn't close properly and had major major brain damage and at best would be a vegetable with no quality of life if it did live at all. The procedure was extremely painful and agonizing for her but was the most humane thing to do for both the child and for her. She goes on to talk about some of the other cases her Dr handled, a set of conjoined twins that only had one set of lungs, a fetus with a three chambered heart. Is it really more humane to force those women to go to term and then watch their child suffer and die when the child has a medical problem that is incompatable with life? In case you missed it. http://www.boston.com/new...5/my_late_term_abortion/ |
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Kym |
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This thread has grown a wee bit since this mornin .
Interesting points made all around . My personal thoughts are this.......I could never ever get an abortion . Verra pro-adoption . We adopted our youngest child . Carry on with the convo cuz thats all I got ......for now ;) oh and a ps. not shocked one way or the other that a Fundie killed that man . Jesus left the church a verra long time ago . |
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jamesriver |
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Just a factual question -- what's the current legal status of partial-birth abortion? I thought they were banned a few years back except in select
circumstances, and SCOTUS upheld the law in a 5-4 decision.
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Lila Fowler |
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aborted babies could've saved Superman.
so there. * Don't want to start a thread for it, but it must be said: NO ONE buys John fucking Travolta as a villain * |
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